At What Point in Time is the Believer’s Justification?

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Is a believer’s justification from eternity past, at the cross, or at time of his first believing?

Jesus, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (Rom 4:25-5:1, YLT)

and God doth commend His own love to us, that, in our being still sinners, Christ did die for us; much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath; (Rom 5:8-9, YLT)

“…our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Tim 1:10b, RSV)

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Heb 11:1, RSV)
*Faith is the assurance and conviction; not the instrument, means or channel by which to receive.

For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due. And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: (Rom 4:3-6, RSV)

Reckon, λογίζομαι, logizomai: to take an inventory, that is, estimate (literally or figuratively) Strong's Greek Dictionary

The NRSVue has returned to the literal rendering of the YLT & KJV, “faith of Jesus Christ”. This is an illustration of the difficulty of the prepositions. Another example is Acts 2:28 “for”, εἰς eis. Is baptism required for the forgiveness of sins?

and the righteousness of God is through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those believing, —for there is no difference, (Rom 3:22 YLT)

having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.' (Gal 2:16 YLT) *Also Gal. 2:20; 3:22

First London Confession of Faith - 1644
“XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past (John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom. 5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it through faith.”

I see justification having taken place at the cross, not at the time of first believing. This is still the belief of many Primitive or Strict Baptists today.
 
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At What Point in Time is the Believer’s Justification?

So Are you asking at what point in time are Believer's Justified ?

Or are you asking at what point did justification happen ?---

There is no justification for anyone who has not received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour -----

the demons believe that Jesus is the son of God but they can't be saved =====

Jesus paid the price for our Justification -----so without receiving Jesus --your not justified -----

Greek word for Justified

Cognate: 1347 dikaíōsis (a feminine noun derived from 1344 /dikaióō, "to approve, justify") – justification (divine approval), emphasizing Christ's full payment of the debt for sin which liberates the believer from all divine condemnation. See 1343 (dikaiosynē).
 
Jon777 said:
Is a believer’s justification from eternity past, at the cross, or at time of his first believing?
Revelation 13:8
Jesus died to take away the sins of the world. He was the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". The believer's name is written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world. So from God's perspective, we were justified even before there was anyone to justify!

From our perspective, we are justified when we first believe. Until that moment, we are dead in trespass and sin, our sins remain unforgiven and we are separated from God.

Does it matter? I believe so. Hyper Calvinism says that there is no point preaching the gospel because God saves those He predestined anyway. This contrary to God's word. We should preach and live as if it was possible for everyone to be saved.
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Jon777 said:
Is a believer’s justification from eternity past, at the cross, or at time of his first believing?

Jesus, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (Rom 4:25-5:1, YLT)

and God doth commend His own love to us, that, in our being still sinners, Christ did die for us; much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath; (Rom 5:8-9, YLT)

“…our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Tim 1:10b, RSV)

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Heb 11:1, RSV)
*Faith is the assurance and conviction; not the instrument, means or channel by which to receive.

For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due. And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: (Rom 4:3-6, RSV)

Reckon, λογίζομαι, logizomai: to take an inventory, that is, estimate (literally or figuratively) Strong's Greek Dictionary

The NRSVue has returned to the literal rendering of the YLT & KJV, “faith of Jesus Christ”. This is an illustration of the difficulty of the prepositions. Another example is Acts 2:28 “for”, εἰς eis. Is baptism required for the forgiveness of sins?

and the righteousness of God is through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those believing, —for there is no difference, (Rom 3:22 YLT)

having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.' (Gal 2:16 YLT) *Also Gal. 2:20; 3:22

First London Confession of Faith - 1644
“XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past (John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom. 5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it through faith.”

I see justification having taken place at the cross, not at the time of first believing. This is still the belief of many Primitive or Strict Baptists today.
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JESUS did die for us, HE was doing the will of the father.

It did not end at the cross, that is when HE took all of our sins and GOD turned HIS back on HIM.

HIM rasing from the grave is what made HIM different.

And you are right the only way to get rid of our sins is being baptized in JESUS name. Acts 2:38, 22:16.

How do we know our sins are goon after we obey?

FAITH, we have faith in HIM because HE is the word. John 1:1.

Think of the faith HIS disciple had in HIM, they were told to wait before they were out into the world after JESUS ascended the second time in Acts 1.

There was app 120 people which had FAITH in JESUS which keep them there in one accord waiting for what was to come, I don't think they had ANY IDEA at all of what was going to happen but in faith they waited. No idea the time frame between JESUS ascending and the day of Pentecost.

What is neat to me is GODS timing, the day of Pentecost happened the same day all of the Jews gathered because it was a major Jewish pilgrimage festival, celebrating the wheat harvest and commemorating God giving the Law at Sinai.

After they waited this happened,
Acts 2,
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now after being with JESUS for 3 years all the way to HIM being raised from HIS grave and being with them 40 more days they had FAITH.

The first message that JESUS promised to be preached, Paul said with boldness.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Think how bold Peter and the other 120 was after all of that happened.

Thinking on it, after JESUS filled me with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciple is changed my life and I am a lot more bold as the promise is FOR ALL.

JESUS and HIS actions have nothing to do with us unless we obey what HE says what we must do to be saved.

It's our choice to obey and get baptized, with out action nothing happens then we need to pray to HIM for the Holy Ghost that is what HE has to do when he can see we are dedicated to HIM.

Bing filled with the spirit may come before being baptized, maybe after? But it will come it is a part of being reborn. John 3:5.

We have to have faith in HIM and HIS words, GOD BLESS YOU.
 
When the Holy Spirit places someone into the body of Christ upon faith, his sins are covered by Christ.
 
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

We are justified (accounted as righteous) the very moment that we believe in/place our faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
 
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 
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timf said:
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Was that reply to me?
 
Jon777 said:
Jesus, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (Rom 4:25-5:1, YLT)
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If we have been declared righteous because of faith "through Jesus Christ", then that means it was by Christ's faith alone and not by man's faith that made us righteous: His faith was righteous - a faith if produced by man of/by himself, is a faith of law, therefore, unrighteous, because no man can be justified in following or by trying to satisfy any law.
Anyway, to your original question, I believe that we are justified at the exact instant God takes us from under the law of sin and
death and places us under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Notice in 8:2 below, that life was given to Paul, not by his doing, but by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (itself). It made Paul free from the law of sin and death, just as it does for everyone whom God saves.

Your translation version:
[Phl 3:9 YLT] 9 not having my righteousness, which [is] of law, but that which [is] through faith of Christ -- the righteousness that is of God by the faith,

[Rom 8:1-2 YLT]
1 There is, then, now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit;
2 for the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus did set me free from the law of the sin and of the death;
 
timf said:
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Sorry, I didn't notice your reply prior to mine until after I posted mine and I completely agree with you.
 
Jon777 said:
Is a believer’s justification from eternity past, at the cross, or at time of his first believing?

Jesus, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (Rom 4:25-5:1, YLT)

and God doth commend His own love to us, that, in our being still sinners, Christ did die for us; much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath; (Rom 5:8-9, YLT)

“…our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Tim 1:10b, RSV)

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Heb 11:1, RSV)
*Faith is the assurance and conviction; not the instrument, means or channel by which to receive.

For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due. And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: (Rom 4:3-6, RSV)

Reckon, λογίζομαι, logizomai: to take an inventory, that is, estimate (literally or figuratively) Strong's Greek Dictionary

The NRSVue has returned to the literal rendering of the YLT & KJV, “faith of Jesus Christ”. This is an illustration of the difficulty of the prepositions. Another example is Acts 2:28 “for”, εἰς eis. Is baptism required for the forgiveness of sins?

and the righteousness of God is through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those believing, —for there is no difference, (Rom 3:22 YLT)

having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.' (Gal 2:16 YLT) *Also Gal. 2:20; 3:22

First London Confession of Faith - 1644
“XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past (John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom. 5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it through faith.”

I see justification having taken place at the cross, not at the time of first believing. This is still the belief of many Primitive or Strict Baptists today.
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And I see Justification given to us all to believe, then receive and be new in love and mercy as Son was and is first for us all, Going/went to that cross without any flesh fight back at all. Then risen and seen by those that got him killed. He still did not condemn them Col 2 thank for your post
God I see has given insight to you
He did it, I believe it, I trust Father in risen Son for me to be taught new, Love and mercy to all too, thank you
God did it, Son performed it. Is risen where new life from Father is given, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
 
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