The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Lamar

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For it is BY GRACE WE HAVE BEEN SAVED (grace alone) THROUGH FAITH (God will not force you to recieve his gift of salvation)

why would anyone want to add their filthy rotten rrags to the grace of God and think God will accept this as payment for sin.
Why would anyone be so arrogant as to change the Word of God by attaching a definitive (alone) to a scripture?

Just let the verses mean what is stated and without your add-ons.
 
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Why would anyone be so arrogant as to change the Word of God by attaching a definitive (alone) to a scripture?

Just let the verses mean what is stated and without your add-ons.
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who else but Jesus suffered and died for your sins ? If it was only Jesus seems elementary
 

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You have posted it more than twice.

"Elohim" IS the plural of God. I would think being a double secret agent of Moses Hebrew you would know that :

אֵ֔ל

Is the singular.

Or show us different.
You use words in English like ain't that means nothing to anyone else so why is there an issue with God defining Elohim as singular?

Doesn't God have that right?
 
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Yeah no one’s rejecting what the Bible teaches of the father son and holy ghost some just acknolwedge that they are one

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

airs not a denial of “ the trinity “ a
Man made term By the way but it’s not denying the fether son and Holy Ghost to aconolwedge they are one and tbat Christ jesus is that one in which they all dwell ….

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( in one person Jesus ) And ye are complete in him,( jesus ) which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its not denial, it’s just acknowledging what’s actually taught about the father son and Holy Ghost and the name of Jesus Christ our one lord and savior

inthink some figure of tbey disagree with someone the persons a heretic but what if what they are saying is also stated pretty plainly in scripture ? Seems like they pro a lot are just learning what’s n the Bible
 

Kroogz

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i believe what the Bible says about the father the son and the holy ghost is that’s what you mean .

My position is the father the son and the Holy Ghost are one .

Now before you explain why that’s wrong , I think you will consider scripture as to why I believe Jesus is the one .

So please consider why my position is what it is

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

So I believe Jesus is one with the father

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and tbat the Holy Ghost is Jesus spirit

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So yes of course I believe in the father the son and the Holy Ghost . I believe they are one and revealed in one who is Jesus Christ

finally to keep this short rather than keep repeating the same things I would just summarize what I believe here

“There is one body, of Jesus Christ )

and one Spirit, ( of Jesus Christ )

even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; ( eternal life in Christ Jesus )

one Lord, ( Jesus is lord )

one faith, ( in Christ Jesus )

one baptism, ( into Christ jesus )

one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”( father son and Holy Ghost manifest in one lord and king )
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭

So yea brother I’ve read and prayed and everything and of soirée I believe in the three aspects of the one god .


The difference in my view and some others view here is that I Believe Jesus is the fulness of the trinity in one body with one name

So this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of

the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The only name there that is for the fulness of the godhead or “ trinity “ is Jesus one name

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i don’t know what you guys mean by “ oneness doctrine “ I’m just talking about what I’ve read on the Bible it seems to me that Jesus is the manifestation of God in full tbat he’s one with the father and his spirit is the holy ghost the spirit of Gods son .

some say god is three persons but I would say God is one person and has manifest himself in three ways the father in heaven the god of glory no man has seen , the son Jesus who came to earth to manifest that God to the world in himself and the holy spirit of Christ Jesus the son of God whicch makes us his children

“At that day ye shall

know that I am in my Father,

and ye in me,

and I in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬

I am in him ( father )ye are in me ( son) and I am you ( holt ghost )

I believe god is one and has a living spirit and also came to be born among us in the flesh and body of Jesus Christ the one name under heaven by which we must be saved

i believe God is one and the father son and holy spirit are the three aspects of his identity but I don’t believe in three gods no , rather than he is one
Well, it seems I was wrong about your stance. The Trinity is a core Christian tenant.

Three distinct persons in one essence.
 

Kroogz

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You use words in English like ain't that means nothing to anyone else so why is there an issue with God defining Elohim as singular?

Doesn't God have that right?
Still. With my limited knowledge, I have given more to prove my point than you have.

I can do the same as you:

God showed me that "Elohim" is plural. Don't make me post this twice!

The resources I have at my finger tips show me plural. So show me your resources that say it is singular.
 
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Well, it seems I was wrong about your stance. The Trinity is a core Christian tenant.

Three distinct persons in one essence.
“Three distinct persons in one essence.”

yeah the only difference is I wouldn’t say three different or distinct persons bit theee manifestations of the same one person in three roles . necessary to save us

We needed the son and spirit in order to be redeemed unto the father
 

Lamar

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In the old English, Peter said repent ye (plural) and let every one of you (singular) be baptized.

In the Greek. Repent is 2nd person plural and is resolved by the phrase you shall recieve the gift of the Holy SPirit

Be baptized is second person singular. and is resolved by unto the remission of sin.

So gift of the spirit is given to all who repents.

the command to be baptized is given to these individuals. who had already received remission of sin.

which fits. as he said, those who believed (repented) were baptized.
All this twisted sentence dissecting just to protect a theology without a verse to cite (faith alone)???

Would you use this reasoning with Luke 5:4? Be honest.

When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into the deep water, and let down your nets for a catch.”
 

Lamar

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“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who else but Jesus suffered and died for your sins ? If it was only Jesus seems elementary
Jesus alone... John 14:6.

faith alone... no verses.
 
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All detailed conversion accounts involved both water and Spirit. One did not negate the other. The accounts establish that the NT water baptism is an essential element of the rebirth. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
A person can be batised a thousand times and it doesn't mean anything unless they put their trust in Our father.

I'm penicoatal but not under oneness theology i have been baptised. Baptism is important it's just not necessary for salvation. I said baptism wasn't important but what I meant was in collation to salvation. just don't believe if someone cat follow obedience at death to be baptised that does not mean they aren't save.

"One man was saved upon the cross that none should despair, and only one, that none should presume" Spurgeon

“Only one man in the Bible was saved at the last moment, and that was the thief on the cross. Don’t risk your soul by waiting until your deathbed" billy graham​

God's mercy endures forever say an elderly person hated for something that happened in their childhood and becuase of Alzheimer's reverted back to a child mindset is now willing to accept Jesus Christ i believe these people God will have mercy on and will be saved even without a baptism.
 
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here is a few for you to ponder on concerning the gospel. grace and works.

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN



In the old English, Peter said repent ye (plural) and let every one of you (singular) be baptized.

In the Greek. Repent is 2nd person plural and is resolved by the phrase you shall recieve the gift of the Holy SPirit

Be baptized is second person singular. and is resolved by unto the remission of sin.

So gift of the spirit is given to all who repents.

the command to be baptized is given to these individuals. who had already received remission of sin.

which fits. as he said, those who believed (repented) were baptized.



The author of hebrews says the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin.

They pointed to Christ. who is the lamb of God who took all sin, from adam until the last man sins. on the cross.

it is the cross that saves all men in all ages
My question to you!

"You tell ME what a person has to do to be saved. Please make it VERY CLEAR using scripture."

YOU gave me HIS word, I did not ask you to share HIS WORD I asked you WHAT DO A PERSON HAVE TO DO TO BE SAVED!!

Do you know what happens to people WHO ADD OR TAKE AWAY HIS WORD? YOU DO NOW.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Your OPINOIN of HIS WORD is USLESS and you will be held responsible for the words that come out of your mouth.

IT'S NOT to late, you can repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins, and JESUS promised to fill you with his spirit.
 
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All detailed conversion accounts involved both water and Spirit. One did not negate the other. The accounts establish that the NT water baptism is an essential element of the rebirth. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
Sorry that was the wrong draft


A person can be baptised a thousand times and it doesn't mean anything unless they can put their trust in Our savior Jesus Christ.

I'm penicoatal but not under oneness theology i have been baptised. When we are baptised our father Is happy with our obedience. I just don't think it's nessasry in all cases for instance someone on there death bed for salvation.

'One man was saved upon the cross that none should despair, and only one, that none should presume" Spurgeon

“Only one man in the Bible was saved at the last moment, and that was the thief on the cross. Don’t risk your soul by waiting until your deathbed" billy graham

God's mercy endures forever say an elderly person hated for something that happened in their childhood and becuase of Alzheimer's reverted back to a child mindset is now willing to accept Jesus Christ i believe these people God will have mercy on and will be saved even without a baptism.
 

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Still. With my limited knowledge, I have given more to prove my point than you have.

I can do the same as you:

God showed me that "Elohim" is plural. Don't make me post this twice!

The resources I have at my finger tips show me plural. So show me your resources that say it is singular.
It's impossible that God told Moses Elohim is singular and to you it's plural.

That means God lied to someone.

Who should I believe between you and Moses?
 
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Jesus alone... John 14:6.

faith alone... no verses.
the issue is understanding what faith is and where ot comes from . when they see things like meant to teach us about saving faith they invent reasons it isn’t true or doesn’t apply to us

“But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:18-24, 26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

airs an easy to understand teaching especially if you know the story of faithful Abraham and his promised covenant and how he believed God first and god called him righteous …..and then he was tested and acted in faith later fulfilling Gods word of righteousness .

But instead a few create all these concepts like “ that’s only for the people James was specifically writing to “ it doesn’t apply I’m saved by grace through faith” or “only Paul’s letters apply to us “ or “ you just don’t get it “

even though it just plainly says what it says most often . There’s alot of this now days

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

many act and think as if this can’t happen

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ that’s salvation by works I’m saved by grace I don’t need to do anything ypur just wrong and crazy to preach that stuff “

It was always going to happen that many in the church would part from true doctrine and embrace fables and false teachers both Peter and Paul foretold it . I’d say we’re probably on the back end of that because there are many doctrines taught and believed , even some tbat are completely designed to avoid the real gospel that promises salvation and create another