God's design for relationship is arranged marriage, incompatible with modern society

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RegisterNow said:
What neither of us can relate to is the historical norm of arranged (or semi-arranged) marriages and free range parenting, where kids were raised by aunts, uncles, grandparents, servants, neighbors, elder siblings and cousins, and on top of that, everyone operated in a collective mindset and subject to godly sovereignty (in other word, fate), in contrast to today's dating app, helicoptor parenting and daycare centers, and everyone operates in an individualistic mindset and subject to their own entitlements.
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Oh, that's what you meant.

There's a song for that. Billy Crockett noticed the same thing.


41 houses
Only one street
41 yards
82 trees
41 lawnmowers sitting in sheds
41 families in over their heads
41 tables
41 meals
41 hundred automobiles
And everybody's got their own everything
 
RegisterNow said:
What neither of us can relate to is the historical norm of arranged (or semi-arranged) marriages and free range parenting, where kids were raised by aunts, uncles, grandparents, servants, neighbors, elder siblings and cousins, and on top of that, everyone operated in a collective mindset and subject to godly sovereignty (in other word, fate), in contrast to today's dating app, helicoptor parenting and daycare centers, and everyone operates in an individualistic mindset and subject to their own entitlements.
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Speak for yourself, not me.
 
HeIsHere said:
Speak for yourself, not me.
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Just telling you that this was the cultural context in the biblical days and most part of human history. God's design for marriage and relationship was not suited for dating apps and secluded nuclear families.
 
im guesssing if God didnt want his people to marry and then have children then the world would soon see the end come as we all die out.

But each to their own beliefs as with everything in the bible. so many doctrines some true some false.
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RegisterNow said:
Just telling you that this was the cultural context in the biblical days and most part of human history. God's design for marriage and relationship was not suited for dating apps and secluded nuclear families.
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That is not how your post read, but no matter.
I agree, but the problems go far beyond dating apps and the low regard for family ties in modern society.
 
Robertt said:
im guesssing if God didnt want his people to marry and then have children then the world would soon see the end come as we all die out.

But each to their own beliefs as with everything in the bible. so many doctrines some true some false.
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This is pure fear mongering, the alternative version of "rising sea level". It's hilarious that as a matter of fact, global population as well as the US population has at least tripled in merely 80 years since the end of WWII, and when this unprecedented rapid growth has just slowed down and the population seems to reach its peak, folks like you gets panic and begin to worry about "human extinction". Well guess what, God's gonna torch the whole earth whatsoever in the great tribulation whatsoever.

Another common talking point is "who's gonna take care of you in your old age?" Well, if your only motivation for having children is to breed future caretakers, like the tyrannical mama Elena in Like Water for Chocolate, having no respect for your kid's own lives and pursuits, then you'd better not have kids at all, build a pension fund for a robot nanny would be much more realistic.
 
RegisterNow said:
This is pure fear mongering, the alternative version of "rising sea level". It's hilarious that as a matter of fact, global population as well as the US population has at least tripled in merely 80 years since the end of WWII, and when this unprecedented rapid growth has just slowed down and the population seems to reach its peak, folks like you gets panic and begin to worry about "human extinction". Well guess what, God's gonna torch the whole earth whatsoever in the great tribulation whatsoever.

Another common talking point is "who's gonna take care of you in your old age?" Well, if your only motivation for having children is to breed future caretakers, like the tyrannical mama Elena in Like Water for Chocolate, having no respect for your kid's own lives and pursuits, then you'd better not have kids at all, build a pension fund for a robot nanny would be much more realistic.
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It is about the future trends not the past.

Children are a blessing from God.
 
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HeIsHere said:
It is about the future trends not the past.

Children are a blessing from God.
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Yeah, right, so the disciples, apostles, generations of priests, nuns, friars, missionaries and Lord Jesus himself were all cursed, while Ghengis Khan and dr Donald Cline were tremendously blessed.
 
RegisterNow said:
Ask chatGPT for the reference. You know, some of the disciples and apostles might be married, but none had any biological children, there's zero historical evidence.
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Outside of the Bible there's 0 historical evidence for a lot of the minor biblical characters. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also not experiencing one specific blessing of God is not being cursed. Not everyone gets every kind of blessing. Your viewpoint and arguments are clearly heavily tainted by your experience not a special insight or understanding into some area of God's word. Also I'm inclined to not listen to anyone who says ask chatGPT or do your own research and doesn't provide actual sources to look at. Bottom line: your exegesis is suspect and you aren't making your argument in a very convincing way.
 
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cinder said:
Outside of the Bible there's 0 historical evidence for a lot of the minor biblical characters. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also not experiencing one specific blessing of God is not being cursed. Not everyone gets every kind of blessing. Your viewpoint and arguments are clearly heavily tainted by your experience not a special insight or understanding into some area of God's word. Also I'm inclined to not listen to anyone who says ask chatGPT or do your own research and doesn't provide actual sources to look at. Bottom line: your exegesis is suspect and you aren't making your argument in a very convincing way.
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Then forget about chatGPT or any "historical evidence" for that matter, ask yourself how serious the disciples were when they reached the conclusion "better not to marry at all" in Matt. 19:10, and how sincere Peter was when he said to the Lord, "see, we have left all and followed You." (Matt. 19:27) Their own bold statements INSIDE the bible, no? My only insight is that a true disciple is a man or woman of their words, I don't follow a liar or a hypocrite.
 
cinder said:
Outside of the Bible there's 0 historical evidence for a lot of the minor biblical characters. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also not experiencing one specific blessing of God is not being cursed. Not everyone gets every kind of blessing. Your viewpoint and arguments are clearly heavily tainted by your experience not a special insight or understanding into some area of God's word. Also I'm inclined to not listen to anyone who says ask chatGPT or do your own research and doesn't provide actual sources to look at. Bottom line: your exegesis is suspect and you aren't making your argument in a very convincing way.
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And btw, the "ask chatGPT" comment is for how Genghis Khan and Dr. Donald Cline were "tremendously blessed", sarcastically speaking, in regard of "children are blessing from the Lord". Also, I don't think either Peter or Paul was a "minor character".
 
RegisterNow said:
This is pure fear mongering, the alternative version of "rising sea level". It's hilarious that as a matter of fact, global population as well as the US population has at least tripled in merely 80 years since the end of WWII, and when this unprecedented rapid growth has just slowed down and the population seems to reach its peak, folks like you gets panic and begin to worry about "human extinction". Well guess what, God's gonna torch the whole earth whatsoever in the great tribulation whatsoever.

Another common talking point is "who's gonna take care of you in your old age?" Well, if your only motivation for having children is to breed future caretakers, like the tyrannical mama Elena in Like Water for Chocolate, having no respect for your kid's own lives and pursuits, then you'd better not have kids at all, build a pension fund for a robot nanny would be much more realistic.
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Dude. Chill. Your bitterness is starting to leak out.

You can't find a girl who will have sex with you, so you find it convenient to make a theology that makes you feel good about that. Understandable. But your MGTOW theology is making you very bitter. That's going to make you even LESS desirable, not just for a woman but for any friends at all.

You won't have any problem fending off amorous women though, not what that attitude. So I guess that's a plus for you.
 
Wow what a long introductory post.

I can't counter it with one equally long, and full of scripture references, but I will say this. God made Adam and then He made Eve out of Adam's rib. They were husband and wife from the moment they cleaved together.

I don't see men these days undergoing surgery and asking God to make them a wife out of their ribs. For some strange reason. Also I don't ever see or hear of men going I must cleave with my wife. There's cleavage I suppose thats something different?

Oh no then there's the pesky subject that Christians avoid talking about. It starts with S and ends with X

Nobody ever talks about it, and certainly not in mixed company. Even in women's groups, nobody ever discusses it.

I find this strange, because non Christians talk about it all the time. If you grew up in the 90s it was what everyone talked about and the safest way to have it. Christians say you have to be married first to have it, and some churches enshrine it and call it Holy Matrimony. But really its because they hide the fact that this goes on.

It's totally weird.
 
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