Husbands can lift a bigger rock than wives can

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Some of my notes from many years ago on First Peter 3:7

First Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, when they see your pure and reverent conduct. Let your beauty not be external—the braiding of hair and wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes— but the inner person of the heart, the lasting beauty of a gentle and tranquil spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For in the same way the holy women who hoped in God long ago adorned themselves by being subject to their husbands, like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

Abstract
The admonishment to wives in this opening section of chapter three deals with a wife’s inner feminine disposition. In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength. More specifically, wives are the more vulnerable partner based on their inner femininity which in accordance with God’s creative purpose is one of the most admirable characteristics they (and women in general) possess. Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.

Rather than being described as “weaker,” wives are presented in their godly glory in the opening section of chapter three.
Although addressed to wives, some of these admonishings by Peter are of such a nature as to make them applicable to women in general.
This opening admonishing to wives appeals to their feminine qualities.
In the first part of chapter 3, Peter describes wives from the standpoint of their INNER beauty and spirit, but he does so by beginning with an external feature.

Their “adornment” (shows the transfer from external to internal) was in their submissive disposition. In fact, Peter seems to be using the external features of wives as a reflection of their inner selves.

Continuing Peter’s contrasts (from the external to the internal), one would expect the characteristic of the wives as being “weaker” to point toward something with their physical strength.

If there is any sense in which “weaker” (note this word is in parentheses) describes the wives’ physical strength (external), it does so only as a point of contrast to her inner disposition. Just as Peter uses external features or characteristics of the wives to go into her soul, so does the use of “weaker” point to their souls. But how is a soul “weaker”?

Weaker, as the preceding context indicates, points to a feminine quality. So, the question is further reduced to, “How is the wives’ femininity to be understood as ‘weaker’?

My suggestion is that the “weaker” sense Peter has in mind can better be understood as “more vulnerable.”

The relation between weaker and vulnerable seems too obvious to point out, but perhaps a few extra-biblical usages of this term will shed more light on what Peter was saying.

The weaker vessel/partner

weaker
vessel

II. to s. = the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in 2 Ep.Cor.4.7, echomen de ton thêsauron touton en ostrakinois skeuesin, cf. 1 Ep.Thess.4.4, 1 Ep.Pet. 3.7.

The vessel refers to the physical body, as made from the earth, but its function is to house and express the soul.
partner: where does this come from?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

This brief article attempts to make yet another contribution to our understanding of Peter’s obscure reference to wives as “weaker” partners. Remarkably, most seem to take Peter here to be referring to the fact that husbands can lift bigger rocks than wives. Most commentaries you check will identify this weaker state as related primarily to her physical body. But one wonders why husbands are to show honor to their wives based on the fact that they are physically stronger.

As Covey would have us do, I’d like to begin with the end in mind. What I will seek to demonstrate is the comparative of ASQENIA should be translated “more vulnerable.” And this vulnerability is related to the female’s femininity. One of the most attractive aspects of the female is here femininity. And the sense in which she is more vulnerable is those feminine qualities that the male finds alluring, and because of this vulnerability, the man seeks to complement her by his protection of her. This vulnerability, like that of an innocent child, is not a flaw, but an admirable quality.

Actually, Peter indicates here that due to their being “weaker,” husbands should hold their wives in honor. A brief look at some of the earlier, extra-biblical uses of the Greek word asqenhV may shed light on this somewhat elusive term Peter uses.

The resultant state of being “weak” is very often that of being made “vulnerable.” I think there is a natural affinity between being weak and vulnerable in the physical sense, at least within society.

They are the weaker of society. (neutral)

A defeated city is thereby made weaker. (become vulnerable to further attacks)

A child is said to be weaker. (more vulnerable)

When used of physical weakness, even then, the implication is that due to their physical weakness, they now become vulnerable.

Ancient

Xenophon, Cyropaedia

[30] And by making his own self-control an example, he disposed all to practice that virtue more diligently. For when the weaker (more vulnerable) members of society see that one who is in a position where he may indulge himself to excess is still under self-control, they naturally strive all the more not to be found guilty of any excessive indulgence.

(X.Cyr.8.1.30)

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (1.141.2,3)

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens (their vulnerability). [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other

Antiphon, Speeches

I am not surprised that the defendant, who has committed so outrageous a crime, should speak as he has acted; just as I pardon you, who are desirous of discovering the facts exactly, for tolerating such utterances from his lips as deserve to be greeted with derision. Thus, he admits that he gave the man the blows which caused his death; yet he not only denies that he himself is the dead man's murderer, but asserts, alive and well though he is, that we, who are seeking vengeance for the victim, are his own murderers. And I wish to show that the remainder of his defense is of a similar character. [2] To begin with, he said that even if the man did die as a result of the blows, he did not kill him: because it is the aggressor who is to blame for what happens: it is he whom the law condemns; and the aggressor was the dead man. First, let me tell you that young men are more likely to be the aggressors and make a drunken assault than old. The young are incited by their natural arrogance their full vigor, and the unaccustomed effects of wine to give free play to anger: whereas old men are sobered by their experience of drunken excesses, by the weakness (vulnerability) of age, and by their fear of the strength of the young.
(Antiph. 4.3.2)

Herodotus, The Histories

CXXXV. This was Gobryas' advice, and at nightfall Darius followed it. He left the men who were worn out, and those whose loss mattered least to him, there in the camp, and all the asses, too, tethered. [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity (vulnerability), he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army. [3] Giving this order to those who were left behind, and lighting campfires, Darius made all haste to reach the Ister. When the asses found themselves deserted by the multitude, they brayed the louder for it; and the Scythians heard them and assumed that the Persians were in the place. (Hdt. 4.135)

New Testament uses
The default sense is not physical weakness, though it can and does mean that.

Matt. 26.41 spirit is willing but flesh is weak/vulnerable (It has no defense)
Rom. 5.5 while we were still helpless (not weak in physical strength, but vulnerable)
1 Cor. 8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak/vulnerable, is defiled.
1 Cor. 8.10
1 Cor. 9.22 not physical weakness
Gal. 4.9 weak and beggarly elements of the world that enslaved us
1 Thess. 5. 14 comfort the discouraged, help the weak (those who are vulnerable)
James 5 sick become vulnerable
 

Webers.Home

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1Pet 3:7b . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel,

The Greek word translated "honor" basically means a value, i.e. money
paid.

The word for "weaker" basically means having no strength, i.e. fragile.

And the word for "vessel" basically indicates anything from a soup bowl to a
cardboard box; in other words: a container.

Peter isn't saying women are wimps; but that Christian husbands should
practice the same care and preservation with their wives as they would a
fragile antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, one of Claude Monet's
paintings. Nobody in their right mind handles a valuable painting the way a
farmer handles a 5-gallon bucket. Not that some women couldn't take that
kind of handling; it's just that its unbecoming for a Christian man to lack
sensitivity.

This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved
value either; but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ
commands Christian husbands to catalogue their wives up there with
Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female cop and/or a UFC mixed
martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a choice; no, it
isn't optional; it's required.

Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with
more care and preservation than they treat their wives can just forget about
associating with God on any meaningful level.

1Pet 3:7c . . as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers
be not hindered.
_
 

Karlon

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Eddiem, quite the explanatory subject. as far as real lifting, my wife is hard to beat. she runs a horse farm & all those girls are real tough. she has a very persistent will to get things done. once, we were leg wrestling & i barely beat her! 1 of the reasons we get along well is because we are both highly persistent & ambitious. i try to convey strong willpower in postings to encourage people. again, a fine message from you.
 
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Yeah, I agree - men are generally stronger than women. There's exceptions of course.

I just think we all have to be wary with how Satan wants to change up how men and women treat each other though. What I mean is that men are less helpful toward women with physical stuff and women themselves seem to insist on proving they don't need any man.


🐞
 

lrs68

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The Torah used a word that specifically means [helper] to describe Eve. And the words deeper meaning explains this is what Adam is capable of doing naturally and the things that Adam is not naturally capable of doing this is what Eve is capable of doing. So together [Adam and Eve] makes a unit now capable of doing everything but instead of separately it's together.

As a man I can think of several things I am not good at or incapable of doing that my wife is very good at doing. And I can think of the things she is not good at doing that I am really good at and together as ONE FLESH we are capable of doing all of those things.
 
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The Torah used a word that specifically means [helper] to describe Eve. And the words deeper meaning explains this is what Adam is capable of doing naturally and the things that Adam is not naturally capable of doing this is what Eve is capable of doing. So together [Adam and Eve] makes a unit now capable of doing everything but instead of separately it's together.

As a man I can think of several things I am not good at or incapable of doing that my wife is very good at doing. And I can think of the things she is not good at doing that I am really good at and together as ONE FLESH we are capable of doing all of those things.
Both-and is good both in relationships and in hermeneutics! :^)
 

Suze

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Some of my notes from many years ago on First Peter 3:7

First Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, when they see your pure and reverent conduct. Let your beauty not be external—the braiding of hair and wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes— but the inner person of the heart, the lasting beauty of a gentle and tranquil spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For in the same way the holy women who hoped in God long ago adorned themselves by being subject to their husbands, like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

Abstract
The admonishment to wives in this opening section of chapter three deals with a wife’s inner feminine disposition. In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength. More specifically, wives are the more vulnerable partner based on their inner femininity which in accordance with God’s creative purpose is one of the most admirable characteristics they (and women in general) possess. Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.

Rather than being described as “weaker,” wives are presented in their godly glory in the opening section of chapter three.
Although addressed to wives, some of these admonishings by Peter are of such a nature as to make them applicable to women in general.
This opening admonishing to wives appeals to their feminine qualities.
In the first part of chapter 3, Peter describes wives from the standpoint of their INNER beauty and spirit, but he does so by beginning with an external feature.

Their “adornment” (shows the transfer from external to internal) was in their submissive disposition. In fact, Peter seems to be using the external features of wives as a reflection of their inner selves.

Continuing Peter’s contrasts (from the external to the internal), one would expect the characteristic of the wives as being “weaker” to point toward something with their physical strength.

If there is any sense in which “weaker” (note this word is in parentheses) describes the wives’ physical strength (external), it does so only as a point of contrast to her inner disposition. Just as Peter uses external features or characteristics of the wives to go into her soul, so does the use of “weaker” point to their souls. But how is a soul “weaker”?

Weaker, as the preceding context indicates, points to a feminine quality. So, the question is further reduced to, “How is the wives’ femininity to be understood as ‘weaker’?

My suggestion is that the “weaker” sense Peter has in mind can better be understood as “more vulnerable.”

The relation between weaker and vulnerable seems too obvious to point out, but perhaps a few extra-biblical usages of this term will shed more light on what Peter was saying.

The weaker vessel/partner

weaker
vessel

II. to s. = the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in 2 Ep.Cor.4.7, echomen de ton thêsauron touton en ostrakinois skeuesin, cf. 1 Ep.Thess.4.4, 1 Ep.Pet. 3.7.

The vessel refers to the physical body, as made from the earth, but its function is to house and express the soul.
partner: where does this come from?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

This brief article attempts to make yet another contribution to our understanding of Peter’s obscure reference to wives as “weaker” partners. Remarkably, most seem to take Peter here to be referring to the fact that husbands can lift bigger rocks than wives. Most commentaries you check will identify this weaker state as related primarily to her physical body. But one wonders why husbands are to show honor to their wives based on the fact that they are physically stronger.

As Covey would have us do, I’d like to begin with the end in mind. What I will seek to demonstrate is the comparative of ASQENIA should be translated “more vulnerable.” And this vulnerability is related to the female’s femininity. One of the most attractive aspects of the female is here femininity. And the sense in which she is more vulnerable is those feminine qualities that the male finds alluring, and because of this vulnerability, the man seeks to complement her by his protection of her. This vulnerability, like that of an innocent child, is not a flaw, but an admirable quality.

Actually, Peter indicates here that due to their being “weaker,” husbands should hold their wives in honor. A brief look at some of the earlier, extra-biblical uses of the Greek word asqenhV may shed light on this somewhat elusive term Peter uses.

The resultant state of being “weak” is very often that of being made “vulnerable.” I think there is a natural affinity between being weak and vulnerable in the physical sense, at least within society.

They are the weaker of society. (neutral)

A defeated city is thereby made weaker. (become vulnerable to further attacks)

A child is said to be weaker. (more vulnerable)

When used of physical weakness, even then, the implication is that due to their physical weakness, they now become vulnerable.

Ancient

Xenophon, Cyropaedia

[30] And by making his own self-control an example, he disposed all to practice that virtue more diligently. For when the weaker (more vulnerable) members of society see that one who is in a position where he may indulge himself to excess is still under self-control, they naturally strive all the more not to be found guilty of any excessive indulgence.

(X.Cyr.8.1.30)

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (1.141.2,3)

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens (their vulnerability). [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other

Antiphon, Speeches

I am not surprised that the defendant, who has committed so outrageous a crime, should speak as he has acted; just as I pardon you, who are desirous of discovering the facts exactly, for tolerating such utterances from his lips as deserve to be greeted with derision. Thus, he admits that he gave the man the blows which caused his death; yet he not only denies that he himself is the dead man's murderer, but asserts, alive and well though he is, that we, who are seeking vengeance for the victim, are his own murderers. And I wish to show that the remainder of his defense is of a similar character. [2] To begin with, he said that even if the man did die as a result of the blows, he did not kill him: because it is the aggressor who is to blame for what happens: it is he whom the law condemns; and the aggressor was the dead man. First, let me tell you that young men are more likely to be the aggressors and make a drunken assault than old. The young are incited by their natural arrogance their full vigor, and the unaccustomed effects of wine to give free play to anger: whereas old men are sobered by their experience of drunken excesses, by the weakness (vulnerability) of age, and by their fear of the strength of the young.
(Antiph. 4.3.2)

Herodotus, The Histories

CXXXV. This was Gobryas' advice, and at nightfall Darius followed it. He left the men who were worn out, and those whose loss mattered least to him, there in the camp, and all the asses, too, tethered. [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity (vulnerability), he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army. [3] Giving this order to those who were left behind, and lighting campfires, Darius made all haste to reach the Ister. When the asses found themselves deserted by the multitude, they brayed the louder for it; and the Scythians heard them and assumed that the Persians were in the place. (Hdt. 4.135)

New Testament uses
The default sense is not physical weakness, though it can and does mean that.

Matt. 26.41 spirit is willing but flesh is weak/vulnerable (It has no defense)
Rom. 5.5 while we were still helpless (not weak in physical strength, but vulnerable)
1 Cor. 8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak/vulnerable, is defiled.
1 Cor. 8.10
1 Cor. 9.22 not physical weakness
Gal. 4.9 weak and beggarly elements of the world that enslaved us
1 Thess. 5. 14 comfort the discouraged, help the weak (those who are vulnerable)
James 5 sick become vulnerable
Have u noticed that no women have replied to this post ?
 
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I replied just to say, I hope he's not married.

There's no reasoning with corrupt thoughts like the OP who seems to make God in his image.

Meanwhile,we are all one in Christ. We all have our strengths that are there to support one another.
 
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My wife is an equal, as I am the same to her
God made Eve from Adam's rib seems equal to me
And yet, God did not call Eve, Eve, Adam did that (Genesis 5)
However, we are not originally unequally yoked, just after the fall to know good and evil, mad men and women decide. I decided to trust my Father, Daddy, PaPa, anyone else? If do also, then you will not treat anyone unfairly including your own wife.
Our, my thinking is
Tasking all thoughts captivated, to the obedience of Christ
God has no respect of persons, yet man flesh does
Thanks, as Daddy leads not me, the same as Jesus would say to those religious leaders and Pharisees then, that got him killed. As, Father saw would be their thoughts in their wanting to be in Charge as if are God
Then, these religious leaders and pharisees were made an open spectacle, they saw him Son Jesus risen in Col 2
We are no longer under Law, not even man's Law. Yet we in trust to God I obey earthly Laws
Yet not King Nebuchadnezzar's Law as got set up against some first chosen. Then the King threw them into a furnace, and then saw them live through it, when he asked, hey didn't we throw three into the fire? I see a fourth one in there and they are not burnt
Amazing Grace, I tell you "What is right is right" And all in themselves know this truth in each of us all. Does not matter to me at least, how one dices, cubes, adds or subtracts anything
Thanks
God is good all the time as good is God all the time
Holy Fire, they were in and Nebuchadnezzar saw it.
Believed for a while, then wanted to be in charge anyways, so he never committed to salvation as many do not and it is their choice only not mine or anyone else ever to me at least. Foe every person knows whether they in or not by God for them or not, all by free choice to choose given them, thank you
 
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The Torah used a word that specifically means [helper] to describe Eve. And the words deeper meaning explains this is what Adam is capable of doing naturally and the things that Adam is not naturally capable of doing this is what Eve is capable of doing. So together [Adam and Eve] makes a unit now capable of doing everything but instead of separately it's together.

As a man I can think of several things I am not good at or incapable of doing that my wife is very good at doing. And I can think of the things she is not good at doing that I am really good at and together as ONE FLESH we are capable of doing all of those things.
You know this brings to mind. My cousin while his wife was away had decided he was going to do the house work for a couple of days. He cleaned it the first day and couldn't believe it was messy the very next day! My mom say yep that's what happens. oh goodness I still remember the look on his face. Well he was VERY happy his wife came back. He just couldn't fathom doing what we do every day. Woman of course like progress in work but we are also okay with the same and that's where we differ from men.
 

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1Pet 3:7b . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel,

The Greek word translated "honor" basically means a value, i.e. money
paid.

The word for "weaker" basically means having no strength, i.e. fragile.

And the word for "vessel" basically indicates anything from a soup bowl to a
cardboard box; in other words: a container.

Peter isn't saying women are wimps; but that Christian husbands should
practice the same care and preservation with their wives as they would a
fragile antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, one of Claude Monet's
paintings. Nobody in their right mind handles a valuable painting the way a
farmer handles a 5-gallon bucket. Not that some women couldn't take that
kind of handling; it's just that its unbecoming for a Christian man to lack
sensitivity.

This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved
value either; but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ
commands Christian husbands to catalogue their wives up there with
Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female cop and/or a UFC mixed
martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a choice; no, it
isn't optional; it's required.

Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with
more care and preservation than they treat their wives can just forget about
associating with God on any meaningful level.

1Pet 3:7c . . as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers
be not hindered.
_
Thank you dear
 
Dec 21, 2024
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Have u noticed that no women have replied to this post ?
In our culture, women are very masculine if you ask me. What do you think of Sarah calling Abraham Lord?
 
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Have u noticed that no women have replied to this post ?
In our culture, women are very masculine if you ask me. What do you think of Sarah calling Abraham Lord?
Have you noticed that at least 6 women have replied to the post, and I make the seventh?

As a side note, I find observant men who do not call me "masculine" much easier to submit to. 😉