This is where you are adding what's not there. This common practice of eisegesis among you Evangelicals is so pervasive and downright dishonest. That context clearly is set up in verse 1 onward, which is about the coming Kingdom of God; that which we call the Millennium. THAT is what we of Israel wanted and are still wanting although I will never be a part of it as a member of the body of Christ.
i'm not an evangelical but it's your absolute right to be separate from a group with which you do not agree.
And you can say you don't agree with me...
that does not equate to being dishonest.
I write what I believe Jesus taught.
This is not dishonesty.
Manufacturing salvation into that context as if it somehow crosses over into that manufactured realm of loss for salvation, that's absolutely flawed at the most fundamental level. You Gentiles in the flesh think you know us of Israel and what we have always believed, and yet you know almost nothing. Anti-Semites among Evangelicals even yammer about how us Jews killed Jesus, and yet Jesus Himself said this:
Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
The Gentiles PERFORMED the torture and crucifixion.
i would suppose some group had to kill Jesus.
Maybe it was the Gentiles. Do you hate the Gentiles?
Or maybe they were just carrying out the orders of the SANHEDRIN since the Sanhedrin could not
declare Jesus to be killed because it was Passover and because it was night time and to hold a trial at that hour was
not legal.
So, what are some people falling away from? It's the FAITH.
Tell you what, please show to us where scripture at any point discusses the UNSEALING of Holy Spirit and how the Father could EVER forfeit His own Spirit. Can you do that? If not, then why continue shoving something into contexts that do not at all support your contention?
MM....it's not God forgeiting the apostate...
It's the apostate that is forfeiting his faith...his God..
the very God that saved him.
You have too much hatred to be able to discuss with you....
but I'll just post this one passage:
2 Peter 2:20-21
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 [h]It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in
Note:
They escaped the defilement of the world...
by knowing Jesus.
Now they are AGAIN entangled in these defilements.
They are worse off than before.
Because they turned away form God and His holy command.
They returned to the mud they were wallowing in.
These theological inventions dredged up from the sewers of human imaginations of how YOU would like for it all to be, that's a false religion, purely and unashamedly. Nobody among you has yet defined that line for loss of salvation that you all have manufactured out from the filth of your own AI.
If you would, please, PLEASE define that line for us all, and do so on the basis of solid, Hermeneutical foundations. Not one verse any of you have yet produced says anything about salvation being retained on the basis of continued faith or any other effort of sheer will nor muscle.
After you've explained why you do not agree with Peter in the above verses...
I'll be happy to provide more.
I have noticed that members here do not use scripture.
I'm trained to use scripture - so no problem.
You mentioned salvation based on continued faith.
Yes sir.
If faith is needed to become saved/born again...
then faith is required to REMAIN saved.
FAITH = SALVATION
NO FAITH = NO SALVATION
Even YOU, your faith is like a roller coaster ride each day. We ALL are guilty of that, but we don't become "less saved" when our daily faith waxes and wanes. We are saved to the uttermost because of the absolute sufficiency in the Blood of Christ that you at the moment don't even believe dare we take seriously the things you've been saying.
Amazine how welll you know me?
When did we meet?
Now, where's YOUR faith? It's obviously lacking to think that Father God forfeits His own Spirit...yet, Holy Spirit of the Trinity...forfeited by way of Him allegedly betraying His own promises. If God were as fickle as some of you people project through your false doctrines and false readings for what scripture actually says, NONE of us could EVER be secure in the knowledge of our salvation if the Lord ever took it back because of His being so unstable and untrustworthy.
Who is "YOU PEOPLE?"
You must be referring to we Christians who read the NT and believe it.
Instead of some guy on YouTube.
Or in some odd church that does not teach orthodox Christianity.
If you care to reply, please use scripture showing that it is impossible to forfeith our salvation.
Thanks.
