Does man have a freewill ?

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Cameron143

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lrs68 said:
But you claim a person is awaken when God draws them. But if they can reject or accept after being drawn according to your beliefs they are awaken doing it. That makes it free will if they've been awakened.
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They aren't simply awakened. They are given a new heart. Their nature has been altered. They always choose God at that point.
 
homwardbound

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Magenta said:

Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths.
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Amazing grace, given by God only, revealed through Son who took away sin for us all at that cross in his shed blood in place of bulls and goats, that is talked of in Hebrews 10 to me at least. Father was not satisfied and Gave unsolicited mercy over sacrifice in that last sacrifice of Son, done once for everyone. Wow! thank you Father, purge my conscience of sin, I trust you the only one that can do that and did that for us all through Son Jesus to us all. Now is the day, Today is the day to believe you, trust you and be new in you, me no more doing the work, I have been taught to do in my youth by others to do or else. I agree do right, and be loved by God
Yet, today I see I am loved by God, God revealed that to me in Son Jesus for us all. Therefore I see to love as am loved first by God in risen Son. I am blown away, that old first birth self of wanting, going, going, gone. To see I shall not want, why? Because I, we are given everything needed for life and Godliness from God
Wow! Psalm 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26
 
homwardbound

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lrs68 said:
If God reveals Himself or draws a person to Him and they are able to reject Him they rejected God because they choose to. Romans 1 tells us that.

So if God manifests Himself or draws a person to Him and they come aren't they doing the opposite of rejecting God?

If rejecting God is choice like the Bible claims then how is coming to\accepting God not choice?

This is where the Reformed Doctrine is flawed.
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Everyone, has the free choice to accept God or not As love (1 Cor 13:4-7). As I see Daddy, PaPa, Father continue in his love and mercy given us through Son. Romans 8 floors me. I then one day asked why are you still, loving me? Answer, that is what love does, continues from God to us all. As God takes all troubles and uses them, does not cause them, uses them to work toward our good in the long haul, for me, this I now see after many tragedies here on this earth
Thank you Brother
 
Melach

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lrs68 said:
Ok, so if rejecting God is choice or by the will of a person to do then why isn't the opposite of rejecting God but accepting God also not be done the same way?
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because once again man is not neutral. man is enslaved to sin. that is why. just like a dog who loves to eat treats will not choose to not eat em.
 
homwardbound

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brightfame52 said:
Huh ? What does all this mean ?
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Father, will reveal this to you, Thank you Daddy. All in Papa, Father's Timing, knowing who, when and where to reveal anything to anyone that stands in belief to his love and mercy of Son for them personally, especially going through troubles and does not stop belief to God
Love you as I am not qualified, God only is to share what has been shared with me first and not be anyone better than anyone else, thanks
 
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homwardbound said:
Then as one, anyone goes out and about and does their own will(s) according to how one, anyone believes things to be, looking, searching for peace, do not find everlasting peace in them, until one decides to believe God in God's love for them of Son on that cross that took away sin, the condemnation that people still do to themselves and others as well, even though Son died once for us all to reconcile all as forgiven, reconciled from God Father of Son for them first, that is done John 19:30. Which that is what the cross did once for us all reconciled everyone as forgiven by God first Hebrews 10:1-10
Now, Son is risen by Father, Daddy Papa as proof Son is the way, the truth, the new life offered to us all to stand in and see new in Col 1:1-23. Made perfect by Father through Son's done. work, still in need for new life to get given us in trust to Daddy, for us in risen son to us a gift, not of works of another flesh ever, to me at least thank you
There are many from the First (Old Testament) that trusted God even unto death. that Satan then put them in Spirit prison, having the keys to Heaven and Hell then, before the risen Son Jesus took away those keys Satan had and defeated Satan Revelations 1
They were in Spirit prison waiting for the Messiah and Jesus showed up there for three days according to Peter in Peter's Epistles, thanks as we each learn daily in trust to God alone to each us each personally truth over error
Lets play a game called "Truth or error" not dare, love you all, the same as God does
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lrs68 said:
But you claim a person is awaken when God draws them. But if they can reject or accept after being drawn
according to your beliefs they are awaken doing it. That makes it free will if they've been awakened.
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Scripture says those given to Jesus by God WILL come to Him. Doesn't really look like there is wiggle room, there.


John 6 verse 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
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homwardbound

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Cameron143 said:
They aren't simply awakened. They are given a new heart. Their nature has been altered. They always choose God at that point.
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Ezekiel 36:26 in the done work of Son for us all to either believe it or not. Psalm 103:12 prediction done in Son, all sin now is as far as the east is from the west. That happened at the cross in the taking away of all sin first John 1:29 and then he yelled John 19:30, before any new life could ever get given anyone, Father, the Holy Spirit living inside and teaching us each new, once anyone tells Father, (not necessary to tell others) if are telling others that, please, do not be a show and tell, to have rewards here only, thank you Psalm 1:1-4 Rather delight in Love and mercy given you first, before doing that to all, thank you, God knows best as wants best for us all Jeremiah 29:11
 
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lrs68 said:
Actually Peter tells us there are people who were APPOINTED [CALLED \ DRAWN BY GOD] but they were disobedient and rejected God.

8 For they stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.......

But nice try ignoring that people who were APPOINTED to be Believers still disobeyed and rejected God.
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homwardbound said:
Father, will reveal this to you, Thank you Daddy. All in Papa, Father's Timing, knowing who, when and where to reveal anything to anyone that stands in belief to his love and mercy of Son for them personally, especially going through troubles and does not stop belief to God
Love you as I am not qualified, God only is to share what has been shared with me first and not be anyone better than anyone else, thanks
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Rabbit trail talk now
 
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brightfame52 said:
Lol mans will does sin willingly under the control of Gods sovereignty, and so he is guilty because he sinned willfully, not by coercion. Adam from Gods purpose standpoint had no other choice but to sin, to disobey, but he did it willingly making him culpable
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Listen to yourself: Man sins willingly controlled by God's sovereignty is the definition of coercion!
"Having no other choice is willing and culpable" is completely illogical!
 
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Joshua 24:14-15 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
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Mem

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There's a bridge, but you can't see it. You just have to trust that it's there and step onto it, with all attention on the gigantic chasm that it traverses... It's scary, but you have to do it, because it's there, given to you, f*or a reason.... What will you do?
*there's a good answer
 
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brightfame52 said:
Now Rom 1 says absolutely nothing about God drawing them
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Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, to restrain.

In vs 19, we see what it is that men restrain ... that which may be known of God ... for God showed it to them. God reveals Himself, His truth, and that truth, that revelation is suppressed and restrained. So it is mankind who restrains. It is not God Who withholds.

In vs 20, God's eternal power and Godhead is suppressed, restrained, rejected and that is why they are without excuse.

There is no excuse come judgment day.
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Mem

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reneweddaybyday said:
Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, to restrain.

In vs 19, we see what it is that men restrain ... that which may be known of God ... for God showed it to them. God reveals Himself, His truth, and that truth, that revelation is suppressed and restrained. So it is mankind who restrains. It is not God Who withholds.

In vs 20, God's eternal power and Godhead is suppressed, restrained, rejected and that is why they are without excuse.

There is no excuse come judgment day.
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There is no excuse, especially that Jesus said, ask, seek, find. So, the good answer to my previously posed question in #38. The best answer is, "Ask to see the bridge." And the lights WILL come on, lovingly, even.
 
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