Does the church ignore single Christians? Where are we supposed to go?!?

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Lynx

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Of course that is part of the mission....even the object of the exercise.

But churches exist to have programs. Not fleecing the flock or having a weekly stagecraft event (even though that is usually a major program)

A specially designed program to proselytize singles is not in the cards due to single adult flakeyness. Meaning those who wish to create a community will have more luck trying to herd cats. (If they can withstand the singles whining)

Because the second you ask a single adult to do something to help promote a gathering the first thing you ALWAYS hear is a polite "no". If you insist, then comes the more emphatic "You are not the boss of me".
And it doesn't matter how simple, quick or easy the task....this is what you always get back from them. Singles specialize in not gaining any responsibilities or being relied upon by anyone. They want to be free of such encumbrances that they perceive as a restraint upon their freedom. (Which is in truth a slave's ring through their nose....but I'm digressing here....they really don't understand why it is that way and most never will)

Good luck.
Most singles groups I've been a part of were little more than meat markets of flakey women and frustrated men. Even though the guys were usually fairly solid the women were trying to out-flirt the other women with clothing, makeup, and hairstyles....but the second one of the guys paid attention they were instantly scolded and berated into complete submission of such incredulous ideology as to even ponder the idea of asking a woman to meet up for coffee. Especially if the guy was not super wealthy.
The few guys who were successful in meeting a few of the women for coffee were labeled as dogs and hounds only interested in one thing. (Whether they did say anything untowards or not)


So....
This is why most churches do not promote singles. The rumors of them being meat markets will always outshine the reality. Most guys truly don't want the slander in their lives.
I heard a theory. It's not my theory, but I really like this theory. So I'm stealing it. I mean I'm appropriating it. Yeah.

The theory is that you hang around the singles forum for the same reason a racist person maintains a friendship with a black man. For defense. That way when somebody calls you on how you spout off about singles, you can claim, I'm not a singlist. Look, I have friends who are single!
 

HopeinHim98

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#82
Just going by the way I was taught grammar and the proper usage of I/me, your initial statement was not incorrect. 🤓

If you want to test your phrasing, just remove the other subject and complete the sentence.

"This was true for me" = "This this was true for me and my wife"

Or....

"I had the same experience" = "My wife and I had the same experience"

🤓
Lol, good job! I was wanting to say the same thing but decided it would be a lot to explain, but you did great.
 

cinder

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But churches exist to have programs.
That's got to be the least spiritual or Christian take on church you could hear from a normal person. No one should be listening to spiritual advice from anyone who says such a thing. Churches exist to:
  • Bear witness to Jesus
  • support one another through the challenges of life and attacks of the enemy
  • help believers grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ
  • be a light to their community and nation
  • etc
the programs are the means not the end.

A specially designed program to proselytize singles is not in the cards due to single adult flakeyness. Meaning those who wish to create a community will have more luck trying to herd cats. (If they can withstand the singles whining)

Because the second you ask a single adult to do something to help promote a gathering the first thing you ALWAYS hear is a polite "no". If you insist, then comes the more emphatic "You are not the boss of me".
And it doesn't matter how simple, quick or easy the task....this is what you always get back from them. Singles specialize in not gaining any responsibilities or being relied upon by anyone. They want to be free of such encumbrances that they perceive as a restraint upon their freedom.
We can only assume this is what you were like as a single. And often singles in the church find themselves not asked or not asked to do anything more than janitorial jobs, childcare, or waiting tables especially during the events for married people when they want to let all the married people participate so they need the singles to do all the work of running the thing. Wouldn't be so annoying if it was reciprocated, but as this thread indicates, it's not.

Good luck.
Most singles groups I've been a part of were little more than meat markets ....but the second one of the guys paid attention they were instantly scolded and berated ...
The few guys who were successful in meeting a few of the women for coffee were labeled as dogs and hounds only interested in one thing.

So....
This is why most churches do not promote singles. The rumors of them being meat markets will always outshine the reality.
I think the fear of this, and the very real challenges involved in discipling single adults in community is one of the reasons churches don't have much for singles. But honestly, it seems like it's more cowardice and self preservation on the part of the churches who don't want to have to disciple people through the stages of relationship and surging hormones and who I don't think really know how to do it all that well and Godly either (christians seem to have just as much issue with pornography as non christians). Then there's liability issues and can someone sue the church if the guy they met in the church singles group gives them a ride home and gets too handsy (or worse). I don't know that I blame churches for those concerns, but it sure seems like we've abandoned the battle and left singleville and its inhabitants to the enemy.
 

tourist

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#84
Just going by the way I was taught grammar and the proper usage of I/me, your initial statement was not incorrect. 🤓

If you want to test your phrasing, just remove the other subject and complete the sentence.

"This was true for me" = "This this was true for me and my wife"

Or....

"I had the same experience" = "My wife and I had the same experience"

🤓
You taught a very good, easily understood, grammar lesson. :)
 

JohnDB

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#85
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It is not universal dear I agree with Lynx. This is a problem at your church and I am sorry but I blame your church leadership. There certainly is a loop hole in your discipleship system for the singles to do that.
Churches are divided in to ministries. Men, Women, Youths, Children ministries. They gather to have empower within for outward missions. Thus gathering singles is for same reason to empower them, build them and send them. this where your community falls short.
My humble contribution
I ain't got a clue what lynx said first off.

And considering the sheer volume of number of churches I have visited and know the membership of....I'm not just saying things to be difficult or throw cold water on your ideation.

I have zero issue disciplining singles....done it for decades.

The biggest crowds we got was when we hired a jamming Christian rock band for a while to play while we had a guy in blue jeans and a t-shirt or golf shirt (we preferred the t-shirts but he was difficult to deal with....at least he stopped wearing the nerd shirts) to deliver an 15 minute sermon followed by a 5 minute prayer session.
We also had open concessions of various sodas, water, snacks and sandwiches from chik filet.

And in a lot of ways it sucked too. Lots of plastic but little genuineness out of the fickle singles. Huge crowds of a couple hundred. Singles of all ages from college age to almost retirement.
 

Lynx

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#86
I ain't got a clue what lynx said first off.

And considering the sheer volume of number of churches I have visited and know the membership of....I'm not just saying things to be difficult or throw cold water on your ideation.

I have zero issue disciplining singles....done it for decades.

The biggest crowds we got was when we hired a jamming Christian rock band for a while to play while we had a guy in blue jeans and a t-shirt or golf shirt (we preferred the t-shirts but he was difficult to deal with....at least he stopped wearing the nerd shirts) to deliver an 15 minute sermon followed by a 5 minute prayer session.
We also had open concessions of various sodas, water, snacks and sandwiches from chik filet.

And in a lot of ways it sucked too. Lots of plastic but little genuineness out of the fickle singles. Huge crowds of a couple hundred. Singles of all ages from college age to almost retirement.
Meanwhile my pastor's son started a Bible study and prayer group at the college he was attending. It took off like a rocket. No band, no songs, no official sermon and no charge.

Definitely a lot of prayer though. Lots of prayer before the first meeting ever took place.
 

JohnDB

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That's got to be the least spiritual or Christian take on church you could hear from a normal person. No one should be listening to spiritual advice from anyone who says such a thing. Churches exist to:
  • Bear witness to Jesus
  • support one another through the challenges of life and attacks of the enemy
  • help believers grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ
  • be a light to their community and nation
  • etc
the programs are the means not the end.



We can only assume this is what you were like as a single. And often singles in the church find themselves not asked or not asked to do anything more than janitorial jobs, childcare, or waiting tables especially during the events for married people when they want to let all the married people participate so they need the singles to do all the work of running the thing. Wouldn't be so annoying if it was reciprocated, but as this thread indicates, it's not.



I think the fear of this, and the very real challenges involved in discipling single adults in community is one of the reasons churches don't have much for singles. But honestly, it seems like it's more cowardice and self preservation on the part of the churches who don't want to have to disciple people through the stages of relationship and surging hormones and who I don't think really know how to do it all that well and Godly either (christians seem to have just as much issue with pornography as non christians). Then there's liability issues and can someone sue the church if the guy they met in the church singles group gives them a ride home and gets too handsy (or worse). I don't know that I blame churches for those concerns, but it sure seems like we've abandoned the battle and left singleville and its inhabitants to the enemy.
Church organizations are run by board of directors or senior pastors. The attendance numbers and budget are something the "powers in charge" hold the leadership accountable for.

Even if the church is shrinking the number and types of programs the leadership has are of extreme importance. The average old couple in congregation membership oversee all. They expect vacation bible school (summer children program) and other Wednesday night programs for kids. Women's and men's groups and senior citizen groups....all deemed as programs. Small group bible studies and coffee clubs. Then there's outreach programs for some sort of altruistic endeavors for the community. Again labeled as a program.

So....since churches dont have limited resources they must treat them like a business for effectiveness by counting every detail of contact and productivity.

THATS WHY I say churches are all about programs. They have a BUNCH of them.
 

Mem

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#88
I have a sort of what I would call an RV ministry. That is, I consider myself to be a Re-creational Vessel that moves by a wheel within a wheel. And I also consider every individual that I holy roll up on exactly that first and foremost, with their marital status only an extension of their unique identity.
 
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You taught a very good, easily understood, grammar lesson. :)
Thanks! My mother taught High School English and Spanish, and when we were kids she used to say "Bzzzzttt!" whenever we used grammatically incorrect phrasing. I learnt it right real quick lol 😜.

Just FYI, you can use the same method to figure out she/her/he/him.

"He went to the store" "I went to the store" = "He and I went to the store".

🤓
 
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Does the church ignore single Christians?


ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! This or that Denominational Religious system / Local congregation may or may not interface properly with SINGLE FOLKS WHO ARE CHRISTIANS.

The ONE TRUE CHURCH which is that SPIRITUAL BODY comprised exclusively of all BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS through the ages, on the other hand, Deals with each individual Biblically and according to God's will in their lives (Rom 8:28, 29).
 
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Thanks! My mother taught High School English and Spanish, and when we were kids she used to say "Bzzzzttt!" whenever we used grammatically incorrect phrasing. I learnt it right real quick lol 😜.

Just FYI, you can use the same method to figure out she/her/he/him.

"He went to the store" "I went to the store" = "He and I went to the store".

🤓

Lol!

Why does something in me now want to say something on purpose that will make your Mom "Bzzzzzttt!" at me the next time I see her. ❤️😂🤣🤓

Don't tell her...

I want it to be a surprise when I break out the "me and them," "we's and he," and "I done's did it!" 😎😬😁

Somehow I would take your Mom Bzzzttt-ing at me as a compliment. 😹
 

Lynx

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#93
Lol!

Why does something in me now want to say something on purpose that will make your Mom "Bzzzzzttt!" at me the next time I see her. ❤️😂🤣🤓

Don't tell her...

I want it to be a surprise when I break out the "me and them," "we's and he," and "I done's did it!" 😎😬😁

Somehow I would take your Mom Bzzzttt-ing at me as a compliment. 😹
Yeah YOU probably would. :p
 
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Lol!

Why does something in me now want to say something on purpose that will make your Mom "Bzzzzzttt!" at me the next time I see her. ❤️😂🤣🤓

Don't tell her...

I want it to be a surprise when I break out the "me and them," "we's and he," and "I done's did it!" 😎😬😁

Somehow I would take your Mom Bzzzttt-ing at me as a compliment. 😹
Yeah YOU probably would. :p
It's not for me to just pester my OWN parents. 😎

Sometimes I have to spice things up by pestering other people's parents, too. 😬😇🤓
 
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#95
Thanks! My mother taught High School English and Spanish, and when we were kids she used to say "Bzzzzttt!" whenever we used grammatically incorrect phrasing. I learnt it right real quick lol 😜.

Just FYI, you can use the same method to figure out she/her/he/him.

"He went to the store" "I went to the store" = "He and I went to the store".

🤓
I'm going to the store tomorrow, Walmart, to pick up a few groceries.
 

JohnDB

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When I was in the Army serving in the 101st Airborne Division, the first sergeant said to me "Son, you need to get with the program".
Ft Campbell is a strange place....just saying. I spent years there building barracks and special ops buildings for them.
Soldiers were just fine...not a problem once out of any of them. I've seen a few get PTed into submission and compliance over minor infractions....and heard stories about some nurses at the hospital (while I was installing a new x-ray machine and table) My GC had the extreme displeasure of making a bump in a newly paved road by running some pipes under it and hired a poor contractor to do the work who really did not know what they were doing. The General was hot over that one. (Don't blame him one bit)

But the people in the city were some of the absolutely craziest I've ever dealt with. Nuts doesn't even begin to cover it. Dunno how or why....
I got hundreds of stories about them....only a few about soldiers.

There exists a fence around the base for a reason....it's not to keep the soldiers in either. It's to protect them from the locals.
 
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Ft Campbell is a strange place....just saying. I spent years there building barracks and special ops buildings for them.
Soldiers were just fine...not a problem once out of any of them. I've seen a few get PTed into submission and compliance over minor infractions....and heard stories about some nurses at the hospital (while I was installing a new x-ray machine and table) My GC had the extreme displeasure of making a bump in a newly paved road by running some pipes under it and hired a poor contractor to do the work who really did not know what they were doing. The General was hot over that one. (Don't blame him one bit)

But the people in the city were some of the absolutely craziest I've ever dealt with. Nuts doesn't even begin to cover it. Dunno how or why....
I got hundreds of stories about them....only a few about soldiers.

There exists a fence around the base for a reason....it's not to keep the soldiers in either. It's to protect them from the locals.
I was stationed at Ft. Campbell my entire enlistment. Lived in Clarksville. Went to Hopkinsville occasionally. I think that you are right about the fence.