When did the anti-Israel stance start from the right?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yahshua, what prompted you to use that name? Do you think your name is in line with your comment? You posted and I am taking the time to answer it. This is your response? I'm starting to see why we have an awful lot of unmarried here who proselytize at CC.

Ad hominem. But I'll bite...

It's a form of my name. Why? Are you offended that a member with this name is calling your posts nonsense? Read the gospels rather than watch movies depicting Christ. The way I'm communicating with you is perfectly aligned with the way the Messiah spoke to Pharisees who lied and twisted scripture. And it is the way He will return to crush the nations and rule, judging His house first. This isn't a game. I'm not here to make friends. Innocent people are dying. Children are dying daily, and the chief supporters of literal antichrists committing these acts are the very people who claim to follow the Words of the One who bears a version of this name. Fakers.

I'm gracious to members I communicate with for the first time, until they show me their spirit. I'll respect you as a member here as required, but I won't respect the lies or inaccuracies you post.

Now, please don't get sidetracked. Let me know when you're finished so I can reply to this mess.


Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


And by the way, to the unmarried, Christ and Paul were unmarried, with Paul saying, "it is better for one to remain unmarried..." (1 Corinthians 7:8-9) so that their main focus can be on the Almighty if it is something one is strong enough to do.
 
Read the gospels rather than watch movies depicting Christ.

Last post all from the Bible.


The way I'm communicating with you is perfectly aligned with the way the Messiah spoke to Pharisees

You're not the Messiah.




Go to my last post, where did I lie with Scripture.

and twisted scripture.

Go to my last post, where did I twist Scripture.


And by the way, to the unmarried, Christ and Paul were unmarried,

You're neither them either.


with Paul saying, .

I know what Paul said. I wasn't speaking about unmarried specifically I said " awful lot of unmarried here who proselytize" men in particular. Otherwise known as keyboard warriors.
 
Last post all from the Bible.




You're not the Messiah.





Go to my last post, where did I lie with Scripture.



Go to my last post, where did I twist Scripture.




You're neither them either.




I know what Paul said. I wasn't speaking about unmarried specifically I said " awful lot of unmarried here who proselytize" men in particular. Otherwise known as keyboard warriors.
How big of you, how Christlike.



Now you're accusing me of lying. That's quite an accusation. Post where I lied.

Usually, when one resorts to Ad Hominem they've no more gas in the tank with regard to their arguments. Are you finished with your reply? Is this a signal for me to continue?
 
Ok. But I suspect when I start replying to each post, we'll tumble down rabbit trails. Just wanted to give you ample space to address everything you wanted to address.

No, it's not the same situation at all. Germany wasn't attacked by the Jews. They were not in the middle of a war. They weren't defending themselves. They simply wanted Jews out of the country. It's not the same situation.

Israel isn't committing genocide. Germany didn't commit total genocide, but certainly tried to wipe out the Jewish race. Germany's sole intent was to rid the world of Jews.

So which is it? A bit wishy-washy between your two points marked in red. Across several threads, your argument has remained that if you intend to commit genocide, you don't forewarn your targets, tell them where to go for safety, or help support their move (which genocidal Germany did). But now, after sharing evidence that it happened with Germany, there are"shades of grey" or "flavors of genocide"; special circumstances that make Germany's genocide "a real one...but not a total one...thus Israel's actions are...not genocidal" (???). Prettyyy convenient those special, never-before-stated, "eye of a needle" exceptions that just manifested all of a sudden for Israel. That's known as a moving goalpost fallacy.

TRAL dodging facts like...
Faster_Than_A_Speeding_Bullet_The_Mask-ezgif.com-optimize.gif
 
Lots of evil has infiltrated the church of Jesus Christ. As a formally educated Christian, I do not understand for the life of me how anyone calling themselves a Christian and studying even a basic knowledge of God's Word cannot wholly support Israel.

But yet .... Here we are in 2025 with churches embracing the alphabet soup of immortal lifestyles and supporting the murdering unborn children.

Once of the biggest tools I see Satan using is Christian Bookstores. They have gotten people away from reading Scripture and reading the plethora of "Christian" books about God's Word instead actually reading God's Word ..... Not to mention the entire line of Christian fiction.
 
No, not the entire "community" and they are not allowed to vote in the UN.

I don't even know with this comment. That's like saying Iran, Venezuela, and Sudan are not real countries because they can't vote in the UN. But anyhow...

No, they have not existed in history. You are the one who is factually inaccurate. There has never been a country or a Palestinian people. There has never been a fully independent, sovereign state of "Palestine."

1. The Romans eventually merged the province of Judea with neighboring regions and renamed it Syria Palaestina after the Jewish-Roman Wars to minimize Jewish identification with the land

True: There has never been an independent sovereign state of Palestine.

False: There has never been a country (of Palestine) or a Palestinian people.

Ignoring all the ancient maps, pictures, and formal documentation for the moment, the evidence rests in your point #1. Everyone who resided in the Roman province of Judea was called "Judean."

Judea......Judeans.​

The province had its own economy and subordinate government. After this established province was renamed, what were the residents thereby called? Hint: Twasn't Judeans anymore.

The established province changed hands, but the province remained. The people living there weren't fully cleansed from the land. Folks mistakenly assume that when Jews were exiled from Jerusalem (a city in the province of Judea, renamed Palestine), they were also exiled from the whole land, as if the entire land was just emptied out. No. Wrong. False. They were exiled from the city of Jerusalem, from their worship center. They continued to live in the land of Palestine, the established but renamed province.

When the muslims took over, they changed the official language and faith of the province. There were many ethnic Jews, too poor to leave, who converted to the faith of Islam and continued living on their land, speaking Arabic (in fulfillment of scripture). Of those who didn't convert and who didn't flee, they were required to pay taxes for military protection from foreign threats and to be allowed to still practice their faith in a limited capacity.

Title deeds in hand.

Generations passed, and the remnant who stayed, who were once descendants of ancient Israel, no longer remembered who they were, in fulfillment of scripture. Some identified as Arab Muslims, some identified as Arab Christians.


Zechariah 13:7-9 [brackets mine]
Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, against the man who is My Companion, declares the LORD of Hosts. Strike the Shepherd [Christ Crucified], and the sheep will be scattered [diaspora], and I will turn My hand against the little ones [descendants of Israel].

8 And in all the land [Palestine], declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish [destruction of Jerusalem; people cut off from homeland], but a third will be left in it [in Palestine]

9 This third I will bring through the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.


Deuteronomy 28:36-37, 49-52 [brackets mine]
The LORD will bring you and the king you appoint to a nation neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone. [Kaaba Stone of Mecca]

37 You will become an object of horror, scorn, and ridicule among all the nations to which the LORD will drive you

49 The LORD will bring a nation from afar, from the ends of the earth, to swoop down upon you like an eagle—a nation whose language you will not understand,

50 ruthless nation with no respect for the old and no pity for the young.

51 They will eat the offspring of your livestock and the produce of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain or new wine or oil, no calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks, until they have caused you to perish.

52 They will besiege all the cities throughout your land, until the high and fortified walls in which you trust have fallen. They will besiege all your cities throughout the land that the LORD your God has given you.



HalleluYah. Let Yah be true and every person a liar.


So we're treading this lie again which has already been answered. The land was under British control!! The Ottomans lost.

1. By 1947, Jewish individuals and organizations legally owned approximately 6-7% of the total land area of British Mandatory Palestine. A large portion of the remaining land was classified as "state domain" (public land) held by the British administration, while the rest was owned by Arab individuals or communities.

2. In 1947, the United Nations proposed a plan, (two state solution). The Jewish Agency accepted the plan, while the Arab leadership and surrounding Arab states rejected it. (Even though the Jews had been promised a greater piece of their own land)

You can't steal your own land.

Land in control of a greater power doesn't negate title deeds in hand or the existence of the province itself...unless you're attempting to steal that land.

To weaken the Ottomans, Britain made an agreement with Arabs to start a revolt against the Ottoman Empire in exchange for independence (McMahon–Hussein agreement of 1915-1916), which the British later acknowledged included Palestine (a real province, just not independent). The British later promised Palestine to the Zionists a year later (Declaration from Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild), and argued that Palestine was supposed to be excluded from the original agreement between them and the Arabs.

I don't know what this long response is to my direct, simple comment that the Bible tells us to bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem. I don't understand why some of you go literally ape over that comment. Is it jealousy or hate? I don't understand it.

One needs to know who the real Israelites are to properly bless them. Scripture tells us who they are because the Almighty's punishments mark/identify who they are. The Almighty was clear: their punishments will not end until they turn back to The Almighty with their whole heart, not beforehand (Deut 30).

Deut 28:46, 30:2-3
These curses will be a sign and a wonder upon you and your descendants forever.

...

When you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, 3 then He will restore you from captivity



So, considering that most Jewish people are atheists, and most Jewish theists openly mock the Messiah, scripture dictates that their punishments should be ongoing, which include: not remembering they are Israel, worshiping foreign gods (foreign religions like Islam), and living through poverty. But they're not. Jewish people claim to have never forgotten who they are, don't worship a foreign religion like Islam, and are made extremely wealthy (from financial support from all the nations). This disqualifies them as being the true descendants of Israel. The only group that historically fits the region and biblically fits the curses is the Palestinians. And as I said, their current situation fulfills the feast of tabernacles, as they're relegated to living in tents and temporary shelters.

They're by no means ALL Israel, but they are true Israel, whereas Israelis are liars.

Let Yah be true and every person a liar.

Again, let Yah be true and every person a liar.
 
Right and the Almighty promised the land to the Jews in an unconditional and everlasting covenant.

Taken temporarily, if it belongs to the Almighty, as you say, then He can give the land to whoever He wills. And He promised it to the Jews.

Study.

Leviticus 25:23
The land must not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine, and you are but foreigners and residents with Me.


And He promised the land to Israel and Judah, not to just "the Jews". Jews are 1/12 of Israel. Where are the rest of the tribes if this is the regathering? Also, "Unconditional" means there's no condition...and yet they were removed because certain conditions weren't maintained...ergo...:geek:

God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. ... Deut.

Here's the full passage (with the key portion you left out):

Deuteronomy 30:1-10
“In the future, when you experience all these blessings and curses I have listed for you, and when you are living among the nations to which the LORD your God has exiled you, take to heart all these instructions.

2 If at that time you and your children return to the LORD your God, and if you obey with all your heart and all your soul all the commands I have given you today,

3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes. He will have mercy on you and gather you back from all the nations where he has scattered you.


^^^Condition^^^

4 Even though you are banished to the ends of the earth, the LORD your God will gather you from there and bring you back again.

5 The LORD your God will return you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will possess that land again. Then he will make you even more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors!

6 “The LORD your God will change your heart and the hearts of all your descendants, so that you will love him with all your heart and soul and so you may live!

7 The LORD your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate and persecute you.

8 Then you will again obey the LORD and keep all his commands that I am giving you today.

9 “The LORD your God will then make you successful in everything you do. He will give you many children and numerous livestock, and he will cause your fields to produce abundant harvests, for the LORD will again delight in being good to you as he was to your ancestors.

10 The LORD your God will delight in you if you obey his voice and keep the commands and decrees written in this Book of Instruction, and if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.


^^^Condition^^^

The people who claim to be Israel have not done this. Everything they've gained has been through bloodshed. So they are not Israel but are liars and thieves who have come in another way.
 
So which is it? A bit wishy-washy between your two points marked in red.

No it isn't. They wanted to be rid of the Jews. The ones they couldn't force out, they murdered.


Across several threads, your argument has remained that if you intend to commit genocide, you don't forewarn your targets, tell them where to go for safety, or help support their move (which genocidal Germany did)'

No they didn't. They did not tell the Jews get out of the country because we're going to genocide them. Rich Jews were able to get out of Doge. Germany didn't help them out, tell them where to go for safety, avoid casualties. The ones left behind were forced into ghettos and if they didn't die there they went on to concentration camps where they were starved, experimented on, treated worse than animals, were gassed or shot.

make Germany's genocide "a real one...but not a total one...

Good, I'm stupid, Josh knows all. Let's have a history lesson, see if you will believe facts...

Yes, Nazi Germany committed genocide against the Jewish people during the Holocaust. This systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately six million Jews occurred between 1933 and 1945.

Systematic Planning: The persecution began with discriminatory laws to isolate Jews from German society and escalated to a plan for total annihilation, which the Nazis code-named the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question".

  • Methods of Murder: The Nazis and their collaborators used various methods for mass murder, including:
    • Mass shootings: Special mobile killing squads (Einsatzgruppen) murdered over one million Jews and others in mass shooting operations, primarily in Eastern Europe.
    • Poison gas: Six extermination camps—Auschwitz-Birkenau, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka—were established in occupied Poland for the sole purpose of efficient mass murder, primarily using poison gas in specially designed chambers.
    • Dehumanizing conditions: Millions were forced into overcrowded ghettos and concentration camps where many died from starvation, disease, exhaustion from forced labor, and brutal treatment.
  • Scale of the Atrocity: By the end of World War II, the Nazis and their allies and collaborators had murdered nearly two out of every three European Jews, totaling six million victims.
  • Documentation: The Holocaust is considered the best-documented case of genocide in history. Evidence includes extensive Nazi documents, photographs, film, and eyewitness testimonies from both survivors and perpetrators presented during post-war trials, such as the Nuremberg Trials.

thus Israel's actions are...not genocidal"

No, they are not and they are not the same actions taken by Germany against the Jews, as the facts show above.
 
Lots of evil has infiltrated the church of Jesus Christ. As a formally educated Christian, I do not understand for the life of me how anyone calling themselves a Christian and studying even a basic knowledge of God's Word cannot wholly support Israel.

But yet .... Here we are in 2025 with churches embracing the alphabet soup of immortal lifestyles and supporting the murdering unborn children.

Once of the biggest tools I see Satan using is Christian Bookstores. They have gotten people away from reading Scripture and reading the plethora of "Christian" books about God's Word instead actually reading God's Word ..... Not to mention the entire line of Christian fiction.
Well - when a Christian finally understands and accepts that modern Israel is "fiction" (please understand the context) - because, it is not 'biblical Israel' - then, and only then, will they begin to have a proper understanding of the true reality of the situation.

Most Christians with "even a basic knowledge of God's Word" seem to think that 1948 was the fulfillment of the Dry Bones prophecy; however, a deeper knowledge and understanding of Bible prophecy will clearly show that it was/is absolutely not so.

The establishment of this simple fact alone does away with any possibility of modern Israel being 'biblical Israel'.

Now - just think about that for a little while and let it sink in...

Part of the 'evil' that "has infiltrated the church of Jesus Christ" is a collection of non-biblical 'lies' that modern Church folk have come to believe.

You are most certainly correct about people getting away from scripture - the great failing is that people do not have a sufficient understanding of scripture - especially where prophecy is concerned.

The real problem is that no one is listening to what the Bible really actually says - to what God is trying to tell them.

So - folks need to swallow their pride - and, in complete humility (before God), study the Bible to see what it really actually says.

Support real-and-true 'biblical Israel' - sure - absolutely - but - blind support of the you-know-not-what "fake" Israel is just foolish.

Folks need to understand what the true reality is and adjust their belief system accordingly. Start trusting more in the Word of God and not so much in the lies told/made by modern man.

Every Christian needs to know just exactly what they are supporting.
 
I don't even know with this comment.

Simple. Palestine is not a country.

True: There has never been an independent sovereign state of Palestine.

False: There has never been a country (of Palestine) or a Palestinian people.

You saying it ten times then calling everyone else a liar, doesn't change the facts of history and make you right.

There was never an independent country known as "Palestine. Google...

"Before the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan to divide Palestine into two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs, the latter residents never regarded themselves as a distinct people with a separate Palestinian identity. Indeed, in 1937, mid-way through the British Mandate, a local Arab leader told the Palestine Royal Commission, “There is no such Country [as Palestine]. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented! Our country for centuries was part of Syria.”

Throughout human history, whenever the word Palestine was used it referred to a place in the Middle East whose most distinctive feature was its continuous Jewish occupation. According to nearly all traditional definitions, Palestine is the land of the Jews: the country of the Hebrews; the Holy Land; the Promised Land; the location of Zion. During the British Mandate (1922-1948), it was the Jewish people who were called Palestinians. It was the Israeli capture of the West Bank from Jordan in the Six-Day War in 1967, not some ancient sense of nationalism, that gave birth to an organized demand for an autonomous Palestinian state. And it was not until 1988 that the Palestine Liberation Organization declared its aim of creating a Palestinian Arab state separate from the neighbouring Arab states.


The absence before 1948 of any sense of Palestinian identity, apart from the occupation of lands that were always owned by outsiders such as the Ottoman Turks, is because there is no unique and separate Palestinian language, religion, nationality, or culture. The people who have recently begun calling themselves Palestinians are the Arab Moslem descendants of numerous localized lineages, clans, and tribal groups. A strong sense of pan-Arab identity and belief in Islam, not some fictitious ethnic identity, are what has always united the “Palestinians.”



The only group that historically fits the region and biblically fits the curses is the Palestinians. And as I said, their current situation fulfills the feast of tabernacles, as they're relegated to living in tents and temporary shelte

No such thing. The Jews will inherit the land. If by Palestinians you mean the Jews then you are correct. The Romans gave that name to the region to humiliate the Jews. Never was a country.
 
"Unconditional" means there's no condition...and yet they were removed because certain conditions weren't maintained...ergo...:geek:


You understand, there is moree than one covenant, correct??


The people who claim to be Israel have not done this.

If this is your claim about Palestinians, its a made up somewhere in your mind. Even the Palestinians would try to claim they never shed blood. That's a fantastic and out right lie. Palestinians/Arabs have attacked Israel again and again, hence the need for the Iron Dome.


Everything they've gained has been through bloodshed. So they are not Israel but are liars and thieves who have come in another way.

No, not true, talk about twisting Scriptures. God scattered, He will/is regathering the Jews back to their homeland, just as the verses said that I shared. God will restore the Jews to their homeland, not Arabs, the Jews. Abrahamic covenant, unconditional and everlasting.
 
The real problem is that no one is listening to what the Bible really actually says - to what God is trying to tell them.
I said this in a generalist kind of way - not literally "no one" - but that there was a sort of across-the-board "drastic deafness" among people-at-large. (Or, Christians in particular.)
 
You understand, there is moree than one covenant, correct??




If this is your claim about Palestinians, its a made up somewhere in your mind. Even the Palestinians would try to claim they never shed blood. That's a fantastic and out right lie. Palestinians/Arabs have attacked Israel again and again, hence the need for the Iron Dome.




No, not true, talk about twisting Scriptures. God scattered, He will/is regathering the Jews back to their homeland, just as the verses said that I shared. God will restore the Jews to their homeland, not Arabs, the Jews. Abrahamic covenant, unconditional and everlasting.

i have interacted with yahshua several times over the years, and with that past experience i can tell you that he does not believe in the New Covenant, he thinks there is a renewed covenant, and that one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved.

he is hebrew roots. i won't take the time to go into all the beliefs they have, but they are what Paul called " judaizers".
 
God scattered, He will/is regathering the Jews back to their homeland, just as the verses said that I shared.
In this thread, you made mention of Romans 11 (the whole chapter - twice, I believe) and the following in post #58 :

For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” Jer.

He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Is.

I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God. Amos


Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. Jer.

Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’

I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God. Amos

... it shall no longer be said, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’ but ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the north country and out of all the countries where he had driven them.’ For I will bring them back to their own land that I gave to their fathers. Jer

God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. ... Deut.

“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands far away; say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.’ Jer

And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the Lord.” Ezk.

Would you please consider taking the time to post book-chapter-verse with scripture? Or, at least book-chapter? Folks can/could still find it; however, having the extra information sure makes it quicker to find - book-chapter-verse is best as you can go straight to it... (no searching)

After this list, you said:

There are more, but this makes the point.
My question is - makes what point exactly?

I do not think that anyone - including @Yahshua - disagrees with you about 'what' God said He would do - the critical question is 'when'.

Nowhere in the above list of verses does it indicate the 'when' - only the 'what'. Therefore, if you want to convince anyone that these verses are being fulfilled today, you need to post verses that also indicate the 'when' - and/or, show how it is tied into the actual facts about the events of history up to today.

Likewise, Romans 11 does not [specifically] indicate the 'when' - only the 'what'.

You need to search the scriptures for the 'when'. Then, see whether or not that matches up to today. ;)

And, if you should happen to say:

"Well - why don't you save me some time and just show me the 'when' in scripture?"

To which I would say:

"I do not need to - I believe Yahshua has been trying to do that - over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over - for several months now..."

:coffee:
 
i have interacted with yahshua several times over the years, and with that past experience i can tell you that he does not believe in the New Covenant, he thinks there is a renewed covenant, and that one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved.

he is hebrew roots. i won't take the time to go into all the beliefs they have, but they are what Paul called " judaizers".
If this is what @Yahshua believes - then, it is something that he and I do not see eye-to-eye - and, will/would have to "agree to disagree agreeably"; however, when it comes to this particular topic - I believe that - more than anyone on this site, including myself - he is very well read, researched, and studied - and, understands the true reality concerning the existence of modern Israel - with specific regard to scripture.

If he is wrong in any way concerning modern Israel - then someone needs to [please] show me some scripture and reasoning that will make sense of the contrary. Because, I am interested in knowing the truth above all else. But, I have not seen any such scripture or reasoning. My own Bible study has revealed what I consider to be the reality today concerning modern Israel - it is not 'biblical Israel'. Jesus Himself will bring 'biblical Israel' back into existence when He comes. Israel will be 'biblical Israel' during the Millennium - and not before...

(Please understand that I am talking about the existence of the nation of Israel as being 'biblical Israel'. There does exist prophecy concerning Jews that will be fulfilled before-or-at the Second Coming of Christ. However, this is a separate issue/topic. Related - yes - but, different in scope.)
 
If this is what @Yahshua believes - then, it is something that he and I do not see eye-to-eye - and, will/would have to "agree to disagree agreeably"; however, when it comes to this particular topic - I believe that - more than anyone on this site, including myself - he is very well read, researched, and studied - and, understands the true reality concerning the existence of modern Israel - with specific regard to scripture.

If he is wrong in any way concerning modern Israel - then someone needs to [please] show me some scripture and reasoning that will make sense of the contrary. Because, I am interested in knowing the truth above all else. But, I have not seen any such scripture or reasoning. My own Bible study has revealed what I consider to be the reality today concerning modern Israel - it is not 'biblical Israel'. Jesus Himself will bring 'biblical Israel' back into existence when He comes. Israel will be 'biblical Israel' during the Millennium - and not before...

(Please understand that I am talking about the existence of the nation of Israel as being 'biblical Israel'. There does exist prophecy concerning Jews that will be fulfilled before-or-at the Second Coming of Christ. However, this is a separate issue/topic. Related - yes - but, different in scope.)

i have not interacted with him in a long time, but when i did, he had the beliefs i stated above.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
“Israel is right, defend them always”.

What you said there, is a fundamentalistic, black/white, totally irrational way of thinking. In my opinion.
Do not defend any state, if so Israel, automatically. Instead, defend your own values in life.
 
Jesus Himself will bring 'biblical Israel' back into existence when He comes. Israel will be 'biblical Israel' during the Millennium - and not before...
In other words, Jesus Himself will fulfill the Dry Bones prophecy when/after He comes.