What would you say to this fellow human being?

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Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

An atheist is not going to understand for they look at things from a natural perspective.

And not from the perspective of God.

Shall we teach Quantum Physics to a 2 year old.
 
the_seeker said:
Let me take another example:

A friend of yours, a woman, had an abortion. An abortion out of her free will - that is her choice. You meet her for a cup of coffee, and she tells you about this. Now, let's say that you are a pro-life, and in your view abortion is among the most terrible sins one could do. So the conversation goes like this:

She: "I had an abortion."
You: "Why?"
She: "For me, it was the right thing to do."
You: "But ..... "

Yes but....... what do you say to her? Please remember, this is not something you write on your keyboard, it's real life and face-to-face with this woman. So what do you say?
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The Bible is fairly clear on both homosexuality and abortion. You don’t have to read far into it to get to the subject. In Gen 1:28 God gives part of His will for humanity. “Be fruitful and multiple”. This is impossible to do thru both abortion and homosexuality. Now if you want to look at it from an atheistic evolutionary view. Well if an entire race of beings believed both of these things were ok then that race of beings would become extinct. Either way you look at it, it wouldn’t work out for that race of beings. Whether you look at evolution or creation we didn’t get to the 8+ billion humans on earth today by homosexuality and abortion.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
The root is lust, sin. And the only hope to break those chains is Jesus.
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As only Father and Son can reveal it individually to each and every person, Especially not to fight back. Since we all are of reprobate minds!

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

But, how many of us say But not me, am I? Talk to Father and Son

Too many times people only focus on Romans 1 and do not see we all are reprobates, being in unredeemed bodies of flesh and blood, yet are new by God for us as all. To renew our mind sets in trust to God alone, anyone?

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Then, whenever I accuse, abuse, manipulate or even excuse myself or anyone else I see


Romans 2:1-4
Authorized (King James) Version

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
 
homwardbound said:
As only Father and Son can reveal it individually to each and every person, Especially not to fight back. Since we all are of reprobate minds!

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

But, how many of us say But not me, am I? Talk to Father and Son

Too many times people only focus on Romans 1 and do not see we all are reprobates, being in unredeemed bodies of flesh and blood, yet are new by God for us as all. To renew our mind sets in trust to God alone, anyone?

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Then, whenever I accuse, abuse, manipulate or even excuse myself or anyone else I see


Romans 2:1-4
Authorized (King James) Version

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
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An old song says " I know I'm not the man that I ought to be, but thank God I'm not the man I used to be".
 
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Well according to a potential understanding of Romans 1:25, all sin, and actually all human behavior, is rooted in the exact same thing. Therefore, there is no greater or lesser act, all actions are flawed. If one is deathly allergic to eggs for example, it does not matter how they are fixed or in what other food they are added, they remain deadly to the individual who is allergic to them. Homosexuality is not a choice I would make, but that is about all I could say.
 
rewriter said:
Well according to a potential understanding of Romans 1:25, all sin, and actually all human behavior, is rooted in the exact same thing. Therefore, there is no greater or lesser act, all actions are flawed. If one is deathly allergic to eggs for example, it does not matter how they are fixed or in what other food they are added, they remain deadly to the individual who is allergic to them. Homosexuality is not a choice I would make, but that is about all I could say.
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What I noticed about this sin is that those who commit it want God and His children to stop labelling it as sin and accept as not being one. Murderers know what they're doing is wrong, why can't homosexuals?


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1st off, i do not speak to lesbians or homosexuals but if they talk to me 1st then i will converse with them but not for long. when i converse with people on their problems, i never put them in the equation. so if i'm talking to a guy named joe, i don't say, "well, joe you got to stop doing this & that......" i would say something equivalent to the above because i always speak quite directly, that is with diplomacy. i'd explain that God has put His laws into our minds & wrote them in our hearts ( Hebrews 8:10 ), which is 1 way to teach the truth about same sex sin. in addition, i would mention 1st Corinthians 3:16, 6:9 & others.
 
the_seeker said:
According to conservative christians, a homosexual living in a homosexual relationship, even as a married person, is doing a big sin against God.
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I seem to be late to this discussion so forgive me if this has been addressed before, but your statement above:

According to conservative christians, a homosexual living in a homosexual relationship, even as a married person, is doing a big sin against God.
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Is not quite accurate.

The scriptures say:

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."

Sure, one can make the case that every sin is an affront to God, but sexual sin is also an affront to the person. Understanding this should prompt compassion from the believer in Christ.

And since Jesus did not come to condemn the world ("For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.") we, as those in Christ, should not condemn those of the world in sin. I mean, what good would it do to describe the water people are drowning in? They already know God IS. And, if they stand in rejection of God, they know the lack they feel.

So, instead of double-condemning someone in a homosexual lifestyle, I might ask them to tell me about their life or, God willing, I would be given something by the Spirit to tell them about their life just as proof that God knows them and He knows their thoughts.
 
the_seeker said:
According to conservative christians, a homosexual living in a homosexual relationship, even as a married person, is doing a big sin against God.
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First off, your premise is horribly wrong.

1. Just because the State recognizes homosexual marriages, ALL Christians must reject them.

2. This is NOT just “according to conservative Christians”. The union, and acts committed by homosexuals are not only unbiblical, but an abomination against the Lord.

3. Your question depends on whether the homosexuals consider themselves Christians.

We had a guest speaker at our Church several weeks ago that was a lesbian. She tackled your question magnificently. I’d highly recommend watching her message. Just fast forward to when she starts:

 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
What I noticed about this sin is that those who commit it want God and His children to stop labelling it as sin and accept as not being one. Murderers know what they're doing is wrong, why can't homosexuals?


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I would say sexual sin is one of the ones with the most bondage. Satan knows our weakness and will hit it every time.
 
Aaron56 said:
I seem to be late to this discussion so forgive me if this has been addressed before, but your statement above:



Is not quite accurate.

The scriptures say:

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."

Sure, one can make the case that every sin is an affront to God, but sexual sin is also an affront to the person. Understanding this should prompt compassion from the believer in Christ.

And since Jesus did not come to condemn the world ("For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.") we, as those in Christ, should not condemn those of the world in sin. I mean, what good would it do to describe the water people are drowning in? They already know God IS. And, if they stand in rejection of God, they know the lack they feel.

So, instead of double-condemning someone in a homosexual lifestyle, I might ask them to tell me about their life or, God willing, I would be given something by the Spirit to tell them about their life just as proof that God knows them and He knows their thoughts.
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Yes, and sexual immorality includes both homosexual and heterosexual fornication/extra-marital sex,
so we should mention both types of sins when discussing this issue. Hopefully, we won't need to mention bestiality.
 
rewriter said:
Well according to a potential understanding of Romans 1:25, all sin, and actually all human behavior, is rooted in the exact same thing. Therefore, there is no greater or lesser act, all actions are flawed. If one is deathly allergic to eggs for example, it does not matter how they are fixed or in what other food they are added, they remain deadly to the individual who is allergic to them. Homosexuality is not a choice I would make, but that is about all I could say.
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Accept, beleive and see from God to work whatever out through each personally, thank you
To the Gays, God loves you, period and all
 

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According to conservative christians, a homosexual living in a homosexual relationship, even as a married person, is doing a big sin against God.

Now, it's pretty easy to have strong opinions about this and that through a keyboard and a screen, but what about in real life? If you are sitting face-to-face with a homosexual living like I described, and you are a conservative christian, like you are sitting face-to-face with this person around a table, would you still say things like:

You are living a life in sin because you are living in a same-sex relationship !
The Creator of the Universe doesn't like your way of living !
The best is if you, with these feelings inside, stay single for the rest of your life, or go in therapy !

Now - would you say these things in a face-to-face conversation ?
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Well, there was a young teenage lad whom I volunteered to coach with his schoolwork after school. After some time when I visited his family in their home, he announced that he was changing his name and was transitioning to a girl. I told him that God does not make mistakes. He was born a male and that's what He would always be. He spit in my face.
 
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