Loss of salvation???

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Genez said:
It says if we hold a malicious anger towards a brother we have murdered.



You hate that. Don't you?

Stop murdering the truth, please.

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I agree.

As to the word MURDER...
in English it could mean something other....
(the test was murder)

In other languages (at least the ones I know) it could only mean TO KILL ANOTHER PERSON.

This is also why it's not so easy to understand scripture....
it's necessary to know HOW words were used in the time of Jesus.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
So you basically said that is a true statement and then said it wasn’t? You either believe faith in Him and His work saves us or it doesn’t. Eph 2:8-9

Anyhow what are we saved from through faith in Him and His work?
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To HELL THEY go, why did JESUS send these fokes to hell, they had faith and was working for HIM.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
CrystalAnkles said:
HiH is a moderator. Which one is anyone's guess.
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It should say that under his avatar.
There are reasons why it may not..makes no difference to me.
And there's no reason to be secretive about it.
I happen to post in a very particular way and persons that know me know that it's me
even if I didn't use my same avatar. (which I do)
Plus it sounds like we might have had some fun here...
Funny fun...I like to be serious about theology,,,
but having a little fun is also good.
Nice to meet you!
 
Just_A__Follower said:
I love that verse. Notice how He said if you love me, not if you want eternal life. Also His order of love then obedience with love being the motivation for the obedience.
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You really want to discuss this?
The word MUST annoys you?
You MUST obey your wife....
whether you want to believe it or not.
whether you want to or now.

IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS.

or

YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS IF YOU LOVE ME.


The IF is conditional.
It creates a condition.

The condition is OBEY IF LOVE

There are members on Forums that state that they love God
then they proceed to spew hate and state that it's NOT NECESSARY to do good works.
They proudly state that good works AFTER salvation do not save and are not a CONDITON to salvation when
Jesus and Paul clearly teach that it is.

Do they love God?
Are they obeying God?

Nothing with the word MUST JAF.
It might just wake some up.

So what do YOU believe?
Can we forfeit our salvation?
Those that do not like the word MUST usually believe in OSAS.
 
Toknow said:
It should say that under his avatar.
There are reasons why it may not..makes no difference to me.
And there's no reason to be secretive about it.
I happen to post in a very particular way and persons that know me know that it's me
even if I didn't use my same avatar. (which I do)
Plus it sounds like we might have had some fun here...
Funny fun...I like to be serious about theology,,,
but having a little fun is also good.
Nice to meet you!
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That is a lie, don't believe it.
 
Ouch said:
To HELL THEY go, why did JESUS send these fokes to hell, they had faith and was working for HIM.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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You’re honestly starting to worry me. Is that your way of telling me I’m going to hell or was it just a completely random angry moment?
 
Toknow said:
You really want to discuss this?
The word MUST annoys you?
You MUST obey your wife....
whether you want to believe it or not.
whether you want to or now.

IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS.

or

YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS IF YOU LOVE ME.


The IF is conditional.
It creates a condition.

The condition is OBEY IF LOVE

There are members on Forums that state that they love God
then they proceed to spew hate and state that it's NOT NECESSARY to do good works.
They proudly state that good works AFTER salvation do not save and are not a CONDITON to salvation when
Jesus and Paul clearly teach that it is.

Do they love God?
Are they obeying God?

Nothing with the word MUST JAF.
It might just wake some up.

So what do YOU believe?
Can we forfeit our salvation?
Those that do not like the word MUST usually believe in OSAS.
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I was simply pointing out what I liked about the verse.
I definitely believe in once saved always saved but only through the eyes of God, not ours. He knows whether we are saved or not. We dont know the future. I’ve seen devout Christians convert to Islam and go back to being agnostic. Now we can say that they were never saved to begin with, but they were convinced they were.
 
Toknow said:
It should say that under his avatar.
There are reasons why it may not..makes no difference to me.
And there's no reason to be secretive about it.
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If it did a sock account would be redundant.
I use to be a moderator at a now closed forum.
Sock accounts were encouraged so to insure as much as can be,an open dialog. Whereas, it was thought an obvious moderator account could preclude that.


I happen to post in a very particular way and persons that know me know that it's me
even if I didn't use my same avatar. (which I do)
Plus it sounds like we might have had some fun here...
Funny fun...I like to be serious about theology,,,
but having a little fun is also good.
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True.
For some though,trolling is fun.

Nice to meet you!
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Same here. Thanks.
 
CrystalAnkles said:
Of course they were continually filled and led by the Spirit. Indwelt.
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They were not continually filled.
They sinned at times and made mistakes as they went along.

Look at Peter's example!

But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong.
When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward,
when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of
criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish
believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Galatians 2:11-13
 
Toknow said:
You went to the post and didn't just copy and paste it??


Here it is,,,I did that for you....

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The above sounds dangerously close to easy believism and cheap grace.
Not terms I made up but that have meaning.

Sounds very much like sola fide.

And it seems to me that some members on here are dancing around this subject instead of facing it head-on.



OK. I said the above.
What about it?
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I figure I would link to your own post.

But not good enough?

OK... Here you go....


The above sounds dangerously close to easy believism and cheap grace.
Not terms I made up but that have meaning.

https://christianchat.com/threads/loss-of-salvation.215327/post-5682223


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Genez said:
They were not continually filled.
They sinned at times and made mistakes as they went along.

Look at Peter's example!

But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong.
When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward,
when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of
criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish
believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Galatians 2:11-13
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Circumcision was in the law of Moses.
Jesus came to redeem those who were under the law.

Why would gentiles be required to enter under that circumcision law of Moses when Jesus came to redeem those who were already under that law?

Further, Paul would be contradicting his profession of oneness under Christ,there is no male,female,Jew,gentile, if he insisted the faithful inChrist cannot mingle with uncircumcised gentiles.
Jesus ate with sinners. He didn't discriminate.
 
CrystalAnkles said:
Circumcision was in the law of Moses.
Jesus came to redeem those who were under the law.

Why would gentiles be required to enter under that circumcision law of Moses when Jesus came to redeem those who were already under that law?

Further, Paul would be contradicting his profession of oneness under Christ,there is no male,female,Jew,gentile, if he insisted the faithful inChrist cannot mingle with uncircumcised gentiles.
Jesus ate with sinners. He didn't discriminate.
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OK...

What I said was in response to what you said here:

"Of course they were continually filled and led by the Spirit. Indwelt."​

If Peter were continually led by the Spirit?
He would have not been rebuked by Paul.

We are permanently indwelt by the Spirit.

But, not always filled and led.
Because? We sometimes sin.

The solution for when we sin?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us ​
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9​


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Genez said:
OK...

What I said was in response to what you said here:

"Of course they were continually filled and led by the Spirit. Indwelt."​

If Peter were continually led by the Spirit?
He would have not been rebuked by Paul.

We are permanently indwelt by the Spirit.

But, not always filled and led.
Because? We sometimes sin.

The solution for when we sin?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us indwelt,filled,with the spirit. Were​
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9​


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You didn't write that part of your former post as related to circumcision then. OK.

We'll agree to disagree as to the claim we are not always indwelt,filled with the Spirit. Our seal is permanent as well.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Ohhhhh. You scared me for a second there. So you didn’t want to answer the question about what we are saved from?
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LOL IF, IF we are saved we are saved from where they are going.

I know you don't like answering any questions do you know what they were missing?

Do you believe in Hell?
 
CrystalAnkles said:
You didn't write that part of your former post as related to circumcision then. OK.

We'll agree to disagree as to the claim we are not always indwelt,filled with the Spirit. Our seal is permanent as well.
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What ever you wish, princess.
 
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