Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

Where did Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, EVER claim to be the Everlasting Father and Almighty God?

Answer: NOWHERE (including John 8:58 KJV, where Christ simply confirmed He is an immortal Being, just as ALL of the angels/sons of God are).

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I*.

*"Greater than" does NOT mean "equal to"

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and [to] MY GOD, and your God.

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Words of Isaiah prophet is no longer valid??

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Of course it's valid. Its simple meaning though appears to have been misunderstood by most (including you).

What was Isaiah? A PROPHET.

What do God's Prophets do? THEY PROPHESY.

Please note well the passage above from Isaiah 9:6 does NOT say that Jesus is all of those things. It very plainly prophesies that Jesus would be CALLED all of these things, exactly as has happened.

It should be self-evident that the Everlasting Father could NEVER be "born", i.e. brought into existence, just as it should be obvious that the Father, King Ruler of the Universe which art in heaven, is not the "Prince"; Christ is.

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Old Testament---------------------------Age and Ministry of the Father-------------------about 4000 years

Yeshua/Jesus------------------------------Age and Ministry of the Son-----------------------3 years

Wonderful Counselor-----------------Age and Ministry of Holy Spirit--------------------Present Age

And who made up this unscriptural gibberish?

According to Scripture, The Everlasting Father IS God, Who has no beginning nor any end (Psalm 90:2 KJV)

According to Daniel 9:27 KJV, Christ's Mission in the body of Jesus was 7 YEARS, NOT 3.

And the Holy Spirit has been with us the entire 6000 years we have been here, from the beginning, despite our arrogant, stiff-necked resistance to its Counsel (Acts 7:51 KJV).

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John 10:30

I and the Father are one.”

Could you explain who the " I " is that is one with the Father??

Daniel 9:27 is speaking of the antichrist who makes a covenant with many

Just posting this here again. I think some missed it.

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

Notice He said not man > not the angels > not the Son... only the Father.

Then, after all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, He revealed this to John:

This is in Revelation: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servant things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John..."

So, here the order is reversed: Father > to the Son > to the angels > to man (John)

Hebrews 1 tells us of the exchange of authority:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."

Here, "His Son" is actually just "Son". So it would read "[God] has in these last days spoken to us by Son". The implications are manifold, but one thing for certain is that there is no other way to commune with God except by Son. This is consistent with:

"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

Furthermore, since Christ was given "all authority in heaven and on earth" there is none reserved for God the Father. The Father didn't keep anything back or hedge His generosity. The entire rule of the estate of God was given to Christ, the Son of God.

So, this includes the Day of His return. WE, who are in Him, do not currently know the Day but we will. When the SON decides to reveal these things to His Body we will know the Day. We will not know the Day by arithmetic, or by studying Hebrew or the Old Testament, etc. We will know when He decides to reveal it to us. And it won't be so that Mel Gibson can make a movie about it. He will release it to those who are watching over others in the spirit so that they might prepare His flock for the coming Day.

Yes. Father and His Christ (The One Whom Father anointed to be our King, Teacher and High-Priest/Good Shepherd) are OF ONE MIND (i.e. like minded), just as we can be like minded (at one) with Both Father and Christ, IF we keep The Commandments and DO Father's Will.

John 17:17-25
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I know Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.

As above please. Of ONE mind, determined to do Father's Will here on Earth, as it is done in heaven. It very clearly does NOT mean that two different individuals are allegedly the same individual, as the context clearly illustrates.

John 10:25-38
10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
10:28 And I give unto them Eternal Life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
10:30 I and [my] Father are at one.
10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods (Ps. 82:6)?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son OF God?
10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in Him (see: John 17:17-25, already cited above).


No, it isn't. It is quite clearly speaking about The Messiah (before, during and after Daniel 9:27), and the Covenant with many is the New Covenant that The Messiah/Christ brought.

Excerpt below from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/daniels-70-weeks-correctly-explained-at-last/

Daniel 9:27:

• he = THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1, Heb. 1:9, Rev. 12:7-11)
• The Covenant = the NEW COVENANT (Jer. 31:31-33, Heb. 8:8-10, Heb. 9:14-15)
• many = the people Israel (Matt. 26:28, Heb. 9:28)
• one “week” = 7 YEARS (Num. 14:34, Ezek. 4:6)
• the midst of the week = WEDNESDAY, 21 April 34 A.D., the day Jesus was crucified (Lev. 23:5-7, Matt. 12:39-40, Luke 23:50-56, 24:1-3, John 19:31)
• the sacrifice = the Lamb of God (John 1:29)
• the oblation = the gift from God of His Son (John 3:16)
• abominations = the serving of other gods (e.g. church, state and “self”), as happens in every corporate fictional church, synagogue, mosque, temple, government facility and courtroom, etc. on Earth (Deut. 12:28-32, Rev. 2:20-23)
• make [it] desolate = that the Jews and Jerusalem shall bear no spiritual fruit and be spiritually desolate (Matt. 21:19, 23:37-24:2, 24:15)
• poured upon the desolate = when the “dead” shall be judged and consumed by The Fire (Rev. 20:12-15).

Remember the calendar has changed since the days of the feasts

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please explain Pilgrim

“We will know when He decides to reveal it to us. “

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:37-39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:42-44‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.

“Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’ ””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:32-33, 35-37‬ ‭

“Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:

“Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-13‬ ‭NIV‬‬

We know the thief will come someday but we dont know when which night or what hour . Our only option is to get ready and remain ready coupd be tomorrow or yet could be ten thousand years

I think this part is importwnt as to why nonone really knows


“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.””……..
…..The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Who can measure his patience towards mankind’s rebellion and put a time stamp on it ? Also things like this sort of throw a wrench into mathematical calculations of data and times regarding things

“And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:22‬ ‭

now wewould need to calculate how much he’s going to shorten any calculation we’ve made and how would we do that…. When you really look carefully the design of the k bc t Marion we’ve been given simply doesn’t I form us of any time except that it’s imminent even the.n It was inminent


“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

about that was nineteen hundred years ago to God however it may have been a day or two he’s simply the only one who knows and won’t change Christs words regarding anything Jesus is now glorofied with the father so I’m sure at this point he knows but no man ever will until it happens

Like in Noah’s time the world has no clue it was coming but Noah listened to God tell him to get prepared because it was coming soon

Rome changed the calendar .

google “ Julian calendar “

God's timing has not changed!

Yea I hadn’t said it did . My point is humans operate by the calendar regarding times and seasons . Using todays calendar to try to calculate a time when it was different doesn’t calculate properly is my only point . Not that Gods time changed …

. Gods time for Jesus return is based on this

“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

…..But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 8-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

that phrase “ like a thief “ is from Jesus teachings about his return and how a thief comes when you don’t expect him but to be ready because he’s definately coming we just don’t know when Paul uses it also to describe Jesus coming it’s coming from this

““Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:42-44‬ ‭NIV‬‬

In the doctrine we aren’t supposed to know because we’re meant to always be ready as if it could be tomorrow it’s the design of it we couldn’t measure how far Gods patience is going to go but when his patience runs out jesus will return . Our place is to follow him every day as if we believe he’s coming soon

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Could you explain why you claim to be a ---not christian under your Avatar??

Your god is too small.

If being omniscient omnipresent and omnipotent is too small for you, then how will you ever recognize Father (God) for Who and What He really is?

Thanks for the question.

The tradition was to call followers of philosophers after the name of their philosopher master. So the Roman people in Antioch just followed tradition when they labeled the believers as “Christians”.

Peter’s use of it was specific to persecution. He was saying “Even when they persecute you as a “Christian” don’t lose heart: they are associating you with Him.” This is my paraphrase that captures the meaning of his encouragement to believers who would suffer.

The issue with “Christian” is many-fold. It’s not just that it’s derived from a Roman tradition, also, it’s that Christ is more than a philosopher or teacher. He came not to show us different rules for life, but He actually made a way, by His own sacrifice, into the presence of the Living God. He changes our being and nature, not just our lifestyle. More so, the power He wields is not of the mind but of the Spirit. He is God not just a philosopher.

My God is big enough. It's your's that's too small.

You know, come to think of it, I don't really know what you believe about God.

Tell us about Him - what is He to you? Please use scripture to back up what you believe who He is and what He does. How do you see God being bigger than what @AFreeman thinks? I'm really curious now....


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