Another look at John 10.

Ooh, I'm sorry but that is a real stretch to make that passage mean 2 different groups of people. The second part of that verse is a CONTINUATION of the pronouncement of the first part of that verse.

And even if the second part was a separate group (they unequivocally aren't) it doesn't change the fact that Jesus won't lose a single one.

This is GREAT news! We should be rejoicing over the fact our Father will never toss any of His kids into Hell!

Discipline, sometimes painful on them? YES
Loss of Eternal Rewards? YES
Problems and afflictions in this life? YES

But Eternally lost? NO WAY!

Praise Jesus!!!

That's why I said to read it carefully. There really ARE TWO GROUPS that Jesus is talking about. I think you're just scared that you might be in the second group, but you can read and follow what the Bible says to make sure you're in the first group. It's not a big problem.

This is why all those warnings and promises are NOT in conflict with each other in the Bible. They actually harmonize as they should in Christ.


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Did u watch her as Doreen in Prisoner Cell Block H ?

Wait! Judas, a devil, was 'actually' a sheep??? Since when?

the purple bit is a lie - the father has given him his inheritance too, per V. 12

since the younger son had left with his inheritance, literally the father has given the older son everything that he has - per V. 31 - every goat, every field, every well and every tent.

instead of rebuking the younger son in v.11 the older son joined with him in v.12 making the father destitute and completely dependent on the older son - then rebukes his own father for spending resources.

this is completely unheard of in this culture, and the community would have been up in arms against both of them.


remember who the older son represents, and that the very same sought to kill both God ((Christ)) and everyone who repented and turned to Him ((the younger son))

both of them were wicked, but one of them turned back, even though instead of offering himself as a slave, he asked to be a paid worker - which is also wicked.

Praying God Blesses You.

But I think you’re falling victim to the NIV. (Nearly Inspired Version)

I’ve read it super duper carefully. And studied the Greek words.

Maybe the KJV or NKJV can make it a little clearer that Jesus is talking about the same people in the whole verse:



King James Bible
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

New King James Version
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Ah, okay! But that doesn't mean the older son should still be stoned. He still didn't ask for his inheritance. His father decided to give it to him.

I also looked up ancient Jewish customs and from what I read, the father can give the estates over to his sons early instead of after his death if he wishes. Moreover, the father DOES NOT become a slave to the older son and actually retains his role as the head of the household. Plus, I don't see the father acting like a slave to the older son in the parable itself, especially when the father just went ahead and ordered the servants of the household to dress up the younger son and prepare a feast for his homecoming. It's obvious the servants didn't think he was a slave or treated him as such either.

And I don't think the older son was angry at their father for spending the older son's wealth on the younger one. Look at what the older son says: ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

The older son NEVER talks about his own specific wealth, it was always referred to as general - "the" fattened calf - the older son never saying "his" fattened calf. And he talks about how the younger son squandered the father's property - the younger son's portion of the inheritance, but not his own.

So nowhere in the parable was the older son angry that the father spent the older son's wealth on the younger. It just doesn't say or even convey that. The anger I see from what the older son says, shows he feels unappreciated for his loyalty and hard work he's done for the father, because he says: "Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends."


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Even in the two translations you prefer and posted, Jesus is still talking about two groups! I'll show you:

King James Bible
1) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; 2) and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

New King James Version
1) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, 2) and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

If you read the entire chapter of John 6, at the beginning of the chapter, Jesus was really popular and had a lot of disciples because He was feeding them free food.

John 6:26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

But later in the chapter, when He starts talking about "eating His flesh and drinking His blood" a lot of them actually stopped following Him.

John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day...."

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.

68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

You see? This perfectly illustrates the two groups that come to Jesus, both of which He won't cast out. One group stays with Him to the end - the people the Father sends to Jesus, while the other group leaves!


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It also should be noted, that the second group is the much larger than the first group! It's true what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


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No I don’t see at all.
it’s not there. Both the “him” and “the one” is clearly referring to the ones the Father give Him.

I find it beyond astounding that anyone can read that any other way.

TBH, you’re only streeeeetttcching that to mean two groups because for some bizarre reason you want the possibility that God will throw some of His children into the Lake of Fire.

For the life of me I don’t understand why.

The entire chapter is a perfect example of the two different groups that comprised the whole.

When Jesus talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, it exposed everyone's heart and the two groups became distinct and separate, with one staying and one leaving.

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

It's so obvious! It may be a stretch to you because you refuse to acknowledge that some people become Christians for the wrong reasons and WILL fall away. It's in the Bible though so it's not me wanting the possibility - I'm just accepting what God is showing in the Bible. I have to wonder why YOU don't see it when it's clearly shown and stated in the Bible.


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The key to unlocking John 6:66. In verse 64, we read - But there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

Hence, offended by Jesus' words, turned and walked with Him no more. Not truly committed to Jesus. Those who continue in His word demonstrate they truly are disciples of Jesus. Those who do not continue demonstrate otherwise.