Enoch

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1 Enoch may not be a perfectly 'preserved' document in its present forms, but its contents are still something I hold to a high regard. To me, it helps answer many mysteries about clues from the ancient world that are attributed to space aliens or other apostate ideas.
It also doesn't make sense to me that a liar would compile the very document that explicitly details a horrible condemnation for them, to behave in uprightness and walk with fear because absolutely nothing is hidden from God.

Most of the content aligns well with what's already established in the old & new testaments, but let me share some portions of the book that I can use my personal wisdom to justify:

67:4—
And He will imprison those messengers who have shown unrighteousness in that burning valley which my grandfather Enoch had formerly shown to me... And I saw that valley in which there was a great convulsion and a convulsion of the waters. And when all this took place, a smell of sulfur was produced from that fiery molten metal and from the convulsion thereof in that place, and it was connected with those waters, and that valley of the messengers who had led [mankind] astray burned beneath that land. And streams of fire proceed through its valleys where these messengers who had led those who dwell on the earth astray are punished. But in those days those waters will serve for the kings, and the mighty, and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, [not] for the healing of the body, but for the punishment of the spirit; now their spirit is full of lust, that they may be punished in their body, for they have denied the Lord of Spirits and see their punishment daily, and yet do not believe in His Name.

I often hear sinners casually uttering phrases like "I'm probably going to hell" or "I'm defintely going to hell for this". Hell never seems to be too far from the minds of those who deny God, even though they insist it isn't real, which makes me think back to this section every time its concept manifests.

77:8—
I saw seven great islands in the sea and in the mainland: two in the mainland (Eurasia, Africa) and five in the Great Sea. (Austrailia, North & South America, Greenland, and Antarctica)

At the time when this was written, no one had a complete map of the whole earth.

80:2—
And in the days of the sinners the years will be shortened, and their seed will be late on their lands and fields, and all things on the earth will alter, and will not appear in their time: And the rain will be kept back, and the heavens will withhold it. And in those times the fruits of the earth will be backward, and will not grow in their time, and the fruits of the trees will be withheld in their time. And the moon will alter her order, and not appear at her time. [[And in those days the sun will be seen, and he will journey in the evening on the extremity of the great chariot in the west,]] and will shine more brightly than accords with the order of light. And many chiefs of the stars will transgress the order prescribed. And these will alter their orbits and tasks, and not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.
98:1—
And now I swear to you—to the wise and to the foolish—for you will have manifold experiences on the earth. For you men will put on more adornments than a woman, and more colored garments than a virgin. They will be poured out as water in royalty, and in grandeur, and in power, and in silver, and in gold, and in purple, and in splendor, and in food. Therefore they will be wanting in doctrine and wisdom, and they will thereby perish together with their possessions, and with all their glory, and their splendor; and in shame, and in slaughter, and in great destitution, their spirits will be cast into the furnace of fire.

These prophecies are observably beginning to be fulfilled.
 
Speaking of Moses, if the Israelites had stayed in Egypt at the end, then they would have had two Kings, an Egyptian king a secular king and a Lord God, so the Israelites had to leave Egypt and Moses couldn't enter the Promised Land for the same reason, for Israel at that time, there could only be one king, and that was God himself.

I think the book of Enoch is real, more believable than the colorful stories of angels rebelling against God.

Num 20:7 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 20:8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
Num 20:9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

Num 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
Num 20:11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
Num 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Deu 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Moses did not get to go in to the promise land because he disobeyed God by not speaking to the rock to bring forth water but hit the rock twice with his rod.
 
Also, there is contextual evidence to affirm that the 'sinners' the text condemns are not anyone who beleives in God:
5:4—
But you have not been steadfast, nor done the commands of the Lord, but you have turned away and spoken proud and hard words with your impure mouths against His greatness. O you hard-hearted! You will find no peace...
And all the [righteous] will rejoice, And there will be forgiveness of sins, and every mercy, and peace, and forbearance: There will be salvation to them, an excellent light. And for all of you sinners there will be no salvation, but a curse will abide on all of you.


48:2—
And at that hour that Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of Spirits, and His Name before the Head of Days. Yes, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heavens were made, His Name was named before the Lord of Spirits. He will be a staff to the righteous on which to stay themselves and not fall, and He will be the light of the nations, and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth will fall down and worship before Him and will praise, and bless, and celebrate the Lord of Spirits with song. And for this reason He has been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and forevermore. And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits has revealed Him to the holy and righteous, for He has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness and have hated all its works and ways in the Name of the Lord of Spirits; for they are saved in His Name, and it has been in regard to their life according to His good pleasure.

82:4—
Blessed are all the righteous, blessed are all those who walk in the way of righteousness and do not sin as the sinners in the reckoning of all their days in which the sun traverses the heavens

101:6—
Are the entire sea, and all its waters, and all its movements, not the work of the Most High, and has He not set limits to its doings, and confined it throughout by the sand? And at His reproof it is afraid and dries up, and all its fish die and all that is in it, but you sinners that are on the earth do not fear Him. Has He not made the heavens, and the earth, and all that is therein? Who has given understanding and wisdom to everything that moves on the earth and in the sea? Do the sailors of the ships not fear the sea? Yet sinners do not fear the Most High.

I'm posting a wholly complete scan of the version I perfer, since I haven't been able to find any download for it online.
Since it was too big to upload as one file, I had to split it into three parts. Note that the text in double brackets was added by a transliterator, and not completely original to the native language.
While I do agree with H&H that the 3000 ells thing is bogus, I think a more accurate measurement would be 30 cubits.
 

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Maybe the giants didn't have conventional bones. Maybe they were more of a rigid cartilage.
 
Book of Enoch, go. haha Just wondering what you all think of the Enoch and what is written in it. Been studying it a touch.

There's three or four books by that title. I skimmed those available to me years ago after a man brought his copy to my meeting. I'll call him Wilber.

Wilber was a strange man who started attending at the invitation of one of our members.
I noticed that he had some strange views on spiritual matters he shared with others, but kept personal from me until one day he brought his book of Enoch.
I realize that they are all authored by different people claiming to be Enoch, Noah's grandfather. However, I don't believe it for a minute that we have a book preserved from the actual person today.

Wilber said he believed that it was wrongfully excluded from the Bible, the same Bible he did not believe. Then he handed it to me prompting me to agree that it was an ancient book from thousands of years ago.
I only took time to look at the illustrations, read captions and brief portions throughout. I remember that it had symbols adopted by the occult and at least one blasphemous statement misrepresenting the Lord.
I shared my opinion with him and he did not return.

The following week I saw a strange handwritten flyer on a grocery store bulletin board. As I read it, I saw that it was an invitation to attend pagan/witchcraft gatherings.
I tore it down and took it with me to check out the internet addresses listed before throwing it away. The websites were invitations occult/witchcraft pagan devil worship ceremonies.
They had obscene pictures of naked people dancing around a fire in the woods at night.
I noticed that the phone number written on the flyer looked familiar. I decided to go through my contact list. Guess who's phone number it was?

Wilbur never showed up again.
 
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Methuselah is the oldest recorded but some could have lived to be older, even more than a 1,000 years.
And is there a reference biblically that Enoch is the father of Methuselah? I thought his lineage was unknown.
No. No one could have lived more than a thousand yrs.

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for
in the day that you eat of it you[f] shall surely die.”


That was the point in Methuselah, and others coming just shy of 1000 years.

From the Lord’s perspective they died short of one “day”, as several places in Scripture say 1000 years is as a day to God.

This must be true because Adam and Eve did NOT die the human day they ate the fruit.

Now, did God lie when He said they would die the day they ate of it? Or is a “day” the 1000 yrs?

That’s why no one has lived past 1000 years.
 
No. No one could have lived more than a thousand yrs.

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for
in the day that you eat of it you[f] shall surely die.”


That was the point in Methuselah, and others coming just shy of 1000 years.

From the Lord’s perspective they died short of one “day”, as several places in Scripture say 1000 years is as a day to God.

This must be true because Adam and Eve did NOT die the human day they ate the fruit.

Now, did God lie when He said they would die the day they ate of it? Or is a “day” the 1000 yrs?

That’s why no one has lived past 1000 years.
We don't know if anyone lived to be a thousand years old. The Bible doesn't give evidence one way or the other. While I follow your logic, your conclusion is speculation. Personally, I believe the length of days is evidence of the long-suffering of God and to show that no matter how long an individual lived, apart from the mercy of God they would never come to Him.
 
There's three or four books by that title. I skimmed those available to me years ago after a man brought his copy to my meeting. I'll call him Wilber.

Wilber was a strange man who started attending at the invitation of one of our members.
I noticed that he had some strange views on spiritual matters he shared with others, but kept personal from me until one day he brought his book of Enoch.
I realize that they are all authored by different people claiming to be Enoch, Noah's grandfather. However, I don't believe it for a minute that we have a book preserved from the actual person today.

Wilber said he believed that it was wrongfully excluded from the Bible, the same Bible he did not believe. Then he handed it to me prompting me to agree that it was an ancient book from thousands of years ago.
I only took time to look at the illustrations, read captions and brief portions throughout. I remember that it had symbols adopted by the occult and at least one blasphemous statement misrepresenting the Lord.
I shared my opinion with him and he did not return.

The following week I saw a strange handwritten flyer on a grocery store bulletin board. As I read it, I saw that it was an invitation to attend pagan/witchcraft gatherings.
I tore it down and took it with me to check out the internet addresses listed before throwing it away. The websites were invitations occult/witchcraft pagan devil worship ceremonies.
They had obscene pictures of naked people dancing around a fire in the woods at night.
I noticed that the phone number written on the flyer looked familiar. I decided to go through my contact list. Guess who's phone number it was?

Wilbur never showed up again.
I've never heard of the copy of the book you've witnessed. The text I've known explicitly condemns those sins. No symbols at all, just testimony.
 
I've never heard of the copy of the book you've witnessed. The text I've known explicitly condemns those sins. No symbols at all, just testimony.


I should have mentioned that I don't think your book of Enoch is the same as his.
His was the only one that I ever saw illustrations in. I think it was the publishers way of superimposing archeology and occultic sigils into the text. This clever device was used by the occult to deceive the world into accepting false teaching by giving it an aer of historical credibility.
The apocryphal books are like that too, as well as the Gospel of Judas and Thomas, etc.

I'm not comparing you with Wilbur or coming down on you either. I'm just relating a personal experience that began my search to verify these books, claiming to be authored by a pre-flood believer were accurate.

I'm not expert on the book of Enoch. I only read enough of them , out of curiosity, to verify that they are not from the biblical Enoch any more than the gospel of Judas, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, thousands of writings of Ellen Gould White while in a trance. I don't have time right now to get onto it, but may touch base with you again later.
 
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I should have mentioned that I don't think your book of Enoch is the same as his.
His was the only one that I ever saw illustrations in. I think it was the publishers way of superimposing archeology and occultic sigils into the text. This clever device was used by the occult to deceive the world into accepting false teaching by giving it an aer of historical credibility.
The apocryphal books are like that too, as well as the Gospel of Judas and Thomas, etc.

I'm not comparing you with Wilbur or coming down on you either. I'm just relating a personal experience that began my search to verify these books, claiming to be authored by a pre-flood believer were accurate.

I'm not expert on the book of Enoch. I only read enough of them , out of curiosity, to verify that they are not from the biblical Enoch any more than the gospel of Judas, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, thousands of writings of Ellen Gould White while in a trance. I don't have time right now to get onto it, but may touch base with you again later.
If the content of text is as ancient as it truly is; then even at the earliest known B.C. it was wholly extant in, it was likely translated from a more abstract language than any they had at the time, with some things maybe passed down through oral tradition.