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A Freeman: Where did Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, EVER claim to be the Everlasting Father and Almighty God?

John 14
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Doesnt this satisfy the Lord being the Father?
No.

Father is IN everyone who is striving to obey Him and do His Will. So if any of us are actually doing Father's Work (His Will), then it should be self-evident that it is Father doing that good in us and through us, just as Christ-Jesus explained to Philip.

John 14:21-24
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 7:16-17
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

John 17:20-23
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
 

Aaron56

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“Christian “ is simply a name to call Jesus disciples . They first began to call them Christian’s at Antioch.

It began as a simpler way to speak of Jesus followers who were spreading the gospel and doing amazing things

“and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


when someone says “ I’m Christian “ it simply means I’m a disciple of Jesus who is the Christ , or a follower of Jesus the lord
Pilgrim.. you should know me by now. Of course I know the history. I don't agree that the Lord calls us Christian or ever refers to us in that way. The Roman church did, but it was their tradition.

My point, though, is found in your post: "Christian" was what those in Antioch called the disciples. Did you ever wonder why we adopted a name Roman pagans and polytheists put on us? Today, it's a word that lacks distinction or worse. Perhaps it took 2000 years for us to see it?
 
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wrong.... Jesus did NOT say that. Not in the context you are trying to apply...
That is exactly what Jesus said. Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by men.

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the HYPOCRITES [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches (synagogues, mosques, temples, etc) and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in PRIVATE; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the HEATHEN [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

It could not be made any clearer.

The ONLY Temple that God ever sanctioned to be built on this planet was Solomon's Temple, and that was to teach us that all such places invariably become a den of thieves. That's why God had it destroyed not once but twice (c. 588 BC by the Babylonians, and roughly 650 years later in 70 A.D. by the Romans, who are the direct descendants of the Babylonians).

That should hopefully explain why God does NOT dwell in such places. And neither should we.

Acts 7:47-51 (see also Acts 17:24)
7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
7:48 Howbeit the Most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?
7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.

What's being shared isn't meant to offend anyone, including those who may still be going to church. It is simply to share the truth about what Jesus has actually said about it, which is something that you probably won't hear from any religious leader, whose livelihood and paying customers depend upon their business continuing to thrive.

Organized religion is a very lucrative business. For example, the Roman Catholic church is the largest business empire on the planet, owning more real estate, stocks and bonds, precious metals and artifacts, etc. than any of its competitors. Jesus said it's impossible to serve both God and mammon/materialism (Matt. 6:24). How obvious does it need to be that these people don't work for God when they hoard enough wealth to feed every starving family on the planet for decades?

A church, synagogue, mosque, temple, etc. is simply a store-front. The sales staff, usually dressed in silly outfits, are known as priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. The business they're in is selling the ILLUSION of salvation. Their paying customers/victims are their parishioners.

Jesus warned everyone about the religious and political leaders 2000 years ago, calling them "the blind leading the blind" and telling us that they "compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves" (see: Matt. 23:13-16).

After thousands of years of warnings, how can so many (Matt. 7:13-14), still be so easily duped into placing their trust in people that do the exact opposite of what Christ actually teaches?

IT WAS CHURCH AND STATE WHICH CONSPIRED TO FALSELY ACCUSE AND MURDER JESUS 2000 YEARS AGO.

What's changed? How many in the past 2000 years have actually awakened spiritually, and taken any notice of Christ's TRUE Teachings?

The Sleeper MUST awaken (Dan. 12:1-2; Eph. 5:14)!
 

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So then the Father and Son are not ONE?
“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-9‬ ‭

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Pilgrim.. you should know me by now. Of course I know the history. I don't agree that the Lord calls us Christian or ever refers to us in that way. The Roman church did, but it was their tradition.

My point, though, is found in your post: "Christian" was what those in Antioch called the disciples. Did you ever wonder why we adopted a name Roman pagans and polytheists put on us? Today, it's a word that lacks distinction or worse. Perhaps it took 2000 years for us to see it?
It’s just an easier way to identify as a follower or disciple of Christ …
 

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That is exactly what Jesus said. Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by men.
That is true, if that is your only reason for going to church.
How did that answer the question that was asked of you, then?

"Do you belong to the church of Kingdom Hall/ Jehovah's Witness?"
 

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It’s just an easier way to identify as a follower or disciple of Christ …
Is it though?

A lot of churches claim to be a "Christian" church but the truth is far from them.
 
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That is true, if that is your only reason for going to church.
Christ didn't offer an caveats (excuses made by the ego/"self" to try to justify itself).

How did that answer the question that was asked of you, then?
"Do you belong to the church of Kingdom Hall/ Jehovah's Witness?"
https://christianchat.com/threads/m...t-day-your-lord-is-coming.218780/post-5486771

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/destruction-of-all-organized-religion/
 

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Is it though?

A lot of churches claim to be a "Christian" church but the truth is far from them.
Yea I didn’t say everyone who claims to be a Christian is one but it would t matter what they call themselves that’s gonna be true some people aren’t genuine

brother our belief is that Jesus is the Christ , the son of God

that Christ died for our sins and was raised up again ect

The term “Christian “ isn’t going to define the person it’s just an easy way for one to say “ I believe n Jesus the Christ I’m a disciple of Jesus , I follow Christ ect
“ I’m Christian “

whether some Christian churches are legit doesn’t change the meaning of the term . One could say “ I’m a disciple of Jesus Christ “ or one could say “ I’m a Christian “

either way we’ve been baptized into his name and identify that he is the promised messiah ( Christ ) the savior and lord of all

i don’t think it matters tbough or anything what label we use it matters what we believe and then how we live according to that

I’m not saying your wrong for not ide tidying as Christian bro 😎 just don’t see a rabbit hole in the term Christian I think it’s a basic way to say we believe in and follow after Jesus just my opinion though nothing important
 

hornetguy

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Christ didn't offer an caveats (excuses made by the ego/"self" to try to justify itself).
What in the world are you talking about? Could you perhaps BE more vague? (channeling Chandler Bing)
 

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Aaron56

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Yea I didn’t say everyone who claims to be a Christian is one but it would t matter what they call themselves that’s gonna be true some people aren’t genuine

brother our belief is that Jesus is the Christ , the son of God

that Christ died for our sins and was raised up again ect

The term “Christian “ isn’t going to define the person it’s just an easy way for one to say “ I believe n Jesus the Christ I’m a disciple of Jesus , I follow Christ ect
“ I’m Christian “

whether some Christian churches are legit doesn’t change the meaning of the term . One could say “ I’m a disciple of Jesus Christ “ or one could say “ I’m a Christian “

either way we’ve been baptized into his name and identify that he is the promised messiah ( Christ ) the savior and lord of all

i don’t think it matters tbough or anything what label we use it matters what we believe and then how we live according to that

I’m not saying your wrong for not ide tidying as Christian bro 😎 just don’t see a rabbit hole in the term Christian I think it’s a basic way to say we believe in and follow after Jesus just my opinion though nothing important
Exactly, it’s a word that has no meaning today. It‘s of no consequence yet we are called to be a distinct people.
 

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Your comments on this verse

Why wouldn't we know??
if we all knew when Jesus will arrive, millions of people would be living every day as if it were their last day & that includes a myriad number of sins.
 

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IMO when the true understanding of 70 weeks is understood, and the Lord unseals what was spoken in Daniel's chapter 12, I believe we will know
 
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The link you provided that site attributes these words to you. Is this correct?

"Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The “I AM” our God [is] one “I AM”:
Neither the word “trinity” nor the words “triune god” appear ANYWHERE in the Old and New Covenants/Testaments and yet “trinitarians” would have us believe that this is the most all-important core concept in understanding God. Over a billion “Christians” believe that their 3-in-1 god is neatly divided (please see Matt. 12:25) into 3 separate but equal parts: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And all of this is based on the false premise that Jesus was God and that the Holy Spirit is a third, separate character in this trio. The Holy Spirit is actually our hotline to the Almighty.
Jesus was the human son, born of the virgin Mary. Jesus (the human) was incarnated by God’s Eldest/Firstborn Son, Christ (the Spirit-Being) making the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ. The name Jesus is actually a title which means “Savior” and Christ is likewise a title which means “The Anointed One”. God is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and so are ALL of His Children, including His Firstborn Son (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1, Col. 1:14-15).
Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?
Jesus referred to Himself as the “Son of Man” no less than 80 times throughout the Gospels. He NEVER claimed to be God, and Christ (the Spirit-Being), speaking through the mouth of Jesus (the human), made it a point to let everyone know that."

https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/the-top-10-myths-that-dominate-christianity/