The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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vassal said:
I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God.

In conclusion, whatsoever ye would that men should do to you do you even so to them for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12

One believing Him therefore has the whole law in mind. The Messiah, the messenger of the covenant, stated the whole law in one easy to memorize statement.
Then He painfully died and rose from the dead, shedding forth His Spirit which lives in the hearts of believers equipping and helping them to follow the law as defined by the Messiah.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Only God can define His laws and He did both written and spoken by God Himself Exo20:6 Deut4:13 Exo31:18 and while we are in the NC, the difference is the promises Heb8:6 and the location of God's laws, now written in the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 for those who don't rebel Rom8:7-8

Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath will not end Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23 my faith is in Him not what man changed Dan7:25 as if man can sanctify a day or sanctify themselves Isa66:17 instead of depending on God. Isa 56:2 Eze20:12
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Based on your eisegesis my argument still stands. Do you believe that you have sufficiently obeyed the 10 commandments and will receive eternal life based on that standard? Its a rhetorical question.
 
memberofthebride said:
the Father is calling and bringing the Bride of Christ into perfection, into ONE with the Father and the Son,
There is ONE Body -- ONE Congregation -- in one accord, all speaking the same thing --- no division.

Being "Born From Above" occurs at the First Resurrection, That ONE Spirit is in me but I am not 'born' as yet.
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That you are not born again is both evident and sad.
 
mailmandan said:
Based on your eisegesis my argument still stands. Do you believe that you have sufficiently obeyed the 10 commandments and will receive eternal life based on that standard? Its a rhetorical question.
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What I do or don't so will have no bearing on your salvation on judgement day, we all have to stand before Him based on what we do 2 Cor5:10 Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30
 
SabbathBlessing said:
There is nothing wrong with God's laws, what He does is forever Ecc3:14 He makes no mistakes, we do by not keeping them. They are perfect Psa19:7 and holy Rom7:12 the issue was the hardness of the heart, why the location changed of God's laws, written in the heart based on the promise of what He will do, we still have to cooperate with Him, not everyone does Heb8:7-8.
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The problem is not with God's laws. The problem is with mankind. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:10-12; 23; 6:23; 7:7-25 etc..). You seem to have more confidence in what you DO to receive salvation rather than what Christ has already DONE.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Your words, not His. If we love God, we obey Him, not disobey, at least that is what He asks John14:15 Luke 6:46-48
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If you keep the sabbath as a means of sanctifying yourself then you are profaning the sabbath because the sabbaths were given as a sign to Israel to know that God was the one sanctifying them. So when you do works of law you are profaning the sabbath.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
If you keep the sabbath as a means of sanctifying yourself then you are profaning the sabbath because the sabbaths were given as a sign to Israel to know that God was the one sanctifying them. So when you do works of law you are profaning the sabbath.
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God does the sanctifying, not us.

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

You are making a whole doctrine that is the exact opposite of what God says. Man can't sanctify a day, nor can they sanctify themselves. God relates this both to God's seventh day Sabbath Gen2:3 Eze20:12 Exo20:8011, spending holy time with Him because He is our Sanctifier. Rejecting this is saying we do not want His sanctification, we can do this ourselves and in actuality its depending on our works instead of God's.
 
mailmandan said:
The problem is not with God's laws. The problem is with mankind. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:10-12; 23; 6:23; 7:7-25 etc..). You seem to have more confidence in what you DO to receive salvation rather than what Christ has already DONE.
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Not what I do, God gave the Sabbath so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 because He knows we can't do this ourselves. God just wants to spend holy time with us why He sanctified- set part as holy, the Sabbath day. The only day God blessed and sanctified, sadly most depend on their own works of trying to sanctify a day and themselves Isa 66:17 instead of depending on God's.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
What I do or don't so will have no bearing on your salvation on judgement day, we all have to stand before Him based on what we do 2 Cor5:10 Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30
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What will works determine for believers (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) and unbelievers (Revelation 20:11-15) at the judgment?
 
TMS said:
You are mixing up the moral and cerimonial laws.

Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

This is telling us to follow the sabbath law. It is made for mankind.

The pharisees had added many restrictions and burdens to the sabbath law and Jesus was revealing and keeping it the way God intended.

He is Lord of the sabbath.

The cerimonial laws were a type of the coming Messiah. They were nailed to the cross.. the sabbath is not a type of the coming Messiah.. the sabbath reminds us of creation and the power of God to save.
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No, you are rejecting the one law of Jesus (John 13:35, Matt. 22:37-40)--which is NOT the Sabbath law,
thereby contradicting yourself "One law and one faith".
 
mailmandan said:
What will works determine for believers (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) and unbelievers (Revelation 20:11-15) at the judgment?
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Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The [f]kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was [g]and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

There is a reason why we see the ark of God's covenant at the Last Trumpet before His Second Coming


Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
God does the sanctifying, not us.

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

You are making a whole doctrine that is the exact opposite of what God says. Man can't sanctify a day, nor can they sanctify themselves. God relates this both to God's seventh day Sabbath Gen2:3 Eze20:12 Exo20:8011, spending holy time with Him because He is our Sanctifier. Rejecting this is saying we do not want His sanctification, we can do this ourselves and in actuality its depending on our works instead of God's.
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Having faith in God that he is sanctifying us is fulfilling the righteousness required by the 4th commandment
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Not what I do, God gave the Sabbath so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 because He knows we can't do this ourselves. God just wants to spend holy time with us why He sanctified- set part as holy, the Sabbath day. The only day God blessed and sanctified, sadly most depend on their own works of trying to sanctify a day and themselves Isa 66:17 instead of depending on God's.
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Who is US/THEM in Ezekiel 20:12? Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. Hint verse 13 Yet the house of Israel. :)

*Also see Exodus 31:13, 17.
 
mailmandan said:
Who is US/THEM in Ezekiel 20:12? Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. Hint verse 13 Yet the house of Israel. :)

*Also see Exodus 31:13, 17.
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That's right all the promises to "them" we receive through faith. We don't get to pick out only the blessings and leave out the things we feel are not for us, even when Jesus said He made them for us Mat2:27

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

why it was related not to follow in the same path of disobedience Eze20:13 Eze20:16 as those who came before us Heb4:11
 
SabbathBlessing said:
That's right all the promises to "them" we receive through faith. We don't get to pick out only the blessings and leave out the things we feel are not for us, even when Jesus said He made them for us Mat2:27

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

why it was related not to follow in the same path of disobedience Eze20:13 Eze20:16 as those who came before us Heb4:11
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More conflating of the old and new covenants.
 
Dino246 said:
That you are not born again is both evident and sad.
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Do you understand the so called "born again" movement began in the 1960's it did not exist before the 60"s

So it did not exist for over 1900 years --- and this came about due to the confusion caused by misunderstanding Paul.

So no thanks -- none for me please.
 
Gideon300 said:
You ignore God's word. Denominations are not the church. Perfect doctrine is not the qualification to enter heaven. And for sure you are not qualified to judge who is born again and who is not. 45,000 denominations is 44,999 too many. But that is because Christians are governed by intellect and opinions instead of the Spirit. God knows that. Lord Jesus is building His church in spite of the many flaws and imperfections of His people. All who are born again are precious to Lord Jesus. That is true even when there are doctrinal disagreements. You don't have to like it. it is the way it is.
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So of the 45,000 which one or ones will get a person into "heaven"?? is it 10? is it half?
and as for me, Christ promised eternal life, not heaven. my desire is to rule on earth with the KING of Kings bring billions of Sons into the Family of God..

If there are scriptures explaining what there is to do in the third heaven I would love from someone to point them out.
 
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