How would you Respond to this interpretation of Isaiah 45:7

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form (YeTseR) the light, and create (BaRa") darkness: I make ('aShaH) peace, and create (Bara") evil: I the LORD do ('aShH) all these things. (KJV)

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45:7 יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע אֲנִי יְהוָה עֹשֶׂה כָל־אֵלֶּה׃ ס

So, we have three different verbs.

YeTseR = to squeeze into shape, mould
BaRa" = to cut ( +down) or to shape or fashion by cutting
'aShaH = to do or make in the broadest sense

I squeeze light into shape and I trim down darkness .I bring about peace and I trim down evil. I, YaHWeH,bring about all these things.

We know that God first produced light in Gen. 1:3. We know that matter is shaped light/energy. God squeezes and moulds light into electrons, protons, and the elements. and material and immaterial things
God keeps darkness under control, limiting it, pruning it, by shining light at it.
God works in nature to bring about the harmony we see in places.
God limits the spread of evil evil, pruning it back before it destroys everything.
These are four things that God does.

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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We know God cannot create evil for His nature is good so all that He creates will be good.

When God created the earth and all things pertaining to this creation He said it was good.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Lucifer was created perfect in his ways which means to do good until iniquity was found in him.

Which means he was created to do good and serve God which he did for a time and then iniquity was found in him when he wanted to exalt himself above God.

He was perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him testifies he was created good.

Also the name Lucifer which means son of the morning testifies that he was created good.

When he rebelled his name was changed to Satan to identify his new identity as evil.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam and Eve were created in the image of God which is an innocent nature in flesh which they were created to do good.

Which Adam was made in the figure of Christ so he was created to do good.

God made man upright to do good but they sought out many inventions which it is to go by their own ways according to the flesh.

God created angels to do good and created people to do good which are the only 2 sources that evil can come from.

So how did God create evil if he created them to do good.

The only thing that would make sense is that God did not create evil but evil came about because He created the angels and people.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Seeing it says make peace, and create evil, instead of good and evil, it might mean God judging evil people to be punished or the fighting people will do on earth because God created people.

But either way God did not create evil and He said He cannot be tempted with evil.

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

This evil is not the same as the evil that angels and people do for God is the righteous Judge and would judge on earth.

This evil is another word for punishment which is not good for the people receiving it.

Which seems to make sense I make peace, and create evil, a cursing or a blessing.

I form the light, and create darkness.

It would be more of a problem understanding this for it does not seem like it would have the same meaning as I make peace, and create evil.

God said let there be light so where does the darkness come about and what is the purpose.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Here God said let there be light and divided it from the darkness.

But was the darkness always there and if so how would God create it.

The light here is the sun and moon and stars and other than the light given from them it is darkness.

When this heaven and earth pass away and we are at the New Jerusalem will all we see is light and no more darkness.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Which there will no night there but the Lord God gives them light and all they will see is light.

Which before creation it seems like it was all light.

So does it mean I form the light sun, moon, and stars, that is visible to the human eye.

And create darkness that God has hidden the light from the human eye that is far as the eye or telescope can see.

For all we see is darkness except the created lights.

But at the New Jerusalem the saints will only see light and there is no night and the created lights are gone and the Lord God is the light which will be as far as they can see for there is no night there.

Which with the human eye we can see quite far in to the sky at night and see a lot of darkness.

But at the New Jerusalem when they look up in to the sky all they will see is a lot of light with no darkness at all.

Which now that light is hidden so God creates the darkness which means He is hiding the light from the flesh.

God forms the light sun, moon, and stars, as a source of light.

And creates the darkness hides the light from the human eye.

But at the New Jerusalem the light is not hidden anymore and all they will see is light.

Which it is probably how it always is but is hidden now.

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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Hello Josepus86, while it's certainly true that the Lord has created ~physical~ evils (meaning disasters or calamities and the like in this world ... the Flood in Genesis 6-9 and the fire and brimstone that rained down upon Sodom and Gomorrah from Heaven .. Genesis 19:24 come quickly to mind), He has not/will not create ~moral~ evil (or sin) in the hearts of men.

Also, while "light" and "darkness" are opposites, "peace" and "evil" are not.

You gave us a link to many different translations of v7 at Biblehub, so let's see how some of the other translations and paraphrases read.



~Deuteronomy (David)

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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I would respond that relying on a single translation is not necessarily wise… especially one primarily comprised of 500-year-old English.

Jo [QUOTE="Josepus86 said:

In Genesis it contrasts Good and Evil and in Isaiah it contrasts Prosperity (Shalom) and Calamity (Evil)
The word used in a parallelism good vs evil and Peace vs Chaos
Because Isaiah contrasts evil with peace it modifies the meaning of evil here.

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That could make a human argument thoughtful.

But the witness to Isaiah 45:7 states otherwise :

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be EVIL in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

>>>> Not surprised, no one brought this witness forth.

Now there are two witnesses to God created Evil. And as STATED :

2 Peter 1:20
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture becomes a matter of someone’s own interpretation,

2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”

Deuteronomy 19:15
A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

>>>> You can also try the definition approach, let us see :

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be EVIL in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

The word translated to the English word 'evil is - 7463a. raah Word Origin from the same as roa

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

The word translated to the English word 'evil is - 7451b. ra Word Origin from the same as roa

7455. roa

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
be so bad, badness, be so evil, naughtiness, sadness, sorrow, wickedness
From ra'a'; badness (as marring), physically or morally -- X be so bad, badness, (X be so) evil, naughtiness, sadness, sorrow, wickedness.

see HEBREW ra'a'

Topical Lexicon
Overview
The noun רֹעַ (roʿaʿ, Strong’s 7455) appears nineteen times and embraces the full spectrum of evil—from outward ugliness and calamity to inward wickedness of heart. The term’s deployment across narrative, wisdom, and prophetic texts reveals a consistent scriptural testimony: evil distorts God’s good creation, provokes His righteous judgment, and calls for decisive repentance.

Semantic Range and Nuance

• Moral wickedness: wicked deeds, evil plans, corrupt motives
• Calamity or misfortune that springs from sin
• Emotional distress or sorrow as the felt consequence of evil
• Physical unattractiveness, symbolizing moral decay (Genesis 41:19)

While several Hebrew words can be rendered “evil,” רֹעַ often highlights evil’s active expression—“evil deeds,” “evil heart,” “evil fruit.” The Septuagint commonly translates it with kakia (“wickedness”) or ponēria (“malice”), reinforcing the idea of active, ruinous wrongdoing.

witness....

Lamentations 3:37-38
Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has ordained it? / Do not both ADVERSITY and good come from the mouth of the Most High?

mic drop ....

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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I have not read the other responses ( yet).. so I would respond as follows
something like...

G-D is The Creator & as THE CREATOR, nothing is created in HIS Creation that has not went thru HIS HANDS & has been aloud to exist in HIS CREATION...

I might also then add that THE GOD of Jacob it seems did Create some creatures ( Angels & humans for instance ) with free choice to rebel against HIS RULE & Reign... animals under Adam went with man, as did all Adams descendants.

and when a creature rebells against G-DS Rule & Reign that behaviour exists in & will be labeled as evil, for it is against G-D, and HIS GREAT LIGHT. For rebellion exists outside of HIS LIGHT and Boundaries HE HAS SET FOR HIS creatures to dwell.

yet creatures have the ability, and choice it seems to go beyond the LIGHTED Boundaries, and enter into evil rebellion, a place for creatures who choose may journey.

in good faith

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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Since God created us to have freewill, we need training on how to use it.
That everything else follows God's commands except for us. We have the ability to choose like Adam and Eve chosen to do.
God was the One who put the tree into the garden that they were told not to eat from it. That God made these opposing spirits to test us to see if we will make the right decisions to see if we have a righteous spirit in us, which the word righteous means to make the right choices.
We all must be sifted to see where we need improvement. But God can't be the one who tempt us. He is using the opposing spirits that He created.

Genesis 22:1
Sometime later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!” “Here I am,” he replied.

Exodus 16:4
Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.

Exodus 20:20
Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

Luke 8:13
Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

Hebrews 3:8
do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness,

Luke 22:31
“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.

Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one.’

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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God, knows best for us all. To trust God in personal injuries and anything else good or bad, to me, even if anyone are about to die here on earth. To still say to God, I trust you in your knowing it all, I believe you no matter what, thank you.. Trusting you have a righteous reason for all that is allowed. Seeing Jesus said that to Pontus Pilot, when Pilot tried to take control over Jesus, by saying to Jesus, do you know what power I have over you?
Jesus replied, for now, it is given you. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woe is me, for Jesuits say confidenly
Father, Dad, PaPa I believe also thank you. I do not know how it will all come together, yet it will. Therefore I remain in trust to you alone, thank you. the same as Jesus did in his entire earth walk first. Before going to that crucifixion willingly. to save us in his risen life that is given by Father in love to us all
Believe God. ask God and receive from God and rest even whenever in troubles as well. which is not easy for any flesh people first birth unto second birth, we are made new and alive forever with Father and Son, As I can only speak for me and others do the same that see as well. Thank you Father for knowing best

These are indeed true verses. But it makes me think, why is the devil then blamed for all the evil?

Falconn007 said:

That could make a human argument thoughtful.

But the witness to Isaiah 45:7 states otherwise :

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be EVIL in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

>>>> Not surprised, no one brought this witness forth.

Now there are two witnesses to God created Evil. And as STATED :

2 Peter 1:20
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture becomes a matter of someone’s own interpretation,

2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”

Deuteronomy 19:15
A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

>>>> You can also try the definition approach, let us see :

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be EVIL in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

The word translated to the English word 'evil is - 7463a. raah Word Origin from the same as roa

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

The word translated to the English word 'evil is - 7451b. ra Word Origin from the same as roa

7455. roa

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
be so bad, badness, be so evil, naughtiness, sadness, sorrow, wickedness
From ra'a'; badness (as marring), physically or morally -- X be so bad, badness, (X be so) evil, naughtiness, sadness, sorrow, wickedness.

see HEBREW ra'a'

Topical Lexicon
Overview
The noun רֹעַ (roʿaʿ, Strong’s 7455) appears nineteen times and embraces the full spectrum of evil—from outward ugliness and calamity to inward wickedness of heart. The term’s deployment across narrative, wisdom, and prophetic texts reveals a consistent scriptural testimony: evil distorts God’s good creation, provokes His righteous judgment, and calls for decisive repentance.

Semantic Range and Nuance

• Moral wickedness: wicked deeds, evil plans, corrupt motives
• Calamity or misfortune that springs from sin
• Emotional distress or sorrow as the felt consequence of evil
• Physical unattractiveness, symbolizing moral decay (Genesis 41:19)

While several Hebrew words can be rendered “evil,” רֹעַ often highlights evil’s active expression—“evil deeds,” “evil heart,” “evil fruit.” The Septuagint commonly translates it with kakia (“wickedness”) or ponēria (“malice”), reinforcing the idea of active, ruinous wrongdoing.

witness....

Lamentations 3:37-38
Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has ordained it? / Do not both ADVERSITY and good come from the mouth of the Most High?

mic drop ....

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Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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GWT 45: 7 I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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According to the Bible, God created everything else that exists (Gen. 1:1, Jer. 10:16, John 1:1-3), including the ability by volitional beings (souls) to choose to rebel against His Lordship (Gen. 2:16, Deut. 30:19). Our finite minds cannot comprehend how God does this (Isa. 40:28). However, neither are we able to understand why the universe exists without God (John 3:8). Theistic and atheistic cosmologies are both mind-boggling! Just as atheists believe that somehow the world always existed and somewhat intelligent beings evolved, so theists believe that for some reason the eternal Intelligence (GW) or Spirit of God (HS) created (John 1:1-3) and sustains the physical universe (Heb. 1:3), including the brains of those who freely will to spit in His face (Rom. 5:6-8, Matt. 27:30)! (What God was doing before the creation of time/space is as inconceivable as nothing/atheism.)

A person—even a theist—might think that God would not permit evil, suffering and hell to exist. People who are mystified by evil and repulsed by its punishment do not realize that the essential aspect of being a human rather than a robot or subhuman creature is moral free will (MFW), which is what enables a person to experience love and meaning. This is what makes humans different from animals, whose behavior is governed mainly by instinct. This is what it means to be created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26-27; robot or responsible).

God could not force people to return His love without abrogating their humanity. If God were to zap ungodly souls, it would be tantamount to forcing conversions at gunpoint, which would not be free and genuine. If God were to prevent people from behaving hatefully, then He would need to prevent them from thinking evilly, which would make human souls programmed automatons.

Even if God were to prove Himself to skeptics by means of a miracle, they might believe for awhile and then as their memories began to fade they would probably think that God had died and revert to their former doubt—necessitating an endless string of miracles (recapitulating the story of the Israelites on the way to Canaan after the exodus from Egypt).

However, for reasons we may understand only sufficiently rather than completely, God designed reality so that experiencing His presence is less than compelling, so that even Jesus (God the Son) on the cross cried out “My God [the Father], why have you forsaken [taken God the Spirit from] me?” (Matt. 27:46, Psa. 51:11) This phenomenon is sometimes called “distanciation”, because we experience God as distant from us and “unknown” (Acts 17:23), even though He is close or immanent, “for in Him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28). Distanciation is not forsaken.

God’s normative means of conversion is persuasion rather than coercion (Matt. 12:39, 24:24, 1Cor. 1:22-23). This is seen very clearly in Jesus’ lament over the obstinacy of Jerusalem (Matt. 23:37). Two unusual theophanies included when God appeared to Moses (in a burning bush per Exo. 3:2-6), whom God wanted to establish the Jewish lineage for the Messiah (OT), and to Saul/Paul (as the resurrected Jesus in Acts 9:3-6), whom God chose to establish the NT church of Christ. Miracles are rare (not normative).

MFW only exists when there is the possibility of choosing between two qualitatively opposite moral options that we call good and evil. These options are opposites because of essentially different consequences for choosing them. Choosing good results in blessing, life and heaven; and choosing evil results in cursing, death and hell (Deut. 30:19). This is why hell as well as heaven exists. It is the just consequence for choosing evil rather than God. The Spirit of God is good: love, peace and joy (Gal. 5:22-23). Therefore, whoever rejects the Lord is spiritually separated from Him (Isa. 59:2) and thereby chooses the evil or satanic spirit of hatred, strife and misery and reaps the just consequence called “hell” in the afterlife (Gal. 6:7-9, Heb. 9:27-28). These options were presented by Moses to the Israelites (DT 30:19), and Jesus referred to this fundamental choice in terms of a fish or egg versus a snake or scorpion (Luke 11:11-13). Life… or Curse? (Gen. 3:24, Rev. 22:1-2)

God created theoretical evil or the possibility of rejecting Him as an option that actualizes MFW/free human personality. As such it is necessary and even good (Gen. 1:31). Of course, it was wrong for Satan (1John 3:8) and humanity (Rom. 5:12) to make evil actual by choosing to Sin or reject Faith in God’s Lordship. The first people to choose the evil option were named Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:6). Sin: ignoring God/God’s Word.

God loves a cheerful giver (2Cor. 9:7), which means He desires people to cooperate with Him happily because of love and gratitude for His grace rather than to cower before Him because of fear of hell. Love must be evoked; it cannot be coerced. And again, when souls sin or do NOT choose to love God freely, it is perfectly just (loving and logical) for them to reap the appropriate consequence (Gal. 6:7-9) or hell.

Why would anyone choose to believe otherwise? Only God knows why people choose atheism. It is a mystery stated by Isaiah, which is cited by Jesus (in Matt. 13:14-15): “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused.” Apparently, this callous attitude demands God to nullify faith/MFW and thereby abrogate the essence of humanness by performing miracles in order to prove He exists (Matt. 12:39, 24:24, John 20:29 & 1Cor. 1:22). In other words, atheists presume to know better than God; they want to usurp divine authority to determine what is best or good, but they may one day (at the eschaton per Rev. 20:15) wish they had admitted the possibility that God has ordained this mortal life on earth for the purpose of people proving to Him who is worthy of (qualified for) eternal life in heaven (cf. Rom. 2:5-8 & 2Cor. 13:5; heart/mind: hard or open?).

Such evil people punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules.

The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (Matt. 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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I would say quit quoting the King James, which is full of archaic speech that is meaningless now, and with mistranslations that lead to misconceptions. Misconceptions such as God is the author of evil.

I've seen God use nephilim spirits to punish people who are in secret societies/illuminati.The spirits would enter them and make them do the most sickening things to each other long into the night.They love to keep doing the rituals because of the spirits in them.Imagine seeing with your eyes, but it's like looking through the eyes of someone else and having no control over your body.
They came down to the daughter of men because they lusted after women.They left their place and gave in to their flesh.

I saw everyone bow down to the king including the unbelievers and the nephilim themselves, and give praise to the living God at the appointed time.

Hakawaka said:

These are indeed true verses. But it makes me think, why is the devil then blamed for all the evil?

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Because many do not see the dvil as defeated. Yet the devil is defeated, done at the resurrection of SonEvil defeted
Yes not all evil was or is defeated yet what?

The first born flesh is born with the knowledge of good and evil. Flesh is given the choice to decide to which one will give Creedence to
Romans 16:20
And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Hebrews 2:8
thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection underhim, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put underhim.

Not all stand in belief, by Son I tis done where new life in Father's Spirit and Truth begins as one learns their freedom and stand in trust, no matter what

yeah you really have to dig into this.. if God did in fact create evil.. goes against.. well "This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. "

The context of the Isa. ch. 45 continuing from Isa. 44:28 is of the chosen king Cyrus. Not sure why but this other story comes to mind in the OT where some animals were gone so the two guys (Saul and servant).. hey lets go find them" So they search for a while and I believe one said.. there's some prophet lets go ask. Now GOD told this prophet "I am sending him to you" "The day before Saul came, the Lord had told Samuel: “About this time tomorrow I will send you a man from the land of Benjamin." Do you see?

Sorry lol there is so much more to this then "that's proves it.. God created evil (calamity) destruction blah blah blah. Nope.. He can't .. we tend to toss out things that go against (not the word of GOD) but our own personal belief. This is for me just silly.. were talking about who again? Yeah GOD we can't even see into the spirit world, can't see demons or fallen angels.. none of that ..and we take a few verse and? We see more of this "spirit world" talk in the NT but its been a fallen world since Adam and Eve sinned and Satan the father of lies a murder from the start and he is the god of this world. As a demon said to Christ.. have you come to torment us before the time?

That right there.. does that not hit you like a ton of bricks (OUCH)? Well think.. were the Children of GOD.. Christ is our brother our friend our best friend.. our savior our GOD. We are citizens of Heaven and yet some demon knew Christ was there before the time? They knew its not over "yet" .. and how many of us have no clue but some demon does? Finish the race? The finish line? Paul knew it.. they knew it.. how did we forget? Pfft. sorry got lost there

So all the promises of GOD are yes and amen .. belong to every Child of GOD by faith in trust in Yeshua Jesus Christ lord of lords king of kings .. YES! This should good.. so ask Him. Ask Him .. He that made all is in you.. He talks.. we might not listen much but HE talks.. the sweet sweet holy Spirit in us with us forever. So ask.. what do i know

Hakawaka said:

These are indeed true verses. But it makes me think, why is the devil then blamed for all the evil?

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The teachings of mankind-flesh is that an all Powerful and Merciful God could not possibly be the creator of evil , just shows how ignorant mankind is.

The creation and control of evil is not evil in and of itself.

It is the application of evil that is EVIL, be it in thought and in willing it upon others who look, act, and think different from you.

The devil is blamed by sheer ignorance of the devils 'origin', He too is created by God[creator of EVERYTHING] = Tree of knowledge of Good and evil.

What mankind can not DISCERN in Spirit , they make it up in worldly ideologies = flesh thoughts and carnal knowledge of delusions and lies to deceive others into believing their misinterpretations of God's Word.

There are many translations out there, none of them are a True source of Spiritual Knowledge , that is UNTIL one is in fellowship with the Holy Spirit and can SEE and HEAR that :

i.e. :

Isaiah 45:7 : GWT 45: 7 I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.

One needs to be in the Spirit of Truth, that means to not lean or rely on the teachings of mankind in DISCERNING what is Spiritual.

All of the translations, follow in one of these following translations :

New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

New Living Translation
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.

English Standard Version
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Contemporary English Version
I create light and darkness, happiness and sorrow. I, the LORD, do all this.

Young's Literal Translation
Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

New American Bible
I form the light, and create the darkness, I make weal and create woe; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Lamsa Bible
I form light and create darkness; I make peace and create hardship; I the LORD do all these things.

>>>> Here is the original writing, one does need to be literate in Greek language or the Hebrew Language to understand the flow of the words of course not.

and creating וּבֹ֣ורֵא (u·vo·v·re) Strong's 1254a. bara : to shape, create

Definition
to shape, create

calamity; רָ֑ע (ra Strong's 7451b. ra: evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity

Definition
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity

It does not matter what the translators inserted in that word's transit to English, but KNOWING that that word 'רָ֑ע (ra' is TRUELY defined as 'EVIL'

The Word of God states : 'evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity', They are all evil by definition through DISCERNMENT in Spirit.

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the transit words of the translators : disaster, bad times, calamity, sorrow, evil, woe, hardship , The translators added more words to soften the effect of knowing what evil is.

Knowing first :

Genesis 2:1
1Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

2And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

The knowledge of 'evil' is not against the The righteousness of God Spiritual Knowledge, the act or actions of evil are the oppositions/rebellion/fallen/disobedience of God Spirit.

Here is 'satan's' original sin, plain as day is the false accusation from 'satan' of God's Truth.

"he[satan] said to the woman, “Has God indeed said,"

What mankind will never discern is that all the actions of satan are indeed 'evil from the beginning as Jesus stated.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

>>>> And we have mankind's teachers teach[action of evil] : "OH NO!!!! ..... satan was God's most beautiful of all angels and rebelled against God for UNKNOWN REASONS."

The Word of God states :

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

>>>> And we have mankind's teachers teach[action of evil] : "OH NO!!!! ..... Jesus is coming to RAPTURE all those who believe in him."

The Word of God states :

Hebrews 2:10
God, for whom and through whom everything was made, chose to bring many children into glory. And it was only right that he should make Jesus, through his suffering, a perfect leader, fit to bring them into their salvation.

>>>> And we have mankind's teachers teach[action of evil] : "OH NO!!!! ..... Why God must we SUFFER?"

"If you suffer, it is because you are not giving your tithes to this religion, start giving or give more "

Hakawaka, post: These are indeed true verses. But it makes me think, why is the devil then blamed for all the evil?

Can you not see, how mankind flesh minds can not DISCERN what is Spiritual Truth ?!?

INSTEAD of taking the blame for their own man-flesh made conceptions and causalities of evil, they invent a straw-man, from what God created as mankind 'adversary to obtaining what is Spiritual Truth' .

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

>>>> God is indeed the creator of ALL including 'evil' and we are commanded to pray as follows :

Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Soon those lions will come a posting their subtle roars.

I did not add the only the at the end.

Josepus86 said:

Someone asserts that God is the author of evil/sin, and refers to Isaiah 45:7, what would your response be?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

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The way I see it, it is like creating shadow puppets. If God were not light, there could be no shadow but He is not the source of the shadow, the object blocking the light is the source of the shadow.