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Does matter, evolution, chemistry, biology, science, etc. do they all inherently care? Are they all inherently righteousness? Do they all inherently produce guilt or explain self-sacrifice in and of themselves? What about love? Patience? None of them have moral attributes. So, where’d those attributes come from? The answer is God.

In a book I’m reading, the main character said he has a crisis of conscience. He believed what he was doing was right. And his enemy also believed what he was doing was right. The main character came to the realization how we ultimately distinguish between the two. He was determined he was in the right, believed what he was doing was moral, with no question. But said his enemy also believed the same about his position. So, that led him to ask who is right? He asked how do we ultimately judge between two equally determined passions or POV’s? That’s when he concluded that there must be an outside source to determine right from wrong.

Now, the character didn’t say the outside source is God, but I thought how he distinguished between the two could be a good way to formulate the moral argument for the existence of God.
When it comes to morality, the outside source cannot be man, as both people believe they are both correct, yet they both believe the other is incorrect, but both cannot be correct and incorrect in the same sense, as that would violate the law of contradiction.

A lot of people want to ask if God is good, if he's love, then why does evil exist? And I believe that's the wrong question. It's ironic because with all the evil in the world, why does good even exist? Why is there good in the world? And where does good come from? Where’s it originate? Why do people choose evil and not the all-good God? Have you ever known someone who was truly, genuinely walking by the Spirit, walking in the light, all while simultaneously at the same time committing evil? The answer to that is no. It is impossible. It is impossible to be led by the Spirit all while committing evil at the exact same time (1 Jn. 1:6; Gal. 5:16). So, the question is not, why does evil exist when a good God exists? The question is, why do people choose evil and not follow the One who prevents evil? Also, evil is not a thing when you get down to it. Evil is a perversion of good, of goodness. It's kind of like when you look at a messed up car. That car wasn't like that to begin with. It started out good. And over time, it got rusted, so it got corrupted. The good car got corrupt. And so, you take the damage, the rust, the corrosion, the nicks, the dings, the scratches out of the car, and you got good. So, evil, bad, is a perversion, an absence of good. When people choose to reject the ultimate standard of good, when people choose not to follow the all-good God, then, yeah, evil is going to happen. And from a lot of that evil comes suffering and comes pain, to which many inflict onto other people. When it comes to moral pain and suffering, it is brought on by evil, which is brought on by not following God. So, why does evil exist? Well, because people exist. Because they don't want to submit to God.

What's more difficult of a question is, why does good even exist in a world saturated with sin? Why does good still exist? Why do people still choose good and not evil? Why do people decide to choose the moral uprightness? Why do people feel convicted on certain things, if God doesn't care, or if He does not exist? Good is evidence for God. We would not know whether something is truly good if there was no ultimate goodness. If God does not exist, or if he doesn't care, then what is deemed as good is just opinion. It's just subjective. There's no measuring stick. There's no ultimate benchmark to say, yeah, that's objectively good. You're not going to know what a crooked line looks like without knowing what a straight line looks like. The crooked line is a deprivation. It's a departure of a straight line. So in order to know that something is evil, it has to be a departure of something or someone that is consistently, unchangeably good. And once that line is crossed, once that goodness of the ultimate standard is rejected, that's why evil happens.

The source of morality is an unchangeable, eternal, morally perfect Being. God.
 
Does matter, evolution, chemistry, biology, science, etc. do they all inherently care? Are they all inherently righteousness? Do they all inherently produce guilt or explain self-sacrifice in and of themselves? What about love? Patience? None of them have moral attributes. So, where’d those attributes come from? The answer is God.

In a book I’m reading, the main character said he has a crisis of conscience. He believed what he was doing was right. And his enemy also believed what he was doing was right. The main character came to the realization how we ultimately distinguish between the two. He was determined he was in the right, believed what he was doing was moral, with no question. But said his enemy also believed the same about his position. So, that led him to ask who is right? He asked how do we ultimately judge between two equally determined passions or POV’s? That’s when he concluded that there must be an outside source to determine right from wrong.

Now, the character didn’t say the outside source is God, but I thought how he distinguished between the two could be a good way to formulate the moral argument for the existence of God.
When it comes to morality, the outside source cannot be man, as both people believe they are both correct, yet they both believe the other is incorrect, but both cannot be correct and incorrect in the same sense, as that would violate the law of contradiction.

A lot of people want to ask if God is good, if he's love, then why does evil exist? And I believe that's the wrong question. It's ironic because with all the evil in the world, why does good even exist? Why is there good in the world? And where does good come from? Where’s it originate? Why do people choose evil and not the all-good God? Have you ever known someone who was truly, genuinely walking by the Spirit, walking in the light, all while simultaneously at the same time committing evil? The answer to that is no. It is impossible. It is impossible to be led by the Spirit all while committing evil at the exact same time (1 Jn. 1:6; Gal. 5:16). So, the question is not, why does evil exist when a good God exists? The question is, why do people choose evil and not follow the One who prevents evil? Also, evil is not a thing when you get down to it. Evil is a perversion of good, of goodness. It's kind of like when you look at a messed up car. That car wasn't like that to begin with. It started out good. And over time, it got rusted, so it got corrupted. The good car got corrupt. And so, you take the damage, the rust, the corrosion, the nicks, the dings, the scratches out of the car, and you got good. So, evil, bad, is a perversion, an absence of good. When people choose to reject the ultimate standard of good, when people choose not to follow the all-good God, then, yeah, evil is going to happen. And from a lot of that evil comes suffering and comes pain, to which many inflict onto other people. When it comes to moral pain and suffering, it is brought on by evil, which is brought on by not following God. So, why does evil exist? Well, because people exist. Because they don't want to submit to God.

What's more difficult of a question is, why does good even exist in a world saturated with sin? Why does good still exist? Why do people still choose good and not evil? Why do people decide to choose the moral uprightness? Why do people feel convicted on certain things, if God doesn't care, or if He does not exist? Good is evidence for God. We would not know whether something is truly good if there was no ultimate goodness. If God does not exist, or if he doesn't care, then what is deemed as good is just opinion. It's just subjective. There's no measuring stick. There's no ultimate benchmark to say, yeah, that's objectively good. You're not going to know what a crooked line looks like without knowing what a straight line looks like. The crooked line is a deprivation. It's a departure of a straight line. So in order to know that something is evil, it has to be a departure of something or someone that is consistently, unchangeably good. And once that line is crossed, once that goodness of the ultimate standard is rejected, that's why evil happens.

The source of morality is an unchangeable, eternal, morally perfect Being. God.
Philippians 2:13
 
There are two sources of morality: One eternal and coming from God; the other temporal, and entered into us when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Since then, there has been a continuous struggle between God's morality and man's.
 
A phony psychic might predict there will be discord in the Mid East. Some things are obvious.

A child might learn not to hit his brother, because his brother will hit him back. Some "morality" is from obvious potential consequences. The law for Israel was a sort of lesson like Morality 101. It contained limits so that people would learn not to hurt each other. It also contained elements to respect who God is.

For any society to function there has to be a degree of Morality 101 working.

Morality 201 is what is available in Christ, the opportunity to learn selfless love. This is often introduced when someone becomes a parent and is forced to a degree to give up some of their own childish selfishness to care for something even more selfish. Advanced "morality" can be found in the selfless love of Christ.
 
There are two sources of morality: One eternal and coming from God; the other temporal, and entered into us when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Since then, there has been a continuous struggle between God's morality and man's.
The source of morality (to be able to distinguish right from wrong) comes from God. Not man. Even unbelievers know right from wrong, but they have no source for their morals. Morality comes from God (Gal. 5:22-26; Mt. 5). Not man. When man decides to be their own source of morality, horrible things happen (Judges 17:6; Rms. 1) .
 
Some "morality" is from obvious potential consequences.
But to determine whether what they did was good, must be a standard beyond man, otherwise it’s an opinion that is not grounded.
 
Does matter, evolution, chemistry, biology, science, etc. do they all inherently care? Are they all inherently righteousness? Do they all inherently produce guilt or explain self-sacrifice in and of themselves? What about love? Patience? None of them have moral attributes. So, where’d those attributes come from? The answer is God.

In a book I’m reading, the main character said he has a crisis of conscience. He believed what he was doing was right. And his enemy also believed what he was doing was right. The main character came to the realization how we ultimately distinguish between the two. He was determined he was in the right, believed what he was doing was moral, with no question. But said his enemy also believed the same about his position. So, that led him to ask who is right? He asked how do we ultimately judge between two equally determined passions or POV’s? That’s when he concluded that there must be an outside source to determine right from wrong.

Now, the character didn’t say the outside source is God, but I thought how he distinguished between the two could be a good way to formulate the moral argument for the existence of God.
When it comes to morality, the outside source cannot be man, as both people believe they are both correct, yet they both believe the other is incorrect, but both cannot be correct and incorrect in the same sense, as that would violate the law of contradiction.

A lot of people want to ask if God is good, if he's love, then why does evil exist? And I believe that's the wrong question. It's ironic because with all the evil in the world, why does good even exist? Why is there good in the world? And where does good come from? Where’s it originate? Why do people choose evil and not the all-good God? Have you ever known someone who was truly, genuinely walking by the Spirit, walking in the light, all while simultaneously at the same time committing evil? The answer to that is no. It is impossible. It is impossible to be led by the Spirit all while committing evil at the exact same time (1 Jn. 1:6; Gal. 5:16). So, the question is not, why does evil exist when a good God exists? The question is, why do people choose evil and not follow the One who prevents evil? Also, evil is not a thing when you get down to it. Evil is a perversion of good, of goodness. It's kind of like when you look at a messed up car. That car wasn't like that to begin with. It started out good. And over time, it got rusted, so it got corrupted. The good car got corrupt. And so, you take the damage, the rust, the corrosion, the nicks, the dings, the scratches out of the car, and you got good. So, evil, bad, is a perversion, an absence of good. When people choose to reject the ultimate standard of good, when people choose not to follow the all-good God, then, yeah, evil is going to happen. And from a lot of that evil comes suffering and comes pain, to which many inflict onto other people. When it comes to moral pain and suffering, it is brought on by evil, which is brought on by not following God. So, why does evil exist? Well, because people exist. Because they don't want to submit to God.

What's more difficult of a question is, why does good even exist in a world saturated with sin? Why does good still exist? Why do people still choose good and not evil? Why do people decide to choose the moral uprightness? Why do people feel convicted on certain things, if God doesn't care, or if He does not exist? Good is evidence for God. We would not know whether something is truly good if there was no ultimate goodness. If God does not exist, or if he doesn't care, then what is deemed as good is just opinion. It's just subjective. There's no measuring stick. There's no ultimate benchmark to say, yeah, that's objectively good. You're not going to know what a crooked line looks like without knowing what a straight line looks like. The crooked line is a deprivation. It's a departure of a straight line. So in order to know that something is evil, it has to be a departure of something or someone that is consistently, unchangeably good. And once that line is crossed, once that goodness of the ultimate standard is rejected, that's why evil happens.

The source of morality is an unchangeable, eternal, morally perfect Being. God.
You read his words, his word are full of morality that changes the heart of man, simpler understanding is that through out the ages, his morality has been instilled in people and passed on by people to people as well. By all accounts of the Bible there was a time when people where complete savages,
 
You read his words, his word are full of morality that changes the heart of man, simpler understanding is that through out the ages, his morality has been instilled in people and passed on by people to people as well. By all accounts of the Bible there was a time when people where complete savages,

This is true. Western civilization has much Christian morality baked into it.
 
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This is true. Western civilization has much Christian morality baked into it.
Yep I agree because all people are equal towards Gods before there hearts are changed by his word.

His word truly demonstrates love (Agape) compassion caring for people and no doubt through out the ages these are the influencing factors
 
Does matter, evolution, chemistry, biology, science, etc. do they all inherently care? Are they all inherently righteousness? Do they all inherently produce guilt or explain self-sacrifice in and of themselves? What about love? Patience? None of them have moral attributes. So, where’d those attributes come from? The answer is God.

In a book I’m reading, the main character said he has a crisis of conscience. He believed what he was doing was right. And his enemy also believed what he was doing was right. The main character came to the realization how we ultimately distinguish between the two. He was determined he was in the right, believed what he was doing was moral, with no question. But said his enemy also believed the same about his position. So, that led him to ask who is right? He asked how do we ultimately judge between two equally determined passions or POV’s? That’s when he concluded that there must be an outside source to determine right from wrong.

Now, the character didn’t say the outside source is God, but I thought how he distinguished between the two could be a good way to formulate the moral argument for the existence of God.
When it comes to morality, the outside source cannot be man, as both people believe they are both correct, yet they both believe the other is incorrect, but both cannot be correct and incorrect in the same sense, as that would violate the law of contradiction.

A lot of people want to ask if God is good, if he's love, then why does evil exist? And I believe that's the wrong question. It's ironic because with all the evil in the world, why does good even exist? Why is there good in the world? And where does good come from? Where’s it originate? Why do people choose evil and not the all-good God? Have you ever known someone who was truly, genuinely walking by the Spirit, walking in the light, all while simultaneously at the same time committing evil? The answer to that is no. It is impossible. It is impossible to be led by the Spirit all while committing evil at the exact same time (1 Jn. 1:6; Gal. 5:16). So, the question is not, why does evil exist when a good God exists? The question is, why do people choose evil and not follow the One who prevents evil? Also, evil is not a thing when you get down to it. Evil is a perversion of good, of goodness. It's kind of like when you look at a messed up car. That car wasn't like that to begin with. It started out good. And over time, it got rusted, so it got corrupted. The good car got corrupt. And so, you take the damage, the rust, the corrosion, the nicks, the dings, the scratches out of the car, and you got good. So, evil, bad, is a perversion, an absence of good. When people choose to reject the ultimate standard of good, when people choose not to follow the all-good God, then, yeah, evil is going to happen. And from a lot of that evil comes suffering and comes pain, to which many inflict onto other people. When it comes to moral pain and suffering, it is brought on by evil, which is brought on by not following God. So, why does evil exist? Well, because people exist. Because they don't want to submit to God.

What's more difficult of a question is, why does good even exist in a world saturated with sin? Why does good still exist? Why do people still choose good and not evil? Why do people decide to choose the moral uprightness? Why do people feel convicted on certain things, if God doesn't care, or if He does not exist? Good is evidence for God. We would not know whether something is truly good if there was no ultimate goodness. If God does not exist, or if he doesn't care, then what is deemed as good is just opinion. It's just subjective. There's no measuring stick. There's no ultimate benchmark to say, yeah, that's objectively good. You're not going to know what a crooked line looks like without knowing what a straight line looks like. The crooked line is a deprivation. It's a departure of a straight line. So in order to know that something is evil, it has to be a departure of something or someone that is consistently, unchangeably good. And once that line is crossed, once that goodness of the ultimate standard is rejected, that's why evil happens.

The source of morality is an unchangeable, eternal, morally perfect Being. God.
Nicely explained , thank you 😁 .
 
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Scripture teaches one objective universal source of morality that is unchangeable: God Himself

God is the standard of good.

Psalm 119:68 – “Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.”
James 1:17 – “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”

Hebrews 13:8 – “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

Malachi 3:6 – “For I am the LORD, I change not…”

Morality is not found nature, not in man, not in creation.

Unbelievers do not have a source of morality from their own position. They borrow from God’s standard while rejecting Him (Rom. 2:14–15; Rom. 1).
 
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The eternal struggle of flesh and spirit.

Paul said that he is chief among sinners and Paul also said “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?”

There’s a lot of things I don’t understand in the world but I know that God is going to resolve this fallen world with all the suffering in it.
 
Does matter, evolution, chemistry, biology, science, etc. do they all inherently care? Are they all inherently righteousness? Do they all inherently produce guilt or explain self-sacrifice in and of themselves? What about love? Patience? None of them have moral attributes. So, where’d those attributes come from? The answer is God.

In a book I’m reading, the main character said he has a crisis of conscience. He believed what he was doing was right. And his enemy also believed what he was doing was right. The main character came to the realization how we ultimately distinguish between the two. He was determined he was in the right, believed what he was doing was moral, with no question. But said his enemy also believed the same about his position. So, that led him to ask who is right? He asked how do we ultimately judge between two equally determined passions or POV’s? That’s when he concluded that there must be an outside source to determine right from wrong.

I see Proverbs 23:1-7, verse 7 as a man (person) thinks, so is that person. The chapter, starts out with to be aware
I see the connection in Matthew 10:16-20
I see to not have fear, there is no fear in God's Love. How to stand and say what is true and not fight is really easy. Once see to not have the right and wrong attitude of self flowing though you anymore. God is the only one good, Jesus said that in Matthew 19, and Mark and Luke say this too, God Father is the only one good
Then after death, then risen, who Mary saw as risen, was told by Jesus to not touch him, he needed to still go to Heaven's Mercy seat, to Father.
Wow, then he said now your Father in John 20. Do you think now our Father too? I know so, after not quitting belief to Son as risen for not only me, yet everyone to believe too, between God and them personally first
1 John 2:1-27