Is it a waste to pray against your true feelings?

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I would not head to a fruitless debate if I was you your time is better spent doing any thing else
Time is best spent
Blessing the Lord.

I live
To bless the Lord.

I'm addicted to
the feeling it gives me.
 

Suze

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I know we are supposed to pray for our enemies and wish good upon them. And I do that. But I sometimes wonder, is it a waste of time because the Lord knows my heart. And in my heart I genuinely dont want good things for that person who steals my car. I want him to crash in that stolen vehicle.

So my question is: should I still pray for that person? This is a hypothetical btw, no one has stolen my car, just making an example.

I have been praying for evil people because the Bible tells me to do so, and as for my genuine feelings, I always put that up as "flesh vs the spirit", my flesh is fighting the spirit. But am I just praying for no reason if I genuinely dont feel love towards that person?

What do you guys say?
Ok , so I know it was just an example but let's take it for real and walk through it . Someone steals your car , what should your Christian attitude be to that ? Strictly speaking u should genuinely forgive them , that car wasn't really yours was it ? God loaned u that car . Everything u have is just loaned to u from God . Maybe the person who stole your car needed it much more than u did . Maybe God gave them your car because He knew u would forgive them . Maybe God took that car away from u for a very good reason ? Maybe , now u don't have a car your life will change in some way that will work out better for u . If someone took your car in desperation to get to the hospital to visit someone before they died and , on the way they wrapped your car and themselves around a tree , u wouldn't really b happy about that would u ? I've read your posts and know u would not rejoice in their death .
I'm sure I speak for very many people on here when I say , people have done some awful things to me .
Everyone of my life's experiences , especially the unpleasant ones , have changed me and I think for the better . I have a lot of stuff , books and DVDs and CDs by the hundreds , they have given me an enormous amount of pleasure , but it's just stuff . It's nothing to me . Any and every thing in this physical life is nothing , less than nothing . Anything I have , and u want it , u can have it . Forgive , let go and grow closer to the real treasure .
 

Blain

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Ok , so I know it was just an example but let's take it for real and walk through it . Someone steals your car , what should your Christian attitude be to that ? Strictly speaking u should genuinely forgive them , that car wasn't really yours was it ? God loaned u that car . Everything u have is just loaned to u from God . Maybe the person who stole your car needed it much more than u did . Maybe God gave them your car because He knew u would forgive them . Maybe God took that car away from u for a very good reason ? Maybe , now u don't have a car your life will change in some way that will work out better for u . If someone took your car in desperation to get to the hospital to visit someone before they died and , on the way they wrapped your car and themselves around a tree , u wouldn't really b happy about that would u ? I've read your posts and know u would not rejoice in their death .
I'm sure I speak for very many people on here when I say , people have done some awful things to me .
Everyone of my life's experiences , especially the unpleasant ones , have changed me and I think for the better . I have a lot of stuff , books and DVDs and CDs by the hundreds , they have given me an enormous amount of pleasure , but it's just stuff . It's nothing to me . Any and every thing in this physical life is nothing , less than nothing . Anything I have , and u want it , u can have it . Forgive , let go and grow closer to the real treasure .
Again I say you are very wise
 

Suze

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Yes , so true . I've also found that when a brother or sister wounds u , it cuts much deeper because they r your brother / sister . We expect much better if our family in Christ and a wound from one of them stings much more than if an atheist or idolater insults us . This is the true test if our live and forgiveness . It's easy to forgive those who don't know any better but , we hold our family in Christ to a much higher standard and so we should . Same thing happened to Jesus , it was not an enemy that reproached me but mine own true friend . In our congregations is where we r truly tested .
 
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Happy Independence Day to everyone reading this post!
I did not see a thread devoted to such on the forum. Perhaps I missed it, so I'm going to do my best to remind us of the blood that was shed for America to Become the great land of the free.

In keeping with the theme, one awesome movie, The Patriot reminds me most of our holiday. The following scene should also be on topic.
If you have not seen the movie, the character played by Mel Gibson is, like myself a peaceful man who tries to keep his eldest boy out of the war. I can relate, even though I have not been blessed with a wife and children.

Before anyone is tempted to make a flippant remark of how such a man in his shoes should "get past it", "forgive and forget," "suck it up and put it behind you" "just give the commander a hug," "law of attraction", "after all you have more children", please put yourself in the main character's shoes.
I've had to do this more than once.
It was real life.

 
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I know we are supposed to pray for our enemies and wish good upon them. And I do that. But I sometimes wonder, is it a waste of time because the Lord knows my heart. And in my heart I genuinely dont want good things for that person who steals my car. I want him to crash in that stolen vehicle.

So my question is: should I still pray for that person? This is a hypothetical btw, no one has stolen my car, just making an example.

I have been praying for evil people because the Bible tells me to do so, and as for my genuine feelings, I always put that up as "flesh vs the spirit", my flesh is fighting the spirit. But am I just praying for no reason if I genuinely dont feel love towards that person?

What do you guys say?
Maybe consider that Jesus suffered and died bled for thier sins just the way he did for you. It’s hard to go of grudges when we look at what Jesus did so they could be forgiven for thier sins …. Even the ones against us .

reflecting on Jesus suffering for me and my sins is one thing reflecting on Jesus suffering for someone who has offended or does some bad thing towards us or another we love or something. Is another thing and has a lot of power towards forgiveness.

of course it wasn’t just the nails he endured on our behalf they spit upon him , insulted and accused and mocked him as he suffered as they put it upon him. He was beaten and spit on by the Jews and then by the gentile soldiers of course that crown of thrones he wore couldn’t have felt great pressed against his head as they struck him again and again

he was then led through the streets paraded as a criminal a blasphemer of all things they accused the lord of stripped of his clothing as they haggled over his garments after they drove the bails through his hands and feet . Imagine all the agony and sorrow he must have felt the one who came to save us the one who created us…..

those other people we can’t get past things they do or have done or said thier sins are the same as ours we don’t want to hold them against others because he suffered and died to pay for even those offenses we take hits on …..

look to Jesus brother always shines light for us at crossroads
 
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Happy Independence Day to everyone reading this post!
I did not see a thread devoted to such on the forum. Perhaps I missed it, so I'm going to do my best to remind us of the blood that was shed for America to Become the great land of the free.

In keeping with the theme, one awesome movie, The Patriot reminds me most of our holiday. The following scene should also be on topic.
If you have not seen the movie, the character played by Mel Gibson is, like myself a peaceful man who tries to keep his eldest boy out of the war. I can relate, even though I have not been blessed with a wife and children.

Before anyone is tempted to make a flippant remark of how such a man in his shoes should "get past it", "forgive and forget," "suck it up and put it behind you" "just give the commander a hug," "law of attraction", "after all you have more children", please put yourself in the main character's shoes.
I've had to do this more than once.
It was real life.
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I accidentally posted a famous scene from Braveheart in my last post. When I went to correct it, the post would not reset and allow correction.
Here's the one I hope you Dads would Put yourself in Benjamin's (Mel Gibson's character) shoes. If you have not seen it, rent the movie and watch it all the way through without interruption. I've had to do that in reality more times than I can mention at this point.