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No, straight out facts! I always am direct, always! I am talking about proven history and facts. What did they do to Israel on Oct 7 th?? [Hamas attacked and killed military personnel and took hostages. The IOF then killed most of the casualties on that day per the Hannibal doctrine to prevent capture.]
You are trying to justify that!!! [Yes, Oct 7th is 100% justified. 1. An occupied people have every right to defend themselves against their oppressors by international law. 2. The occupied power can't claim self-defence per international law.]
Israel has NOT kidnapped babies and strangled them to death [yes, they frequently kidnapped little boys and girls, send them to detainment without crime, and kill them inside].
Israel has not raped women they kidnapped [Yes, they have raped multiple children since the occupation began. In fact, IOF officials have gone on record to say rape against people they detail/arrest is perfectly legal or should be].
Israel has not shot children in front parents [yes, they have, multiple times. In fact, they did during a march for peace just 1 month before Oct 7th] and sent the video to the family [they post video on social media, celebrating it and mocking Palestinians].
So if you're coming don't come denying facts and talking about fruit.
The fact that you still don't acknowledge any of this after so many members here have provided video proof, independent reports, and official statements, even from Jewish journalists on the ground, means you willfully choose not to believe facts.
I don't even think you believe what you're saying here, evidenced by so many exclamation points. You're trying earnestly to defend the bunk you're posting about them because the alternative - that you've been deceived into supporting liars - is a terrifying prospect.
The Holocaust, that was genocide. We learned about that in school. Why is everyone having such a hard time suddenly with such a simple word?! The Armenian Genocide, The Cambodian Genocide,
The Rwandan Genocide, excellent movies on both the Holocaust and the Rwandan Genocide. This was all learned in school. Why suddenly are people needing to define genocide like it's a brand new word?
Not sure why folk are having difficulty comprehending simple questions. Can you please
define what "genocide" is from your pov? I didn't ask for examples of genocide. "
Reading is fundamental."
So you're going to defend Palestinians and say that on Oct 7 they didn't (as with genocide cause) deliberate, systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, involving acts like killing, causing serious harm)??
Notice how you're clearly blaming the Palestinians for Oct 7th. Did the Palestinians commit Oct 7th, or did the (now labeled) terrorist group Hamas? I'm curious how you'll spin this feudian slip. If you say Hamas and Palestinians are one and the same, you're no different than the Israelis who believe that there are no innocent Palestinians and that even the children are Hamas; no different than any racist individual who blames an entire ethnic population for the actions of a smaller group. I'll remind you that the Palestinians have no military. They didn't even have an internationally recognized state until last year.
This also shows you seemingly haven't a clue what genocide is if you're claiming Oct 7th was an act of genocide. Reread the definition you've posted slowly.
Excuse me, please explain what "from the river to the sea" (sometimes with the refrain Palestine is Arab) means.
Surely.
In the 1920s and 30s, Ze'ev Jabotinsky’s Revisionist movement sought a Jewish state on
both sides of the Jordan River. Their anthem included the lyric, "
The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too" So as early as 1920, Zionists were claiming ALL of the land despite other groups possessing territory.
The phrase was explicitly used in the founding 1977 manifesto of the Likud Party (Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's party), which stated: "
Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Notice that this is long after the establishment of the state of Israel and after the six day war. So clearly, Palestinians were living under military occupation after more of their land was taken even after the establishment of 1967 boarders.
Then, in 1987, during the first intifada, the Palestinians co-opted and adapted this
Israeli phrase for the first time, chanting (in full), "
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".
Open-book test: Who originated the phrase? And what does it mean?
Israel originated the phrase.
For Israelis to say it, it's a genocidal phrase.
For Palestinians to say it, it's a phase of liberation.
This is what I mean when I say that for most of the supporters of these murderers, your knowledge of history starts in 1933 or (sadly) much later on Oct 7th. Absolutely clueless.
Oct 7 , constant attacks down through the years starting when Israel was first reformed in 48 and the Arabs thought they were weak.
Did you know that twisting words was known in biblical history as a form of witchcraft? It's true because the tactic sought to change perception. The tactic is so commonplace today that most of us don't realize when we're doing it.
I'm not going to let you twist the convo. "Plan the mass murder of them, often involving military units." Firstly, we're talking about Palestinians (a specific group), not Arabs. Secondly, Palestinians have no military but Israel does. Third, the operative word is mass murder, which Oct 7th was to take hostages. The only party that killed most of the victims on Oct 7th was the IOF executing the Hannibal doctrine.
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Israel has 3000 yrs of archaeological of their presence in the land [I've already shared scientific proof that these people never had a presence in the land. Converting to a religion does not change one's ethnicity or genetic background].
The land is historically and Biblically theirs [Not historically or biblically. The land is the Almighty's, quite clearly said in scripture].
The land was taken from them. We know that is a consequence of their failure to obey God [about the only factual statement you said. It was taken from Israel because of disobedience, because the land is the Almighty's.].
But God made a promise of a land and named the borders. He will one day restore that land to the Jewish people just as He promised [no, he didn't say this. I'll wait and see if you catch your error. This is the fundamental ignorance of a lack of study that satan counts on].
But if you disbelieve the Word, historically the land still belongs to them. And in the name of history, Israel didn't take the land, they paid for the land they already owned [Palestinians presented title deeds to their land going back generations to when it was "British-occupied Palestine"; deeds that were ignored when they were ethnically cleansed from areas].
And it was nothing but swamp land [It's a good thing many prominent Jewish people are awakening to this "land without a people for a people without a land" lie.]. The land was divided up, it wasn't Israel who offered the land in 48, it was the Brits.
In what universe is it legal to sell stolen property?
Umm Humm and some are believing what the Word says and doing what we were commanded to do, bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem.
This isn't what most are doing because they're busy denying their right to the land of their heritage. And how could they, they don't know enough about scripture to realize that the punishments placed upon the people by the Almighty
mark who they are incuding:
- forget their identity as Israel
- follow a false religion
- would be poor and destitute
...all of which modern Israelis claim they've
never experienced.
It would be laughable if it weren't tragic. The Almighty even told His people to rehearse the
feast of tabernacles in the fall year after year, because one day they'd be required to
live in tents and temporary dwelling places starting in the fall.
Scripture fulfilled.
So then out of hand, you're saying these two (in your words) "beautiful" boys
Full stop, what are you trying to say? I'll await an answer, then I'll look at the rest of your post.
Calling them "beautiful" does nothing to strengthen your point but only serves to manipulate emotions. It doesn't matter whether they were beautiful. Facts only. Your comment hints at showing more favor to these two red-headed boys than to the tens of thousands of boys who are brown-skinned who have been killed so far by the IOF, which makes sense if you believe they're all Hamas.