Encounters and Calling

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Aaron56

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My calling? Other than what the Lord desires of me in my life through his word?
Right. Like, what job do you take? Where do you live? Do you move? Who is your spouse? What do you name your children? Etc.
Do you make these decisions based on reason alone?

Also, what do you think it means to be led "by the Spirit"? as in...

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

and when it is written of Paul:

"When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ."

Did Paul first find an Old Testament (the only scripture available that time) antecedent before testifying to the Jews? Did he just wing it and hope God would approve? How did Paul know it was the right time to testify of anything? Smartwatch reminder?
 

John146

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No, God's word is not incomplete. However, the Bible does tell us of men and women in the Bible that encountered God in a deep way - I believe we can experience Him today like that and that He speaks to each one of us collectively and individually.
I encounter God in a deep way every time I read his word.
 

John146

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Right. Like, what job do you take? Where do you live? Do you move? Who is your spouse? What do you name your children? Etc.
Do you make these decisions based on reason alone?
Wherever I live, I try to live out his word. Whatever job I have, I try to live out his word. etc.
 
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I encounter God in a deep way every time I read his word.
And there is nothing wrong with that at all. We absolutely encounter God in His word, but when you read the word look to see how the men and women of God encountered Him. I would challenge you to ask the Lord to encounter you in a similar way.
 

Blain

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While I really do appreciate your zealousness for the presence and power of God, we should ALWAYS test an encounter that we have. Although I am Charismatic, I tend to call myself a reserved Charismatic. I do think that there is a danger that we have built up in the church, where we allow our experiences to either build theology or steer the direction of our lives. We must turn and search the scriptures, and God must validate it to show us it is truly Him - and He is very faithful to do so.
True we should test them we are commanded to do so after all but often times discernment comes into play and you are able to discern who they are but for someone who is new to faith or doesn't have the gift of discernemnt they need to test every encounter and even if you have discernment still test the spirits
 
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True we should test them we are commanded to do so after all but often times discernment comes into play and you are able to discern who they are but for someone who is new to faith or doesn't have the gift of discernemnt they need to test every encounter and even if you have discernment still test the spirits
If we are doing the Gospel right, then when a believer that is new has an encounter they should have a pastor or mentor that they can go to and tell the encounter too. Someone who can help them rightly divide the word of truth - that way the enemy can't grow something that isn't from the Lord. Now, I am speaking on baby Christians of course. But we have to be cautious, and we have to take care of those especially those new to the faith.
 
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And there is nothing wrong with that at all. We absolutely encounter God in His word, but when you read the word look to see how the men and women of God encountered Him. I would challenge you to ask the Lord to encounter you in a similar way.
We are to walk by faith. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

Blain

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We are to walk by faith. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
but have you never wanted to encounter God? I have had his presence fill my entire room up like a thick fog have met Jesus many times have had him speak out loud to me before each encounter showed me a greater level of him I could not have learned just from his word.

you say faith comes by hearing and this is true but it seems to me like you don't desire to encounter him and might even consider such encounters to be not needed but I tell you there is so much more to him than just what you find in his word
 
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but have you never wanted to encounter God? I have had his presence fill my entire room up like a thick fog have met Jesus many times have had him speak out loud to me before each encounter showed me a greater level of him I could not have learned just from his word.

you say faith comes by hearing and this is true but it seems to me like you don't desire to encounter him and might even consider such encounters to be not needed but I tell you there is so much more to him than just what you find in his word
I walk by faith not by sight. My faith in God's word and what it states is all the truth I need to live for him. My bible is not incomplete.
 
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I walk by faith not by sight. My faith in God's word and what it states is all the truth I need to live for him. My bible is not incomplete.

It's ironic though - you and people with the gifts of the Holy Spirit BOTH have faith in the same God's word but having issues about whether perfection has arrived (answer: it hasn't until Jesus returns). :giggle:

I do understand your caution though. I agree with you that it shouldn't be about seeking spectacular shows of supernatural occurrences, because that's not what God is about. But God would want miracles to happen if it actually helps people out somehow or edifies His church or individual Christians.

I personally stay away from anything that is not mentioned in the Bible such as being "slain in the Spirit" or being "drunk in the Spirit" or any of the other weird stuff NOT in the Bible.

But speaking in tongues, knowledge and prophecy are. And they really are useful and powerful to build up, protect, and/or help the church and individuals. Oftentimes in regard to speaking in tongues, we don't know what we're praying for until it comes to pass and being quickened in our spirit that this is what the Holy Spirit wanted us to pray for. It's that way because sometimes if God tells our brain to pray for something, He knows we'll think it's impossible - so it's better for Him that we pray it in the spirit.
 

Aaron56

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Is not God's word given by inspiration of God through the Spirit?
Not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about saying reading is the same as hearing.

The full passage is

How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Hearing is connected to those who are sent. People.
One of the reasons the church is fractured is because people think it is preferable to build faith independent of others.
 
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Not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about saying reading is the same as hearing.

The full passage is

How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Hearing is connected to those who are sent. People.
One of the reasons the church is fractured is because people think it is preferable to build faith independent of others.
Yes, but the word as well...

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. (Pointing to the OT writings)
 
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Not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about saying reading is the same as hearing.

The full passage is

How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Hearing is connected to those who are sent. People.
One of the reasons the church is fractured is because people think it is preferable to build faith independent of others.
Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
 

Aaron56

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Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Are you quoting verses you looked up with "hearing" and "saying" in them?

In the original Romans passage (which I fully quoted) the one who is preaching is clearly sent by God. This is a person.

So, in that case, "hearing" means "to perceive by the ear what is announced in one's presence"

Your passages reference another meaning of "hearing": "to comprehend, to understand"

It's the same word, or word derivative, but the meaning is different. This is common throughout scripture. It doesn't take a lot of wisdom to understand this but not understanding this can create bad doctrine.