The more you talk, the more you sound like somebody who used to be here. Like, the similarity is becoming very, very, VERY pronounced.
Is marriage really a "foretaste of heaven"?
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I've been kicking around the planet for some time now and have never heard that 'doctrine'. I kind of think you are just wanting to have a discussion about it because saying it is taught in nearly all churches is, to put it simply, bogus. Seems to be a Catholic teaching actually and most people here are not Cahtolic. So why don't you just be up front and say it's a Catholic teaching rather than the 'taught in all churches'?
That's cause it seems to be a Catholic teaching. Motives of the op do not seem to be crystal clear
Your op doesn't seem to 'hold water'. You are expounding on a Catholic teaching which is why most people here don't what you are talking about.
Be careful. Starting out with an op that is not quite honest, does not bode well for you or anyone else.
Just sayin'
Anthropology is not your strong suit. Since you are not married, shall we engage you with one eyebrow raised?
So, this is so obviously textbook social studies or anthropology k-wrap, that it goes down like 4 day old bread left on the counter with no expectations of butter being spread on it to help with the consumption thereof.
In other words, been doing a little book learnin'?
Since you say you are not married, everything you say about marriage is hearsay. Unless you are divorced. Are you divorced?
Hmmmm....sorry if you already know this, but are you aware of the fact that nothing is actually solid? What we see or subjectively experience as 'solid', is, in fact, matter composed of atoms which are separated by empty space, with the atoms moving....yes moving, through this space.
I was paying attention in physics class and considered my desk in a whole new light.
So, I'm maybe kinda thinking that could help with passing through 'solid' objects? I don't think we know very much about the spiritual realm and when the Bible tries to tell us some things, we basically either gloss over them or think that was then but not now.
We can't even reach our arms under the refrigerator, let alone through it.
Anyways, thanks for the perspective.
Uh...surely you don't think I meant we are able to do what Jesus did now? It's not a perspective. Are you anti-science?
The Bible tells us that everything is held together by Him. Those atoms would be wild and free like a nuclear blast without Him.
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Col. 1:17
I believe anything is possible with Christ. And no, I'm not anti-science. I believe the science correctly understood supports the Bible. I also believe God is not only upholding all things by the word of His power, but is making all things new. My comment was a failed attempt at humor at your remark concerning the movement within solids. Such movement does exist but is incredibly slow to produce noticeable evidence.
Well that's a little better. Yes it was a failed attempt at humor.
The fact movement is slow (to us) is not indication of anything really. Time is not a factor to God as it is to us. (which you know I'm sure) I was thinking of Jesus passing through 'solids' with the ability to control his own risen body and interact with the atoms in the thing he was passing through. Kind of. He will make all things new. I don't know about the 'big bang' with regards to creation, but there will be one when all things are made new. I take science with the reservation of someone who has seen what passes for science (think covid for example) as pretty sketchy at times.
Correctly understood? yes. I hesitate to say this, but the oft repeated expression that God can do anything or anything is possible, leads to the question 'Can God make a rock to heavy for Him to lift?' God moves in and of Himself which, is far removed from our understandning, such as He has allowed us to have....some more than others, but still.
No worries. I'm not really trying to start a big discussion on something here, but just threw it out.
Sarah produced Iassac who was Jewish, and Hagar produced Ishmael, who was an Arab. Not sure if this was according to God's plan though but he did allow it to happen.
None of them were Jewish. The nation Israel was unyet formed.
While this may be true, and extensively exploited in various Superman and Flash stories, you're still going to die if you hit a brick wall at 85 mph.
I don't know for sure if it is the same person. But the one I'm thinking of from before, it sure was fun to tie that person up in logic knots.I gather they were as much fun the first time?
My review of the OP as a married person is that the general overview (unless i'm missing something) of the message is good.
Marriage is a taste of Heaven if you're in love with someone.
I'm also adding a lot of cultural context here.
Marriage where i come from, has been historically as some sort of contract. Sort of like the Indian culture a bit. You're marrying because of family ties etc and you're marrying into classes of society a bit. So love is never into equation. Because of this i vowed to never marry because i don't want to marry someone i don't love to complete a side-project for my family who wants me to get married. Nope. Never gonna happen.
But God had other plans for me and i've been happily married since high school with an angel. So yes, having an angel besides you all day is a taste of Heaven.
Marriage is a taste of Heaven if you're in love with someone.
I'm also adding a lot of cultural context here.
Marriage where i come from, has been historically as some sort of contract. Sort of like the Indian culture a bit. You're marrying because of family ties etc and you're marrying into classes of society a bit. So love is never into equation. Because of this i vowed to never marry because i don't want to marry someone i don't love to complete a side-project for my family who wants me to get married. Nope. Never gonna happen.
But God had other plans for me and i've been happily married since high school with an angel. So yes, having an angel besides you all day is a taste of Heaven.
Christ is absolutely physical, in fact it is THE rule of thumb that distinguishes false doctrines and false teachers from true doctrines and true teachers. All will be resurrected in flesh and blood, as much as Christ was resurrected in flesh and blood. But that's another topic.
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh ... (Rom. 1:1-3)
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (1 Jn. 4:1-4)
Then have you ever heard of any sermon on this famous yet controversial passage about marital relationship? If yes, then you have heard that "doctrine" - earthly marriage between husband and wife a reflection of heavenly marriage between Christ and his church. "A foretaste of heaven" is just a sales pitch to spice it up for the hopeless - and hopeful - romantics.
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. (Eph. 5:22-30)
If most people know a pastor, an influncer or any clergy that sells marriage, shames singles, urges the listeners to defy the odds and get married over other life pursuits, then most people know what I'm talking about.