Understanding limited atonement

studentoftheword said:

You have it backwards here ------your saying that Faith is received through Grace -----

it should be -------Grace comes through Faith ---

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that's an assertion you probably miss understood or I've wrote something out in a different order. We are saved by grace though his faith.

Understanding this is so very important and also understanding re-generation proceeds faith is important to as proceeds means to come before, so we actually do get some regeneration before being saved.

So before faith was given as a gift ie his saving faith that comes after his saving Grace , people where graced with his inner mercy ie his moral law, to where they could express faith and even show inner affection and compassion that what's know as the first regeneration of his faith, where people can obey his faith and strive to keep his way.

The children of the promise where trained to keep his way, by his moral law wrote on there hearts. Where wrote and are wrote on Every unsaved persons hearts, as this moral law on there hearts is the first stage of regeneration. Where God draws them.

studentoftheword said:

You can think that but then that is not Grace what your saying ----that becomes a work ----as your saying that your atonement depends on your getting faith -------this is called cheap Grace ---

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this is called conjuring up and assertion too I don't know where you got that or who planted this poison, but his grace is not cheap.

What he graces people with is also his saving faith

Aussie52 said:

Why do you feel the need to push your Calvinism on others?

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Oh I forgot to mention something which shows how not bothered I am really, the reason I'm not bothered is because I know the truth.

When I say I know the truth, I know that people preaching the true message who are affiliated with John Calvin's writings like RC Sproul here, teach salvation is offered to all people.

Because in this sermon he states the atonement Jesus made is sufficient for everybody, in others words his salvation is available for all people.

So now why I'm concerned by this truth, because here on cc we have so many people saying people who teach tulip are Calvinistic pigs basically, who believe all sorts of rotten things.

Well that may be true of some people but it certainly does not represent the true message of our reformed faith teach and preach in many reformed churches around the world.

Just some pause for thought based on my last post

Just thinking about pigs, oink oink

It's ironic that a Catholic heresy was initiated by somebody called pigius and Erasmus but when you say the name erasmus quickly it sounds more like harras moss, meaning a harraser of the protestant faith.

On the bondage of the will – The Standard Bearer Magazine by Reformed Free Publishing Association | RFPA https://share.google/eaQcNmKCdEYZ3At3Z

In the Reformation’s recovery of the gospel of grace, the truth of the bondage of the will was fundamental. “Fundamental” means that without the confession of this bondage, the gospel of grace could not be proclaimed. “Fundamental” means also that the Reformation proclaimed the gospel only by a confession of the bondage of the will. Without the doctrine of the bondage of the will, there had been no Reformation of the church. First introduced by Saint Augustine


The Roman Catholic Church is as committed to the heresy of free will as it was in the time of the Reformation. It is as fierce a foe of the bondage of the will as were Erasmus and Pighius. This alone makes all ecumenical relations with Rome on the part of Protestant churches illicit.