The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

You must be spiritually baptized to be saved. You should read the Greek words being used for baptism. One is for water and the other is for spirit and several times you have misused them both.

So the stipulation of the second clause negates the stipulation of the first clause in the very same sentence?

Jesus is speaking out of both sides of His mouth?

This is the forced logic of the faith alone regeneration theology.

I know you don't use this line of reasoning with other subjects.

The postmaster said:

"All those who have a properly stamped envelope and a proper address will have their mail delivered but those without a properly stamped envelope will not be delivered."

Does the omission of "proper address" show that the postmaster does not make a properly addressed envelope absolutely necessary for delivery? Does the lack of delivery rests on improper addressing and not on the lack of proper postage?

NOWHERE does the Postmaster say, "proper address or no delivery".

See post #902.

"your point is mute."?

And you call me a buffoon?

What Greek word is for spirit baptism?

You call people buffoon and you want him removed? What is wrong with you?

Are you that thin skinned?

βαπτίζω (baptizō), meaning to immerse or baptize, and πνεῦμα (pneuma), meaning spirit.

Do Oneness believers also believe works save people?

You are not understanding the thief on the cross event. Jesus was yet alive when he forgave the thief on the cross and made him the promise, no different than others Jesus forgave while alive. This is significant because, while Jesus was alive, the OT was still in effect and baptism as an essential part of salvation didn't come into play until the NT began. Read below extract from Hebrews

Hebrews 9:16-17

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

There's still no example in the New Testament what you are claiming other than what you are making up as a personal doctrine. You are doing the same thing the Reformed do with predestination.

AMEN, how did I misuse them?

No one knows how if the thief was or wasn’t baptized .

“And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭

“Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— although in fact it was not Jesus who was baptizing them, but his disciples.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭NIV‬‬

They went around baptizing people for three years while Jesus preached the gospel. There’s no way fornus to know if the thief had been baptized or not . He definetely had heard Jesus preaching because he mentions his kingdom and refers to him as lord. Jesus was preaching to sinners and calling them to repentance . The thief is a bad example of how we don’t need baptism people use but there’s nothing to say he was not baptized beforehand

They can’t make this connection

What Jesus commanded them to do

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

What they did after they received the holy ghost

“Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

“But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:48‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

They aren’t correlating the name of the Lord and savior with salvation


“By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭

“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Yet it’s like it’s unheard of that Jesus is the name of the lord who died to remit our sins and his name is the only name ….

Your faith is obviously not in Jesus Christ alone for salvation which explains why you have so much faith in water baptism for salvation. If one views Jesus as insufficient to save them, then the only alternative for that person is to turn to supplements.

Now a better analogy for Mark 16:16 would be, "he who takes his medication and washes it down with water will be made well, but he who does not take his medication will remain sick." Even though it logically follows that we wash medication down with water it's still the medication that makes a person well and not the water and if no water is available and the person takes the medication dry (been there, done that) they will still be made well "because of the medication."

Your misguided logic does not change the fact that it's the lack of belief that causes condemnation in Mark 16:16 and not the lack of baptism. Also, Jesus connects receiving eternal life with belief nine different times in (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) with no mention of baptism. But you are not interested in properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. Instead, you only seem to care about applying your eisegesis to your pet verses in order to accommodate your biased church doctrine.

If water baptism was important the bible wouldn't say Romans 10:13 "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"

John 6:53-58 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Then to show Jesus is the baptism the bible says John 19:34-35 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

Yes, I did. That was being polite. When someone tells others that they are giving false hope to those who die without water baptism and are not saved, it is a false teacher like you who does that and says that.

Actually, I'm fat and good-looking

Jesus specifically says that “Not everyone who says, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven.” So what does “calling on the name of the Lord mean”? The Bible gives us the answer, so we do not have to guess. Acts 22:16 Ananias told Saul of Tarsus to “Arise, and be BAPTIZED and wash away your sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” When you do what God says to do in His word, ALL of what God says, when you are baptized to wash away your sins, you ARE “calling on the name of the lord.”. This is what it means I have it on the best authority—God.

I really can’t understand how you can think that baptism is unimportant—unless you have been listening to MEN and not reading and studying your Bible; because men will tell you that, but the Bible actually paints a different picture. Just look at these scriptures:

Mark 16:16- Jesus, the Son of God, said, “ He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. That is literally the same as saying, 1 + 1 =2. Belief + Baptism = Salvation.
man says, Belief — Baptism = Salvation. That is like saying, 1 — 1 = 2 Wrong answer.
Or, Belief = Salvation. Which is still like 1 = 2. Wrong answer. Scripturally and mathematically, Baptism is necessary to salvation and “belief only” is false . Just as James 2:24 says in the scriptures.

Acts 2:38 “…be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.”
The Holy Spirit says that baptism is for the remission of sins. That seems important to me—even necessary to be saved.

1 Peter 3:21- Peter says, “Baptism does now SAVE us.” If God wanted to tell us that baptism is necessary to be saved, how could He tell us any BETTER OR PLAINER than what He has already said by the Holy Spirit in His word??

After seeing what God has said about baptism in the Bible, I don’t understand how anyone can say it is unimportant.

I meant in the event if one is dying it's unimportant becuase one can be save by repenting and believing on Jesus. Jesus is the baptism.

I'm sorry, I should not have been so short with you. Forgive me.

As no where in His word says "people who repent and believe on their death bed go to hell?"

We can find where JESUS sent people to Hell for NOT OBEYING.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

HE WILL NOT CHANGE HIS RULES.

Matthew 7:24-27
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Here are People WHO MAY HAVE COMMITTED THEIR WHOLE LIFE working for him and HE SENT THEM TO HELL.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

No where in HIS word does it say, repent and believe and your reborn.

What was those foke's who worked for him MISSING???

He said verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

HE NEVER KNEW THEM, NEVER.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

We ARE born in sin, HE WILL NOT HEAR US, how do we get HIM TO HEAR US?

The ONLY way is bring REBORN, how do we do that?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The FIRST message preached in Jerusalem that JESUS promised.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Strange thing is who was THE FIRST ones to hear the message, the Jews who had him hung on the cross.

JESUS is showing us we are to forgive those who do us wrong.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

THEY GLADLY RECEIVED HIS WORD AND WAS REBORN.

How many times have those on their death bed received HIS WORD and REJECTED IT?

ALL IN LOVE.