When did the anti-Israel stance start from the right?

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A rather cowardly move to name call a person then put them on ignore. How childish.


Don't worry. God saw the whole thing and notes how they have continually ignored the Holy Spirit's leading into all truth. In the meanwhile they still think they're grafted into His branches. That's what strong delusion does.


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even if some criticisms of Israel are legitimate, the fact still remains, Israel possesses the firepower to turn Gaza into a parking lot over a weekend and they don't do it.

if you were to reverse that power dynamic, there wouldn't be a Jew Left alive

asenine statement.

1. The entire Gaza strip IS a parking lot. There's nothing left standing. Even graveyards were leveled by bulldozers as if Hammas hiding between gravestones?

2. What proof suggests that Palestinians would do to Israelis even a fraction of what Israel has done to them if the roles were reversed?

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We're living in bizzaro world where the people actually committing genocidal acts [Israelis] are forgiven and/or protected by the world because of their claimed name, while the people who've never done those things [Palestinians] - and who in fact, historically protected, defended, AND housed Jews when all the world was against them - are now vilified/demonized as if they committed the Holocaust in Nazi Germany...because of their claimed name.

...and all it would take is an honest study of both history and the scriptures without external manipulation to see who's really who...but most Christians won't spend the energy to do that. Instead, for most, history began in 1933...and for others, it began on October 7th. The level of extreme ignorance about what is going on is disgusting, embarrassing, and dangerous, as hundreds continue to die even during this "ceasefire" that Israelis keep breaking (like they break every agreement).

The Messiah said, "You will know them by the fruit they bear. A good tree can not bear bad fruit, and a bad tree can not bear good fruit". In other words, actions reveal who people really are, regardless of what they label themselves. His words are true for those who call themselves "Israel", they're true for those who call themselves "Christian", and they're true for those who call themselves "arab" and "muslim".

Many of the very same Christians who refuse to study but blindly support and aplogize for evil actions from evil people (all because of a claimed name), will be those crying their eyes out when the Messiah tells them, "Get away from me, I never knew you because you never helped me in my time of need", as they finally realize who He was talking about.
 
asenine statement.


2. What proof suggests that Palestinians would do to Israelis even a fraction of what Israel has done to them if the roles were reversed?
77 years of history! 77 years of them refusing peace plan after peace plan, calling for intifada, screaming "from the river to the sea" (calling for genocide of Jews) constantly attacking Israel instead of


We're living in bizzaro world where the people actually committing genocidal acts [Israelis] are forgiven and/or protected by the world

Israel isn't committing genocide. When you're trying to wipe out a people because of their race, you don't ring them up and tell them you're coming, where you will be and what time you will be there. Like the Nazis did in an ACTUAL attempt at genocide, they showed up, threw the Jews in trucks/trains and murdered them at the end of the line. Israel's target is Hamas. They are trying to defend themselves against yet another genocide attempt of the Jews, or did you forget Oct.7 ??

while the people who've never done those things [Palestinians] - and who in fact, historically protected, defended, AND housed Jews when all the world was against them

- are now vilified/demonized as if they committed the Holocaust in Nazi Germany...because of their claimed name.

We've had this discussion before. No such people as Palestinians. It's a made up name used politically against Israel. What exactly have they " never done"?

...and all it would take is an honest study of both history and the scriptures without external manipulation to see who's really who...but most Christians won't spend the energy to do that. Instead, for most, history began in 1933...and for others, it began on October 7th. The level of extreme ignorance about what is going on is disgusting, embarrassing, and dangerous, as hundreds continue to die even during this "ceasefire" that Israelis keep breaking (like they break every agreement).

You ought to take your own advice! Arabs(Palestinians) were offered a two state solution at the very beginning and they didn't take it and they have turned down every single peace offer since then. Even Bill Clinton said they were impossible to please.



The Messiah said, "You will know them by the fruit they bear. A good tree can not bear bad fruit, and a bad tree can not bear good fruit". In other words, actions reveal who people really are, regardless of what they label themselves. His words are true for those who call themselves "Israel", they're true for those who call themselves "Christian", and they're true for those who call themselves "arab" and "muslim".

So, out of hand you want everyone to ignore Muslim/Arab history? Don't make me call @Magenta in here to tell who's fruit is rotten.


Many of the very same Christians who refuse to study but blindly support and aplogize for evil actions from evil people

So let's talk about the repeated rape of female hostages from Oct 7. Or the murder of this family...

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Does this mother look like she's going with good people who have good fruit??? Or does she look wild eyed frightened for her boys and herself, which she was right. The boys were strangled and their skulls were beaten in. That's some good fruit there. huh???? I'm not a mother, but I have a nephew turning two years old. A beautiful little red headed boy, just like the Bibas (say THEIR name) boys. Those that murdered this mother and her boys in this horrific fashion should be executed and their bodies hung for all to see. The things they did on Oct 7 are sick and everyone they find should be executed and hung in public. How sick have you got to be to murder two innocent little boys.
 
77 years of history! 77 years of them refusing peace plan after peace plan, calling for intifada, screaming "from the river to the sea" (calling for genocide of Jews) constantly attacking Israel instead of

I'm looking for facts, not emotion, hyperbole, or insinuation. Facts please. The question was: " What proof suggests that Palestinians would do to Israelis even a fraction of what Israel has done to them?"

To answer this question, you need to start with what the Israelis have DONE to them.

Israel isn't committing genocide. When you're trying to wipe out a people because of their race, you don't ring them up and tell them you're coming, where you will be and what time you will be there. Like the Nazis did in an ACTUAL attempt at genocide, they showed up, threw the Jews in trucks/trains and murdered them at the end of the line. Israel's target is Hamas. They are trying to defend themselves against yet another genocide attempt of the Jews, or did you forget Oct.7 ??

Define genocide, please. From this reply, it seems you have no clue what it means. Once we're aligned, then we can continue.

We've had this discussion before. No such people as Palestinians. It's a made up name used politically against Israel. What exactly have they " never done"?

There's no such person named "ThereRoseaLamb" either, not until the name was created here, but such doesn't negate the fact that the person currently assuming the name has existed long before the name was furnished here. Otherwise, it would be extremely idiotic of me to say the person assuming the name didn't previously exist until CC and would only serve to invalidate the current existence of the one using the name...because how else would anyone know who I was referring to if I didn't use the name "ThereRoseaLamb"? So likewise with Palestinians. Or we can refer to them as The Originals or The True People if you prefer.

As to what the Palestinians have "never done", genocidal acts. But as I said, it's important to align on what genocide is. Conjuring up a fantastical definition from one's brain won't work here.

The Original people of the land have never (per Dr. Standon's model of Stages of Genocide in alignment with the Geneva Convention):

- Divided Israelis into "us" and "them".

- Excluded groups from their society.

- Denied the humanity of a group, equating them to animals, as is done to them.

- Plan the mass murder of them, often involving military units.

- Used propaganda to create distance and division.

- Persecuted and Exterminated, while denying the act or covering it up. This is typically the final stage of genocide.

The Israelis are guilty of each one of these against The Original people.

You ought to take your own advice! Arabs(Palestinians) were offered a two state solution at the very beginning and they didn't take it and they have turned down every single peace offer since then. Even Bill Clinton said they were impossible to please.

Case in point. There's a special kind of hell waiting for people who believe they can steal property and think themselves generous and altruistic to offer back only some of it, claiming the victims are being unreasonable while continuing to steal more of that property every day while no one is looking.

It's a waste of time to point out that stealing is against The Almighty's Law. Yet somehow those stolen from are "wrong" for wanting no less than full recovery as prescribed in that very Law. But who am I kidding? No one's concerned with obedience anyhow, regardless of covenant. Bizzaro world. Many are play-pretending they're Christians supporting those who are play-pretending they're Jews and it's all for greed.

So, out of hand you want everyone to ignore Muslim/Arab history? Don't make me call @Magenta in here to tell who's fruit is rotten.

I'm going to assume you missed the context of my post. I'm quite sure I said an honest study of history and scripture will show who's really who. Can't do that if history is ignored. If you'd like us to dive into the history of Jews, Arabs, and Christians, including who protected versus who persecuted whom, we can.

So let's talk about the repeated rape of female hostages from Oct 7. Or the murder of this family...

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Does this mother look like she's going with good people who have good fruit??? Or does she look wild eyed frightened for her boys and herself, which she was right. The boys were strangled and their skulls were beaten in. That's some good fruit there. huh???? I'm not a mother, but I have a nephew turning two years old. A beautiful little red headed boy, just like the Bibas (say THEIR name) boys. Those that murdered this mother and her boys in this horrific fashion should be executed and their bodies hung for all to see. The things they did on Oct 7 are sick and everyone they find should be executed and hung in public. How sick have you got to be to murder two innocent little boys.

So then out of hand, you're saying these two (in your words) "beautiful" boys are worth more to you than the (at least) Twenty Thousand "nonexistent" Palestinian children starving (many of who don't have red hair but have brown skin), walking around limbless, and being ripped apart by 2000lb bombs for 2 years in a "safe zone" they were previously told to migrate to, while other boys are girls are repeatedly detained elsewhere with no charges, and then raped daily while in confinement.

^This is an example of emotional manipulation. I don't really respond well to emotional manipulation, so let stick to the scripture, which you didn't address.

Many of the very same Christians who refuse to study but blindly support and aplogize for evil actions from evil people (all because of a claimed name), will be those crying their eyes out when the Messiah tells them, "Get away from me, I never knew you because you never helped me in my time of need", as they finally realize who He was talking about.

Let's dive into the history and the scriptures.

Call Magenta if you need some help.
 
I know not every conservative is a Christian but it’s still whiplash in many conservative forums where there’s a big anti conservative stance. Reading Fox News moments about Israel and its overwhelming negative forwards that nation. I’m Christian, go to church and the consensus I always “Israel is right, defend them always”. I don’t remember the vitriol towards them ever like this. I expected it from the left but never from the right. Are Christians simply in their own bubble and island at the moment?
This does not define what you mean by "anti Israel".

For example, at the time of Solomon and Adonijah, they were both descendants of King David, some supported Adonijah becoming King, and some supported Solomon. If I stand with Solomon that doesn't make me anti Israel, only anti Adonijah.

Today we have Jesus Christ. He is the true King of Israel. I stand with Jesus, He is the anointed one, the Christ, the king. Now supporters of the Antichrist, foreshadowed by Adonijah, will accuse me of being "anti Adonijah (that is true) and they will equate that with being anti Israel). But they are simply trying to usurp the throne from King Solomon (fore shadowing Jesus Christ).

My point is this, why are you letting people who reject Jesus Christ as the legitimate king of Israel define what it is to be "anti Israel"? That is the same as letting supporters of Adonijah define supporters of King Solomon as "anti Israel".

So then, I reject your premise. No one who has rejected Jesus Christ as the legitimate King of Israel has any ground to tell me what "anti Israel" is. Likewise accusing anyone of being "anti Israel" is not a valid reason to support the antichrist.
 
I'm looking for facts, not emotion, hyperbole, or insinuation. Facts please. The question was: " What proof suggests that Palestinians would do to Israelis even a fraction of what Israel has done to them?"


No, straight out facts! I always am direct, always! I am talking about proven history and facts. What did they do to Israel on Oct 7 th?? You are trying to justify that !!! Israel has NOT kidnapped babies and strangled them to death. Israel has not raped women they kidnapped. Israel has not shot children in front parents and sent the video to the family. So if you're coming don't come denying facts and talking about fruit.


Define genocide, please. From this reply, it seems you have no clue what it means. Once we're aligned, then we can continue.

The Holocaust, that was genocide. We learned about that in school. Why is everyone having such a hard time suddenly with such a simple word?! The Armenian Genocide, The Cambodian Genocide,
The Rwandan Genocide, excellent movies on both the Holocaust and the Rwandan Genocide. This was all learned in school. Why suddenly are people needing to define genocide like it's a brand new word?




There's no such person named "ThereRoseaLamb" either,

The name is a made up name. I made up the name. I exist. If I said "there Rose is a lamb" is a country or a group of people that would be wrong. That wouldn't be fact.


So likewise with Palestinians.

No, it is not the same as with the Palestinians. A simple look at historic facts and Arabs in their own words saying they were not Palestinians. I posted that some time back in one of these Israel themed threads.

As to what the Palestinians have "never done", genocidal acts.
But as I said, it's important to align on what genocide is. Conjuring up a fantastical definition from one's brain won't work here.

So you're going to defend Palestinians and say that on Oct 7 they didn't (as with genocide cause) deliberate, systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, involving acts like killing, causing serious harm)??


The Original people of the land have never (per Dr. Standon's model of Stages of Genocide in alignment with the Geneva Convention):

- Divided Israelis into "us" and "them".
- Excluded groups from their society.

- Denied the humanity of a group, equating them to animals, as is done to them.

Excuse me, please explain what "from the river to the sea" (sometimes with the refrain Palestine is Arab) means.


- Plan the mass murder of them, often involving military units.

Oct 7 , constant attacks down through the years starting when Israel was first reformed in 48 and the Arabs thought they were weak.

- Used propaganda to create distance and division.

So calling for Intifada, calling them infidels from the river to the sea, ever read the Quran?

- Persecuted and Exterminated, while denying the act or covering it up. This is typically the final stage of genocide.

The Israelis are guilty of each one of these against The Original people.

If your intent is to exterminate a people, and legally intent matters, you don't tell people you are coming, you don't call them, knock on doors, send flyers telling people where to go for safety. You don't help move those people or send food relief.

Case in point. There's a special kind of hell waiting for people who believe they can steal property and think themselves generous and altruistic to offer back only some of it
, claiming the victims are being unreasonable while continuing to steal more of that property every day while no one is looking. It's a waste of time to point out that stealing is against The Almighty's Law. Yet somehow those stolen from are "wrong" for wanting no less than full recovery as prescribed in that very Law.

Israel has 3000 yrs of archaeological of their presence in the land. The land is historically and Biblically theirs. The land was taken from them. We know that is a consequence of their failure to obey God. But God made a promise of a land and named the borders. He will one day restore that land to the Jewish people just as He promised. But if you disbelieve the Word, historically the land still belongs to them. And in the name of history, Israel didn't take the land, they paid for the land they already owned. And it was nothing but swamp land. The land was divided up, it wasn't Israel who offered the land in 48, it was the Brits.


Many are play-pretending they're Christians supporting those who are play-pretending they're Jews and it's all for greed.

Umm Humm and some are believing what the Word says and doing what we were commanded to do, bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem.

I'm going to assume you missed the context of my post. I'm quite sure I said an honest study of history and scripture will show who's really who. Can't do that if history is ignored. If you'd like us to dive into the history of Jews, Arabs, and Christians, including who protected versus who persecuted whom, we can.

Well you haven't followed history so far but hope springs eternal.

So then out of hand, you're saying these two (in your words) "beautiful" boys

Full stop, what are you trying to say? I'll await an answer, then I'll look at the rest of your post.
 
No one who has rejected Jesus Christ as the legitimate King of Israel has any ground to tell me what "anti Israel" is. Likewise accusing anyone of being "anti Israel" is not a valid reason to support the antichrist.

Romans 11 tells you not to boast of your position. I'd be careful how I spoke about God's chosen people.
 
Romans 11 tells you not to boast of your position. I'd be careful how I spoke about God's chosen people.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

I was very specific in referring to those who rejected Jesus as the Christ and who were standing with Adonijah and who were saying that those who were standing with Jesus were "anti Israel".

Likewise God in Romans 11 is very specific, He has reserved a "remnant", not the majority, a small minority, and they are the ones who have not bowed the knee to Baal, therefore we can also infer that the majority of "Israelites" have bowed the knee, they are not the remnant.

Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

I did not say any of that. All I said is I am not going to allow someone who is standing with Adonijah to judge me as being "anti Israel" because I am standing with Jesus Christ, the King of Israel.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

That is the point. When we stand up and proclaim that Jesus Christ is the true king of Israel it will provoke them to jealousy. That is according to the will of God.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

This is what Paul did. He "magnified his office". In other words he let the Jews know that he was serving the King of the Jews and that by rejecting Jesus they were siding with Adonijah, a type of the antichrist.
 
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No, straight out facts! I always am direct, always! I am talking about proven history and facts. What did they do to Israel on Oct 7 th?? [Hamas attacked and killed military personnel and took hostages. The IOF then killed most of the casualties on that day per the Hannibal doctrine to prevent capture.]

You are trying to justify that!!! [Yes, Oct 7th is 100% justified. 1. An occupied people have every right to defend themselves against their oppressors by international law. 2. The occupied power can't claim self-defence per international law.]

Israel has NOT kidnapped babies and strangled them to death [yes, they frequently kidnapped little boys and girls, send them to detainment without crime, and kill them inside].

Israel has not raped women they kidnapped [Yes, they have raped multiple children since the occupation began. In fact, IOF officials have gone on record to say rape against people they detail/arrest is perfectly legal or should be].

Israel has not shot children in front parents [yes, they have, multiple times. In fact, they did during a march for peace just 1 month before Oct 7th] and sent the video to the family [they post video on social media, celebrating it and mocking Palestinians].

So if you're coming don't come denying facts and talking about fruit.

The fact that you still don't acknowledge any of this after so many members here have provided video proof, independent reports, and official statements, even from Jewish journalists on the ground, means you willfully choose not to believe facts.

I don't even think you believe what you're saying here, evidenced by so many exclamation points. You're trying earnestly to defend the bunk you're posting about them because the alternative - that you've been deceived into supporting liars - is a terrifying prospect.

The Holocaust, that was genocide. We learned about that in school. Why is everyone having such a hard time suddenly with such a simple word?! The Armenian Genocide, The Cambodian Genocide,
The Rwandan Genocide, excellent movies on both the Holocaust and the Rwandan Genocide. This was all learned in school. Why suddenly are people needing to define genocide like it's a brand new word?

Not sure why folk are having difficulty comprehending simple questions. Can you please define what "genocide" is from your pov? I didn't ask for examples of genocide. "Reading is fundamental."

So you're going to defend Palestinians and say that on Oct 7 they didn't (as with genocide cause) deliberate, systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, involving acts like killing, causing serious harm)??

Notice how you're clearly blaming the Palestinians for Oct 7th. Did the Palestinians commit Oct 7th, or did the (now labeled) terrorist group Hamas? I'm curious how you'll spin this feudian slip. If you say Hamas and Palestinians are one and the same, you're no different than the Israelis who believe that there are no innocent Palestinians and that even the children are Hamas; no different than any racist individual who blames an entire ethnic population for the actions of a smaller group. I'll remind you that the Palestinians have no military. They didn't even have an internationally recognized state until last year.

This also shows you seemingly haven't a clue what genocide is if you're claiming Oct 7th was an act of genocide. Reread the definition you've posted slowly.

Excuse me, please explain what "from the river to the sea" (sometimes with the refrain Palestine is Arab) means.

Surely.

In the 1920s and 30s, Ze'ev Jabotinsky’s Revisionist movement sought a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan River. Their anthem included the lyric, "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too" So as early as 1920, Zionists were claiming ALL of the land despite other groups possessing territory.

The phrase was explicitly used in the founding 1977 manifesto of the Likud Party (Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's party), which stated: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Notice that this is long after the establishment of the state of Israel and after the six day war. So clearly, Palestinians were living under military occupation after more of their land was taken even after the establishment of 1967 boarders.

Then, in 1987, during the first intifada, the Palestinians co-opted and adapted this Israeli phrase for the first time, chanting (in full), "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".

Open-book test: Who originated the phrase? And what does it mean?

Israel originated the phrase.

For Israelis to say it, it's a genocidal phrase.

For Palestinians to say it, it's a phase of liberation.​

This is what I mean when I say that for most of the supporters of these murderers, your knowledge of history starts in 1933 or (sadly) much later on Oct 7th. Absolutely clueless.

Oct 7 , constant attacks down through the years starting when Israel was first reformed in 48 and the Arabs thought they were weak.

Did you know that twisting words was known in biblical history as a form of witchcraft? It's true because the tactic sought to change perception. The tactic is so commonplace today that most of us don't realize when we're doing it.

I'm not going to let you twist the convo. "Plan the mass murder of them, often involving military units." Firstly, we're talking about Palestinians (a specific group), not Arabs. Secondly, Palestinians have no military but Israel does. Third, the operative word is mass murder, which Oct 7th was to take hostages. The only party that killed most of the victims on Oct 7th was the IOF executing the Hannibal doctrine.


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Israel has 3000 yrs of archaeological of their presence in the land [I've already shared scientific proof that these people never had a presence in the land. Converting to a religion does not change one's ethnicity or genetic background].

The land is historically and Biblically theirs [Not historically or biblically. The land is the Almighty's, quite clearly said in scripture].

The land was taken from them. We know that is a consequence of their failure to obey God [about the only factual statement you said. It was taken from Israel because of disobedience, because the land is the Almighty's.].

But God made a promise of a land and named the borders. He will one day restore that land to the Jewish people just as He promised [no, he didn't say this. I'll wait and see if you catch your error. This is the fundamental ignorance of a lack of study that satan counts on].

But if you disbelieve the Word, historically the land still belongs to them. And in the name of history, Israel didn't take the land, they paid for the land they already owned [Palestinians presented title deeds to their land going back generations to when it was "British-occupied Palestine"; deeds that were ignored when they were ethnically cleansed from areas].

And it was nothing but swamp land [It's a good thing many prominent Jewish people are awakening to this "land without a people for a people without a land" lie.]. The land was divided up, it wasn't Israel who offered the land in 48, it was the Brits.

In what universe is it legal to sell stolen property?

Umm Humm and some are believing what the Word says and doing what we were commanded to do, bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem.

This isn't what most are doing because they're busy denying their right to the land of their heritage. And how could they, they don't know enough about scripture to realize that the punishments placed upon the people by the Almighty mark who they are incuding:

- forget their identity as Israel
- follow a false religion
- would be poor and destitute

...all of which modern Israelis claim they've never experienced.

It would be laughable if it weren't tragic. The Almighty even told His people to rehearse the feast of tabernacles in the fall year after year, because one day they'd be required to live in tents and temporary dwelling places starting in the fall.

Scripture fulfilled.

So then out of hand, you're saying these two (in your words) "beautiful" boys
Full stop, what are you trying to say? I'll await an answer, then I'll look at the rest of your post.

Calling them "beautiful" does nothing to strengthen your point but only serves to manipulate emotions. It doesn't matter whether they were beautiful. Facts only. Your comment hints at showing more favor to these two red-headed boys than to the tens of thousands of boys who are brown-skinned who have been killed so far by the IOF, which makes sense if you believe they're all Hamas.
 
Ran out of room so going to reply to these here:

The name is a made up name. I made up the name. I exist. If I said "there Rose is a lamb" is a country or a group of people that would be wrong. That wouldn't be fact.

No, it is not the same as with the Palestinians. A simple look at historic facts and Arabs in their own words saying they were not Palestinians. I posted that some time back in one of these Israel themed threads.

The international community has recognized the Palestinian State, so your whole point is no longer just factually inaccurate; it's now moot. They have existed and are now recognized.
 
Ran out of room so going to reply to these here:

Before I answer these it appeared you have answered both inside and outside the quotes. Usually one answers outside the quotes. So two sets of questions to answer then. I will answer but I will take my time to answer factually and honestly as possible.
 
Before I answer these it appeared you have answered both inside and outside the quotes. Usually one answers outside the quotes. So two sets of questions to answer then. I will answer but I will take my time to answer factually and honestly as possible.

There were so many errors that it was inefficient to reply normally. I would've been setting multiple quotes. So have at it however you like. Most of what I posted are statements, not questions, and of the questions I did ask, they were rhetorical.

If your intent is to exterminate a people, and legally intent matters, you don't tell people you are coming, you don't call them, knock on doors, send flyers telling people where to go for safety. You don't help move those people or send food relief.

I meant to debunk this error also. From the official Holocaust section of the encyclopedia:

"Several factors determined the ebb and flow of emigration of Jews from Germany. These included the degree of pressure placed on the Jewish community in Germany and the willingness of other countries to admit Jewish immigrants. However, in the face of increasing legal repression and physical violence, many Jews fled Germany. Until October 1941, German policy officially encouraged Jewish emigration. Gradually, however, the Nazis sought to deprive Jews fleeing Germany of their property by levying an increasingly heavy emigration tax and by restricting the amount of money that could be transferred abroad from German banks."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-jewish-refugees-1933-1939

So it appears that Nazi Germany did tell Jewish people to leave the area long before the extermination began. In 1933 They even helped wealthy Jewish individuals to transfer their wealth and property (see Haavara Agreement).

Seems The Israeli Government follows the exact genocidal playbook of Nazi Germany. "You will know them by the fruits they bear".
 
So it appears that Nazi Germany did tell Jewish people to leave the area long before the extermination began. In 1933 They even helped wealthy Jewish individuals to transfer their wealth and property (see Haavara Agreement).

No, it's not the same situation at all. Germany wasn't attacked by the Jews. They were not in the middle of a war. They weren't defending themselves. They simply wanted Jews out of the country. It's not the same situation.

Seems The Israeli Government follows the exact genocidal
playbook of Nazi Germany.

Israel isn't committing genocide. Germany didn't commit total genocide, but certainly tried to wipe out the Jewish race. Germany's sole intent was to rid the world of Jews.
 
The international community has recognized the Palestinian State,

No, not the entire "community" and they are not allowed to vote in the UN.



so your whole point is no longer just factually inaccurate. They have existed and are now recognized.

No, they have not existed in history. You are the one who is factually inaccurate. There has never been a country or a Palestinian people. There has never been a fully independent, sovereign state of "Palestine."

1. The Romans eventually merged the province of Judea with neighboring regions and renamed it Syria Palaestina after the Jewish-Roman Wars to minimize Jewish identification with the land

2.The area later came under Byzantine, Arab, Crusader, Mamluk, and ultimately, Ottoman Turkish rule for 400 years (1516–1917). During this time, it was administered as southern Syria, divided into administrative districts called sanjaks, not a unified or independent political state.

3. Ottoman Empire collapsed. The region was assigned to Britain by the League of Nations as the British Mandate for Palestine (1920–1948). This was a political entity administered by the UK with the mandate to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home and self-governing institutions for all inhabitants

4. The Mandate period ended with the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, leading to the establishment of the State of Israel. The remaining territories (Gaza Strip and West Bank) were administered by Egypt and Jordan, respectively, until the 1967 Six-Day War.

Those are the historic facts.
 
Calling them "beautiful" does nothing to strengthen your point but only serves to manipulate emotions.

It doesn't matter whether they were beautiful. Facts only.

Devoid of emotion, two babies were strangled and their skulls were bashed in. How you can read that and say it doesn't move you is truly frightening. I'm not even a parent and it sickens me, but you say it's manipulation of emotion. Every time I think nothing I see here at CC will shock me, someone proves me wrong.


Your comment hints at showing more favor to these two red-headed boys than to the tens of thousands of boys who are brown-skinned who have been killed so far by the IOF,
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Yes, because that's what you want to see. You want Israel to be guilty so you don't have to see Hamas/Palestinians as guilty. So you'll phrase it in that exact way.


which makes sense if you believe they're all Hamas.

I'll make this real clear, any one who took part in the Oct 7 on the Jews are guilty, Hamas/ Palestinians. Anyone who cheered the murder of Jews is guilty. Jewish blood is on their hands because their intent was to murder as many Jews as possible. Old age, babies, did not matter. When they began bringing the hostages home they were bringing up on a stage and the crowd jeered at them, they were treated like animals until Trump said stop. Anyone in the crowd who took part in that are guilty of the murder of Jews. Blood is on their hands.
 
In what universe is it legal to sell stolen property?

So we're treading this lie again which has already been answered. The land was under British control!! The Ottomans lost.

1. By 1947, Jewish individuals and organizations legally owned approximately 6-7% of the total land area of British Mandatory Palestine. A large portion of the remaining land was classified as "state domain" (public land) held by the British administration, while the rest was owned by Arab individuals or communities.

2. In 1947, the United Nations proposed a plan, (two state solution). The Jewish Agency accepted the plan, while the Arab leadership and surrounding Arab states rejected it. (Even though the Jews had been promised a greater piece of their own land)

You can't steal your own land.


This isn't what most are doing because they're busy denying their right to the land of their heritage. And how could they, they don't know enough about scripture to realize that the punishments placed upon the people by the Almighty mark who they are incuding:

- forget their identity as Israel
- follow a false religion
- would be poor and destitute

...all of which modern Israelis claim they've never experienced.

It would be laughable if it weren't tragic. The Almighty even told His people to rehearse the feast of tabernacles in the fall year after year, because one day they'd be required to live in tents and temporary dwelling places starting in the fall.

Scripture fulfilled.

I don't know what this long response is to my direct, simple comment that the Bible tells us to bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem. I don't understand why some of you go literally ape over that comment. Is it jealousy or hate? I don't understand it.

Forgot, you answered inside the quotes too. On to the next batch.
 
@ThereRoseaLamb Are you done with your reply to me?


You made the posts. If you didn't want a reply you should have made shorter posts.


ThereRoseaLamb said:
Israel has 3000 yrs of archaeological of their presence in the land [I've already shared scientific proof that these people never had a presence in the land. Converting to a religion does not change one's ethnicity or genetic background].

Your "proof" are Antisemitic tropes that have been debunked a long time ago.

The land is historically and Biblically theirs [Not historically or biblically. The land is the Almighty's, quite clearly said in scripture].

Right and the Almighty promised the land to the Jews in an unconditional and everlasting covenant.

The land was taken from them. We know that is a consequence of their failure to obey God [about the only factual statement you said. It was taken from Israel because of disobedience, because the land is the Almighty's.].

Taken temporarily, if it belongs to the Almighty, as you say, then He can give the land to whoever He wills. And He promised it to the Jews.

But God made a promise of a land and named the borders. He will one day restore that land to the Jewish people just as He promised [no, he didn't say this. I'll wait and see if you catch your error. This is the fundamental ignorance of a lack of study that satan counts on].

For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” Jer.

He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Is.

I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God. Amos


Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. Jer.


Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’

I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God. Amos

... it shall no longer be said, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’ but ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the north country and out of all the countries where he had driven them.’ For I will bring them back to their own land that I gave to their fathers. Jer

God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. ... Deut.

“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands far away; say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.’ Jer

And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the Lord.” Ezk.



There are more, but this makes the point.
 
whether you're done with your drivel.

Yahshua, what prompted you to use that name? Do you think your name is in line with your comment? You posted and I am taking the time to answer it. This is your response? I'm starting to see why we have an awful lot of unmarried here who proselytize at CC.