Loss of salvation???

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sawdust said:
What questions? I backed up everything I said and explained the verses you put forward. You disagreed with my explanations therefore you considered that as not answering which is a technique people like to use to excuse their inability to debate properly.



Do all speak in tongues? No. 1Cor.12:30 The jailer in Acts 16 didn't and I bet you have no idea why he did not.



Of course you're not debating me because you can't. You have no explanation for the verses I raise, you simply ignore them.



Sigh, so typical. When people cannot discuss what they don't know, they simply resort to accusations.



More accusations from the depths of your own insecurities. I will pray for you my friend.

grace and peace.
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Not debating.

Best of luck.
 
Musicmaster said:
It's interesting is it not, that it is written that nature itself declares what may be known of God and yet some continue to appeal to the parables that were themselves masked in hidden meaning, and they overlay that masking onto all the word of God?

That's nothing more than a revealing of their inner desire to keep the rest of scripture on the same level of personal interpretation, which is to say, "I will interpret the word of God on the basis of allegory and ethereal vapor so that I can then make it say whatever I want it to say in order to force it into conformity with my personal beliefs."

That they have so much fake license for such renders them outside the realm of rational discussion when there's no common basis for grounding in hermeneutical rules. They may as well be reading from the false god's Koran while we from the truly inspired word of the true God in the Bible. It's useless to engage minds so far gone over the edge of their flat earth into the mists of continual falling through the dead airs of subjectivism. There's no rational grounding where solidity exists for footing.

Continuing to engage with them is like you trying to keep your feet under you while slipping all over the place on the ice of a frozen
pond while they stand on the grounding of the terrain of subjectivity that only they can root themselves upon the sands of intellectual dishonesty.

MM
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That's why the King James appeals to many of them. .

Many times we can't understand what is saying.
Which opens up for some the freedom to make something up to say what he wants then to believe it is saying.

These teachers do not have to be smart. Only clever. And dumb.

We are in spiritual warfare.
The spiritual enemy will use and exploit those who crave maintaining the strength they had before they were saved by clinging to their natural stubbornness and obstinance to get their way.

It's dumb... it's dumb... it's dumb.
But they continue because they are numb.
Always being inspired by a wrong spirit.

Just move on, leaving them behind in their village.

Therefore, let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ ​
and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of ​
repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction ​
about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, ​
and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so. Hebrews 6:1-3​
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Spiritual retardation is a self-inflicted state of loss.
They do not want to give up their old ways of getting their way,

Not wanting to be made humbled by being exposed and having to face their own stupidity once again.
Avoiding the pains and hurts of their past that they developed defense mechanisms for covering over.

Ironically... they turn their faith in Jesus Christ into a new defense mechanism to be stubborn, rather than
developing the spiritual growth mechanism to transform into a soul that no longer is stupid, but made wise
in knowledge of sound doctrine understanding it with accurately.

Ironically... Playing stupid to protect the stupid, ends up making one dumb. It lowers IQ.

So be it.
 
Ouch said:
We all have choices to make, we could debated HIS word more but you made statements that I questioned you because they do not line up with HIS word and you never replied or backed them up with scripture so why?

Like Paul saw a problem in Acts 19 he asked questions, those who he asked questions to replied and they TOGETHER figured out the problem then resolved it do to obedince.

OUR walk is between US and JESUS alone when we stand infront of HIM HE will be the one judging us with HIS rule book.

No best friend, pastor, man or internet sight will come into play, JUST YOU AND HIM.

What ever church we go to when the preacher says something WE NEED TO LOOK it up in HIS word and keep the pastor in check not just follow him blindly !!

I was there once, he's the pastor right??

You say you were filled with the living water which is the Holy Ghost but you never spoke in tongues, if you were filled you would have.

You think you were filled with the living water and it got rid of your sins.

FINE WITH ME!!! I'M NOT DEBATING YOU, I am just pointing out what you say does not line up with HIS word.

I don't get into denomantions becasue why so many? ONE GOD and so many different denomantions why?

Men don't like HIS word so they just start another church, just like you do not accept HIS word but follow your own understanding or others of men.

The ONLY reason I tithe at my church is because they know how to be reborn!!!!!!

If I tithed at a church which preaches just say this prayer and your saved, THEM I'M PAYING FOR THAT MESSAGE TO BE PREACHED and people will be lost and I will have blood on my hands.

Can't enter Heaven with sin or not having the Holy Ghost.

I'm not debating with you, you are set in you ways and refuse to look in HIS word to back up what you say for your self.

So why couldn't we agree on anything?

I use HIS WORD as my foudation, you don't.

We have different rule books!

Best of luck, we should always be learning from JESUS or others and need to be humble.
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You' are such a ghostly person.
 
Genez said:
How long do you want to be dumb?
Till the day you die?
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You are a very rude person, fyi we are suppose to love one and the other.

We can tell a tree by it's fruits, your are not very sweet.

No wonder you will not tell me if you have been reborn.

That was the purpose of the two questions I asked.
 
Ouch said:
You are a very rude person, fyi we are suppose to love one and the other.

We can tell a tree by it's fruits, your are not very sweet.

No wonder you will not tell me if you have been reborn.

That was the purpose of the two questions I asked.
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I do love you.
I hate to see you remaining dumbed down by bad teachings.
And, will tell you so.

If I hated you?
I would just leave you alone be to end up destroying the opportunity God has given us all to grow in grace and knowledge
that will transform us into having wisdom and insight.
 
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Genez said:
I do love you.
I hate to see you remaining dumbed down by bad teachings.
And, will tell you so.

If I hated you?
I would just leave you alone be to end up destroying the opportunity God has given us all to grow in grace and knowledge
that will transform us into having wisdom and insight.
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You don't have to worry about me being dumb in your mind.

Since I only share HIS word, I know where it comes from, your not the only one who dosen't like HIS word.
 
Ouch said:
You are a very rude person, fyi we are suppose to love one and the other.

We can tell a tree by it's fruits, your are not very sweet.

No wonder you will not tell me if you have been reborn.

That was the purpose of the two questions I asked.
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When Jesus told the pharisees they were of their father the devil, do you think Jesus was NOT walking in Love when He said that?

If so that would be claiming Jesus was committing sin when he was being rude to the pharisees
 
Ouch said:
your not the only one who dosen't like HIS word.
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On what basis do you continue to make these accusations?

We share the word exactly the same as you do. You have consistently reminded us we must face Christ for our words yet here you are once again accusing your fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord of something quite heinous.

Why don't you practice what you preach?
 
HigherGospel said:
When Jesus told the pharisees they were of their father the devil, do you think Jesus was NOT walking in Love when He said that?

If so that would be claiming Jesus was committing sin when he was being rude to the pharisees
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Big difference between being rude and speaking the tu
sawdust said:
On what basis do you continue to make these accusations?

We share the word exactly the same as you do. You have consistently reminded us we must face Christ for our words yet here you are once again accusing your fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord of something quite heinous.

Why don't you practice what you preach?
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Since I wasn't talking to you, you would not know he does not like it when I repet HIS word the word of phrase "Holy Ghost"

So I told him what you shared.

Do you have a problem with that?

I'm not accusing of anyone I'm stating a fact!

If they will not accept HIS word what makes you think we are brothers and sisters?

Are we all of one accord?

What scripture did you share that I don't agree with???
 
Ouch said:
Big difference between being rude and speaking the tu


Since I wasn't talking to you, you would not know he does not like it when I repet HIS word the word of phrase "Holy Ghost"

So I told him what you shared.

Do you have a problem with that?

I'm not accusing of anyone I'm stating a fact!

If they will not accept HIS word what makes you think we are brothers and sisters?

Are we all of one accord?

What scripture did you share that I don't agree with???
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So you think accusing people of hating God's word is being truthful when all we do is the exact same thing as you?

Pretty much every scripture I have shared you have pooh poohed.

Why don't you try explaining to us how there can be two baptisms when the word shared says there is one baptism? Start there.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
 
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Ouch said:
You don't have to worry about me being dumb in your mind.

Since I only share HIS word,
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So you think Jesus spoke King James English?
That the King James was good enough for the Apostle Paul?

If the King James were consistently saying the same things as the Greek and Hebrew?
Then you would be sharing HIS Word.

So far?
I would not say you are dumb.
Just ignorant.

Sadly, being stubborn and stupid will keep you ignorant.

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,​
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1​
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Ouch said:
I know EXACTLY what you mean.

You don't like the KJV bible and me since I just repeat it.
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I like the King James Bible... up to a point.
In some ways, it does a better job than the newer translations.

Yet... the newer translations, in return, does a much better job than the King James.
 
sawdust said:
So you think accusing people of hating God's word is being truthful when all we do is the exact same thing as you?

Pretty much every scripture I have shared you have pooh poohed.

Why don't you try explaining to us how there can be two baptisms when the word shared says there is one baptism? Start there.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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Worthy of reposting.
sawdust said:
So you think accusing people of hating God's word is being truthful when all we do is the exact same thing as you?

Pretty much every scripture I have shared you have pooh poohed.

Why don't you try explaining to us how there can be two baptisms when the word shared says there is one baptism? Start there.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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Genez said:
Who says the Reformers understood doctrine "soundly?"
They simple broke loose of the Catholic church and was able to grasp salvation by grace and justification by faith.

They escaped one form of tyranny (the RCC), and in many cases, to enter into their own brand of tyranny.
Religious tyranny was so much in vogue during the dark ages.
The Reformers simply found a way to break free of Rome, which was a step better than being under the pope.
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Genez said:
That's why the King James appeals to many of them. .

These teachers do not have to be smart. Only clever. And dumb.

It's dumb... it's dumb... it's dumb.

Just move on, leaving them behind in their village.

Therefore, let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ ​
and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of ​
repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction ​
about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, ​
and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so. Hebrews 6:1-3​
​
Spiritual retardation is a self-inflicted state of loss.
They do not want to give up their old ways of getting their way,

Not wanting to be made humbled by being exposed and having to face their own stupidity once again.

Ironically... they turn their faith in Jesus Christ into a new defense mechanism to be stubborn, rather than
developing the spiritual growth mechanism to transform into a soul that no longer is stupid, but made wise
in knowledge of sound doctrine understanding it with accurately.

Ironically... Playing stupid to protect the stupid, ends up making one dumb. It lowers IQ.

So be it.
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HigherGospel said:
When Jesus told the pharisees they were of their father the devil, do you think Jesus was NOT walking in Love when He said that?

If so that would be claiming Jesus was committing sin when he was being rude to the pharisees
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So you think your rudeness is prophetic?
 
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sawdust said:
So you think accusing people of hating God's word is being truthful when all we do is the exact same thing as you?

Pretty much every scripture I have shared you have pooh poohed.

Why don't you try explaining to us how there can be two baptisms when the word shared says there is one baptism? Start there.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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The only reson I respond to you was to clear up who I was speaking to.

I told you I'm done debating with you.

I did ask you what scripture I disagreed with, don't say all of them.

Show me how I disagree with them like you do Acts 2:38.

You said these comments as I aske you in post #5307

You said, "Christ's baptism actually deals with your sin."

Where does that come from, can you prove it?

"only the power of the Spirit with the word of God (Jesus is the word) can be effective when dealing with sin."

How did you come up with that?

You back them up with scripture and I will reply.

Not a big explanation just the facts ok.
 
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