GOD WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED

Well what did He say? For God so loved the world. Seems man is all over this world and He gave His only son that who so ever believes will not die but have ever lasting life. Christ didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Aagin the "world" lets keep going

1st Tim "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. " All is all and that is all all means.

Lets just look at one of many in the OT "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” says the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn [away] from his [malevolent] acts and live? "

Seems to me He really loves this world that He left heaven became His creation....who since man was made who loves you like Him..who would in your worst moments still take all that on Himself and die for you.

Re "God may get no pleasure in the destruction of those refusing His Son, but where does it say He loves the lost?":
You just answered your own question. (no pleasure = love)

Yes, every good gift is from God, but what God intends for good can be perverted or used for evil, including faith.
Make no mistake: your "disbelief"/opinion involves your intellect/logic.

Yes God would have all to be saved.. But in the end not everyone will be saved because God must be Just in all His doings and thus He must be justified in saving all whom He ends up saving..

To use an analogy.. It's like a young man who loves a young woman and wants to marry her and have a life long relationship with her, but she has absolutely no desire or feelings for him.. No matter how much He loves her, no matter how much he desires her, no matter how much he does for her, no relationship is going to happen because she just does not want one with him.. It takes two to tango..

The LORD is perfect in Love and loves us all but we must reciprocate that love to have an eternal relationship with God. God has bent over backwards and suffered death on the cross to make a Way for all to be saved but the tragic reality is that millions of people have rejected the gift of salvation and so no matter how much The LORD desires for them to be saved they will all end up in the eternal lake of fire..

His Holy Spirit can lead them to living waters but in the end they must drink it..

The grace of God that has brought salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:11) Not to just a select few, but to ALL MEN. The scriptures teach that God desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim. 2:4). He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezk. 18:32), and He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that EVERYONE would repent. (2 Peter 3:9). John 3:16 says that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish…; that means ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes in Him—not just a select few, but ALL. The gospel is for ALL people. He wants ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent! (Acts 17:30). And so He offers the invitation to “COME”…Come to me ALL YOU who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ( Rev. 22:17; Matthew 11:28) And if ANYONE thirsts, let him come to me and drink the water of life. (John 7). Anyone may “come” to Christ. He has assured us that WHOEVER calls on God will be saved (Roman’s 10:13), because He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2). AMEN!

Amen! It is unfortunate that apparently there are a few on CC who did not memorize John 3:16 as a child like the rest of us,
so they are confused by some verses that can be understood to contradict the NT revelation of God's omnilove.
I wonder if their disagreement regarding this doctrine also stems from having earthly fathers who failed to manifest
the love of the heavenly Father, and so TULIP is more easily believed.

I did not memorise John 3:16 as a child, as although I was brought up to "go to church," it was not a bible-believing church, unfortunately. Since becoming a Christian it is one of the Scripture verses I have memorised, but I don't believe it teaches God's omnilove. The word translated "so" in that verse apparently means "thus", "in this way." The verse also says that it is "whoever believes in Him" who does not perish but has everlasting life.

So what part of the verse teaches that it applies to you but not to everyone else?

Well what did He say? For God so loved the world. Seems man is all over this world and He gave His only son that who so ever believes will not die but have ever lasting life. Christ didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Aagin the "world" lets keep going

1st Tim "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. " All is all and that is all all means.

Lets just look at one of many in the OT "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” says the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn [away] from his [malevolent] acts and live? "

Seems to me He really loves this world that He left heaven became His creation....who since man was made who loves you like Him..who would in your worst moments still take all that on Himself and die for you.

Gosh, I never said that it applies only to me. I said " The verse also says that it is "whoever believes in Him" who does not perish but has everlasting life. " (I also referred to not having memorised the verse in childhood, but that I have since becoming a Christian). I am sorry if you took my post as meaning that I believe John 3:16 applies only to me. I certainly don't believe that.

Very clear Scriptures leave no doubt: God want all to be saved.

But He is not a taskmaster who forces all to follow Him: in fact He makes Himself vulnerable to the mistakes and sins of man . . . and willingly suffers Himself to bring man back to Himself.

Vulnerability is strength, not weakness.
Dictatorship is weakness, not strength.

Well, how did you mean "I don't believe it teaches God's omnilove"?
Who is "whoever" IYO?

MFW is the view/interpretation of Scripture opposed by TULIP.

I loved Christ because He first loved me.

I have pondered why some choose atheism and proposed:

the “Propensity Principle” (PP). The PP points out that humanity’s existential need and desire for eternal life and ultimate justice (the duo of desirables or DOD) make it logical for truthseekers to have a propensity to hope and believe a God who provides the DOD exists, to determine the most credible revelation of God’s requirement for attaining heaven, and to cooperate with His revealed will. IOW, it seems logical–given the existential facts of death and imperfect justice–that an unbiased truthseeker would have a propensity to hope the Christian view is correct, because there is no better (credible and desirable) way of attaining the DOD than NT theism. This PP restates Pascal’s wager in terms of comparison shopping (with all belief systems) instead of gambling.

The PP employs linear logic (rather than circular reasoning) to propose faith in the NT God as the best belief that solves the maze of reality as follows:

1. Current scientific knowledge cannot explain how the universe came to exist by means of natural causes, thus it is possible that the cause of the universe is a supernatural Creator/God.

2. The most creative species is humanity, whose traits also include language, moral conscience and God consciousness (personality), so it is possible that these human traits reflect attributes of a God who created humanity.

3. Existential reality indicates that humans are mortal and life is painful, but when life is happy, one wishes it would continue indefinitely. Thus, it is rational to seek ways to become immortal in a heavenly existence (where there is love and justice for all forever, the DOD).

4. Comparing all possible ways of achieving the DOD, the best or most credible way/hope is the God who resurrected Christ Jesus.

5. When words from God are sought, the NT teachings of Jesus and Paul seem to be the most highly inspired when compared with other scriptures (including the OT), because its concept of one God as the just and all-loving Judge (rationale for morality) is spiritually highest or most advanced, and the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus is most credible.

6. Thus, it is appropriate or wise to believe in the NT God and to accept Jesus as God’s Messiah.

Atheists deny the validity of this argument, but in the absence of disproof, the decision to reject the biblical gospel of salvation from selfishness, spiritual death, and a miserable destiny is illogical or foolish. This is why all truthseekers should agree on NT theism.

As someone has said, heaven is like a vision of water in the desert: the scoffer will surely die where he/she is, while the believer will live if right. Again, however, this analogy should be viewed in terms of comparison shopping and logic rather than of blind faith and fear. True love for God is evoked by His love for humanity and is a reflection of His loving Holy Spirit (1JN 4:7-12); it cannot be coerced, although it can be imitated (2CR 11:14 calls Satan an “angel of light”). Heaven may not be a mirage!

As I said, it's not everybody. It's "whoever believes in Him."

I really appreciate the thought you’ve put into your Propensity Principle. It’s clear you’re wrestling with big questions about faith, reason, and why people choose what they believe. Your approach reminds me of how the Bible encourages us to seek truth with both our hearts and minds, like in Proverbs 3:5-6, where we’re told to trust God but also lean on understanding.

I like how you frame faith as a logical choice, comparing it to shopping for the best option. It’s a fresh way to look at belief, especially when you tie it to humanity’s deep longing for eternal life and justice. Those desires do feel universal, don’t they? Your point about the New Testament offering a unique hope through Jesus’ resurrection resonates with me—1 Corinthians 15:17-19 talks about how our faith hinges on that event, giving us a solid foundation to hope in.

I hear you on atheism seeming like a rejection of that hope, but I wonder if some folks just get stuck on the “disproof” part, feeling like they need more tangible evidence. Still, your argument that faith in the NT God aligns with both reason and our deepest needs is compelling. It’s like Romans 5:8 says: God’s love reaches out to us first, inviting us to respond.

The desert mirage analogy is powerful—faith can feel risky, but it’s a risk rooted in love and trust, not just fear. Thanks for sharing this. It’s got me thinking about how I explain my own faith to others. What inspired you to develop this principle?