No, though I have visited there. That pic just appeared on my FB feed.I know right where that is! I used to work up there a lot. Do you live in C. Springs?
No, though I have visited there. That pic just appeared on my FB feed.I know right where that is! I used to work up there a lot. Do you live in C. Springs?
What do your comment have to do with my question ?
So you think - according to my example - that it's fair that Hitler go to heaven while the atheist jude go to hell?
Depends on what "heaven" is like.
Depends on what "heaven" is like.
The Pharisees and the Sadducees endlessly debated the resurrection.The Church is divided into two main camps, when it comes to questions like these. Those who believe that salvation comes after a lifetime of obedience and good works, will say yes.
Those who believe that God chose to save a definite number, before the foundation of the world, will say no.
There's no "one size fits all" answer to this question, the debate between the opposing theologians has been raging for over 500 years, with no conclusion or consensus in sight.
You may as well have asked "is Calvinism or Arminianism Biblically correct". Neither side is willing to give an inch, so trying to reconcile these opposing views is a lost cause.
Mercy is not getting what you deserve. Grace is getting what you don’t deserve.
Hitler didn’t become a Christian, but suppose he became a Christian based on what the word of God says.. that tells me that as long as one has a sincere heart of repentance, a desire to have salvation in Christ, and responds biblically to the gospel call of salvation (Acts 2:21, 38), then that tells me even the most wicked isn’t beyond saving.
I don’t deserve salvation. I don’t deserve heaven. I don’t deserve eternal life. I deserve hell. I don’t deserve forgiveness. I deserve to be eternally separated from the Almighty God for the sins..the wicked..the evil I have done not just on the outside of my body, but on the inside, but God had and has mercy on me (by not giving me what I deserve) and the fact He gave people (such as myself) a way to be saved when I didn’t deserve it is grace (getting what I don’t deserve). The fact He forgave me and continues to offer repentance to me when I didn’t and don’t deserve it, when I deserve judgment is still grace and mercy.
There are things I have done before and after as a Christian I wish I could forget. I wonder how God could ever forgive someone like me, but Jesus made all of that possible. I did not do one thing to deserve His forgiveness.
I am not good enough in and of myself to stand before a holy God. In other words, if salvation was solely based on doing a bunch of works to receive forgiveness, then I’m eternally damned.
But thanks be to God’s undeserving love, grace and mercy, there is hope for a wretched man that I can sometimes be. God’s grace, appearing through and by Jesus (Jn 1:17), has God reaching down to save when we didn’t deserve (and still don’t deserve).
God is a God of salvation (2 Sam. 22:47; 1 Chron. 16:35; Ps. 18:46; Ps. 24:5; Ps. 25:5; Ps. 27;:9; Is. 17:10; Is. 52:10; Micah 7:7; Hab. 3:18; Titus 2:11; Rev. 12:10; Phil. 1:28; Rom. 1:16; Lk. 3:6; 2 Peter 3:14-15; 1 Tim. 2:3-4; John 3:16; etc etc)
God’s mercy closes the door to hell, and His grace opens the door to heaven (Titus 3:4-5; Eph. 2:5-8).
I'm eternally grateful that God forgives completely. From east to west.
"As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us." (Ps. 103:12).
I'm thankful God remembers our sins no more (Heb. 8:12; Heb. 10:17; Jer. 31:34; Isaiah 43:25).
I'm thankful God is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy (Ps. 145:8-9).
I'm grateful that God is gracious in all His works (Ps. 145:17), is a long-suffering God (2 Peter 3:9, 15, Num. 14:18, Ps. 86:15).
I'm grateful that He loves righteousness and hates wickedness (Ps. 45:7)..He does not take pleasure in wickedness nor does evil dwell with Him (Ps. 5:4)... He is rich in mercy, goodness, kindness, and grace (Eph. 2:4; Rom. 2:4). Good and upright is the Lord (Psalm 25:8).
I'm so thanktul His love and mercy is everlasting (Jer. 31:3; Ps. 100:5), He is good (Jer. 33:11; 2 Chron. 16:34; Nahum 1:7), and He has no pleasure in the death of anyone, as He wants even the wicked to have life, as in be saved (Ezek. 18:32, 18:23, 33:11; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pe. 3:9).
I'm eternally grateful that His saving and amazing grace appeared in Christ Jesus who died for all men (Titus 2:11-12, 3:4; 2 Cor. 5:15), and that Christ's saving gospel is for all (Rom. 1:16; Mk. 16:15-16).
I’m eternally grateful that He teaches us by His grace in Christ on how to live godly and not sinfully (Titus 2:11-12).
I’m forever grateful to the gospel call of salvation so people are able to receive the remission of sins that is offered by Christ, (Acts 2:21, Acts 2:38; Matthew 28:19).
And I'm forever grateful that no one can work to earn His forgiveness. Instead, it was lovingly given by God through Jesus Christ, who loves all to provide the way to the Father to have eternal life (Jn. 3:16, 14:6; Acts 4:12; Acts 2:38). That's why it's a gift (Rom. 6:23).
Such is the mercy and grace of God. Such is the beauty of the gospel of Christ, God’s power unto salvation (Rom. 1:16).
“But God, who is rich in mercy…” (Eph. 2:4)
“By grace you have been saved…” (Eph. 2:8)
Can we change the outcome of going from lost to saved? Or is our eternal fate set in stone?
The Church is divided into two main camps, when it comes to questions like these. Those who believe that salvation comes after a lifetime of obedience and good works, will say yes.
Those who believe that God chose to save a definite number, before the foundation of the world, will say no.
There's no "one size fits all" answer to this question, the debate between the opposing theologians has been raging for over 500 years, with no conclusion or consensus in sight.
You may as well have asked "is Calvinism or Arminianism Biblically correct". Neither side is willing to give an inch, so trying to reconcile these opposing views is a lost cause.
Dear christians.
Please read my example of Hitler and the poor jude. As several have concluded, it's fair that Hitler goes to heaven while the atheist jude goes to hell. Now my question is:
Do all of you christians agree that this is fair? Every single one of you reading this?
No one reading this who is at least a little sceptical to this way of thinking about right and justice ?
Jude?" Do you mean, "Jew?" What is your native tongue?Interesting.
So you think it's fair.
Hitler might go to heaven, while the poor atheist jude gassed to death in Hitler's gas chambers go to hell.
I don't think that comparison is justified, because the Church is not divided over the any of the core foundational doctrines, such as the identity and nature of Christ, the resurrection and the authority of Gods Word.The Pharisees and the Sadducees endlessly debated the resurrection.
According to Christ, they were both children of the devil.
Just an observation.
Thank you for your concern.
The doctrine of "annihillation" is interesting in a historical context. As you know, the nazis killed around 6 000 000 jews during Holocaust. Now, this way of getting rid of the "jew problem" was named, in German, "Die Endlösung" which translates to "The Final Solution". In some ways, this reminds me of the christian God's plan to get rid of these annoying non-christians. Just send them to Hell! The final solution! Annihillation! Let them die and forget them!
So, as a non-christian, I am - according to many christians - facing "Die Endlösung" which means either annihillation like I've never existed, or eternal pain and suffering in Hell.
Now, if this is the way of your God, I see some similarities between your God and Hitler. Say no more, think for yourselves.
No wonder I am an atheist.
I'm sure there are many other versions of the gospel, but they're not supported by the bible. The only two which can be supported are those two which all of the mainstream denominations teach. That being (salvation is by grace) and (salvation is by works) or the third, which is really the same as the second (salvation by grace and works combined)There is a third option that has existed before these two options.
The option where we leave judgment up to God. The most you can say ... the most ... is to speak of your own fate if you feel saved. Not the fate of billions of people who live or ever lived. That's up to God and only God.
And you should feel saved here and now, not later. Because here and now you have the Kingdom of God in you which makes this fallen world seems almost like Heaven but without being in the physical presence of God.