The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

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Komentaja

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The preterist tends to laugh at ideas of a rebuilt temple, they know better, it all happened in AD70, the abomination of desolation, all of it........... or did it actually?

If you read the gospels you will find out that the abomination of desolation is connected to the worst tribulation period in the history of the world:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

This same fact is spelled out in Daniel 12:1, and just like in Daniel 12; in Matthew 24 what comes immediately after this tribulation that the abomination of desolation sets in motion is the return of Christ and the resurrection:


Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is where the preterist double standard comes in. They will read verse 34 which says THIS GENERATION shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled, and they keep telling us this all happened. When you press them on the issue, many will either admit ok Jesus didnt return and gather the elect or will continue in the false doctrine of preterism and claim that Jesus did return, but not bodily. It is sloppy at best, but thats two returns, the same doctrine for which they critique pre-tribbers of!

The preterist plight gets worse, when you look at Revelation 12:6 and the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness, which is clearly the same escape mentioned in the olivet discourse, this flight lasts 1260 days, the two witnesses prophecy 1260 days, the beast rules for 42 months. If the preterist believes all this took place in AD70, where is Jesus at? Why hasn't He returned yet? Oh you mean there would be a timegap between the 1260 days and His return? A timegap of over 2000 years now you say? Hold on, isn't that something preterists accuse premillennialists of all the time? That we are adding a gap to the 70 weeks of Daniel when no gap allegedly exists in the text?

Once I saw all these glaring faults in the preterist system I have since abandoned it in favour of a simple, yet biblical method of reading the book. Once you read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 of a man of sin sitting in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be god, you can believe there will be a man who will sit in a temple in Jerusalem doing that, you can know by comparing it to Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, Mark. You line all the verses together and they match perfectly.

In conclusion, if you read this far: Congratulations. I have too much free time ;) But I wanted to type this out, who knows, this convinced me to leave preterism, maybe someone else will be inclined to leave as well.
 

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The preterists have no explanation for what we see in Revelation, with half the world's population dying in just the first half, wiped out in a short amount of time, otherwise defined as 42 months of 30-day months. Their subjectively stretching it all out to try and make it conform to historic norms, that betrays the subjective nature of allegory. The allegorical interpretational model is simply irrational and lacks consistency with the Lord's ways.

Additionally, given that half the world's population being wiped out in the half that doesn't contain the worst of God's wrath upon the world, that defies reason yet again if it were a matter of long ages. Historic population data we do have also defies their take on eschatology. Nowhere in history do we see the wiping out of half the world's population. In other words, that dip in populational criteria is not at all seen in historic data. It's indefensible. Hank Hannagraaf (or however way his name is spelled), is therefore his being a "Bible Answer Man" for the ignorant who want to pass over into greater ignorance and denial of historic and biblical facts.

MM
 

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The preterists have no explanation for what we see in Revelation, with half the world's population dying in just the first half, wiped out in a short amount of time, otherwise defined as 42 months of 30-day months. Their subjectively stretching it all out to try and make it conform to historic norms, that betrays the subjective nature of allegory. The allegorical interpretational model is simply irrational and lacks consistency with the Lord's ways.

Additionally, given that half the world's population being wiped out in the half that doesn't contain the worst of God's wrath upon the world, that defies reason yet again if it were a matter of long ages. Historic population data we do have also defies their take on eschatology. Nowhere in history do we see the wiping out of half the world's population. In other words, that dip in populational criteria is not at all seen in historic data. It's indefensible. Hank Hannagraaf (or however way his name is spelled), is therefore his being a "Bible Answer Man" for the ignorant who want to pass over into greater ignorance and denial of historic and biblical facts.

MM
We agree here. I know you would agree with me that yes, the book of Revelation is full of symbols and its symbolic, but symbolic of what is the question. Praise the Lord, He has given us the symbols decoded within the book itself. Just like the dreams of Joseph, yeah they were symbolic, but the Bible tells us the interpretation of it, what they were symbolic of.

Hank is also an orthodox or catholic believer so his eschatology is very bad. There is a reason the preterists try to avoid talking about eschatology, because their view makes it so sloppy and hard to explain to other people who can pick up the Bible and go "Uhm, that is not what it says."

As you pointed out the example of the massive death toll, they would simply explain this away and say its not specific numbers and its not talking about the world, just 'earth' as in Jerusalem or something like that.
 

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The preterist tends to laugh at ideas of a rebuilt temple, they know better, it all happened in AD70, the abomination of desolation, all of it........... or did it actually?

If you read the gospels you will find out that the abomination of desolation is connected to the worst tribulation period in the history of the world:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

This same fact is spelled out in Daniel 12:1, and just like in Daniel 12; in Matthew 24 what comes immediately after this tribulation that the abomination of desolation sets in motion is the return of Christ and the resurrection:


Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is where the preterist double standard comes in. They will read verse 34 which says THIS GENERATION shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled, and they keep telling us this all happened. When you press them on the issue, many will either admit ok Jesus didnt return and gather the elect or will continue in the false doctrine of preterism and claim that Jesus did return, but not bodily. It is sloppy at best, but thats two returns, the same doctrine for which they critique pre-tribbers of!

The preterist plight gets worse, when you look at Revelation 12:6 and the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness, which is clearly the same escape mentioned in the olivet discourse, this flight lasts 1260 days, the two witnesses prophecy 1260 days, the beast rules for 42 months. If the preterist believes all this took place in AD70, where is Jesus at? Why hasn't He returned yet? Oh you mean there would be a timegap between the 1260 days and His return? A timegap of over 2000 years now you say? Hold on, isn't that something preterists accuse premillennialists of all the time? That we are adding a gap to the 70 weeks of Daniel when no gap allegedly exists in the text?

Once I saw all these glaring faults in the preterist system I have since abandoned it in favour of a simple, yet biblical method of reading the book. Once you read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 of a man of sin sitting in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be god, you can believe there will be a man who will sit in a temple in Jerusalem doing that, you can know by comparing it to Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, Mark. You line all the verses together and they match perfectly.

In conclusion, if you read this far: Congratulations. I have too much free time ;) But I wanted to type this out, who knows, this convinced me to leave preterism, maybe someone else will be inclined to leave as well.
Perhaps go back and reconsider/reevaluate what the Abomination of Desolation is?
 

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Perhaps go back and reconsider/reevaluate what the Abomination of Desolation is?
It is when the man of sin enters the temple of God and proclaims Himself to be God. Historically speaking, Antiochus is a type of the antichrist and he sacrificed a pig in the temple and erected a statue of Zeus. That is a picture of the future abomination of desolation which will occur.
 

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It is when the man of sin enters the temple of God and proclaims Himself to be God. Historically speaking, Antiochus is a type of the antichrist and he sacrificed a pig in the temple and erected a statue of Zeus. That is a picture of the future abomination of desolation which will occur.
That is not in line with accurate Preterism, there is a school of thought that adheres to that but they woudl be wrong.
 

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We agree here. I know you would agree with me that yes, the book of Revelation is full of symbols and its symbolic, but symbolic of what is the question. Praise the Lord, He has given us the symbols decoded within the book itself. Just like the dreams of Joseph, yeah they were symbolic, but the Bible tells us the interpretation of it, what they were symbolic of.
The crowd that gravitates toward allegory as the foundation of their interpretational model, I have grave problems with that.

You see, their habit of trying to shroud Revelation behind allegorical underpinnings, and therefore into such a depth of mystery, so as to then subjectively align the alleged allegory with what they choose to draw lines of parallel in other areas of scripture, that is highly questionable.

The only reason the ancients could not relate to the wording and language within Revelation is because the framework of world events and state of mind back then did not yet so nearly align with Revelation as we can see today. Therefore the practice of forcing into those ancient shadows what can be more literally seen by way of alignment with modern and historic events, what we can now see from our perspective today gives to us insights they simply could not imagine back then. They had no basis of comparison in order to see the more literal portrayals in Revelation, and so, to them, it all remained shrouded in mystery, thus their belief that it's all allegorical and symbolic rather than what can now be seen more clearly through the lenses of modern reality and literalism.

For example, nobody back then could imagine everyone on earth seeing events happening on the other side of the earth as it is occurring. That framework simply was beyond the scope of even their imaginations.

Hank is also an orthodox or catholic believer so his eschatology is very bad. There is a reason the preterists try to avoid talking about eschatology, because their view makes it so sloppy and hard to explain to other people who can pick up the Bible and go "Uhm, that is not what it says."
Those among them who do discuss eschatology point at historic events that simply don't match up with the biblical imagery that they so fantasize about.

As you pointed out the example of the massive death toll, they would simply explain this away and say its not specific numbers and its not talking about the world, just 'earth' as in Jerusalem or something like that.
Yes, which betrays their being so mathematically challenged, because any populational chart that would exhibit the sudden death of half the world's population, even across long ages of time, would betray such a phenomenon. In other words, such a death toll cannot be shrouded by spreading it across large expanses of time. Not all of us out here are so mathematically and statistically challenged as are so many Preterists who refuse to accept what goes against their chosen system of belief. The same goes for the many religions out there claimed to be merely just "denominations." That white-washing practice only betrays their lack of understanding for the fact that those who embrace any other of the many gospels out there cannot be saved by those other gospels, such as the Kingdom Gospel that ended with the fall of Israel. As an Israeli, I can attest to that.

MM
 

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That is not in line with accurate Preterism, there is a school of thought that adheres to that but they woudl be wrong.
What do you believe it is then? It has to be something that happens about 3,5 years prior to the Lord's return. Cannot be AD70 fulfillment, cause the Lord comes back immediately after the tribulation which is set in motion by the Abomination of Desolation
 

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What do you believe it is then? It has to be something that happens about 3,5 years prior to the Lord's return. Cannot be AD70 fulfillment, cause the Lord comes back immediately after the tribulation which is set in motion by the Abomination of Desolation
I will leave a link on your profile page. :)
 

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The preterist tends to laugh at ideas of a rebuilt temple, they know better, it all happened in AD70, the abomination of desolation, all of it........... or did it actually?
No, it did not - certainly, not all of it - I believe you are on to something... :) (y)

If you read the gospels you will find out that the abomination of desolation is connected to the worst tribulation period in the history of the world:
It is - but not in the way most people think... ;)

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

This same fact is spelled out in Daniel 12:1, and just like in Daniel 12; in Matthew 24 what comes immediately after this tribulation that the abomination of desolation sets in motion is the return of Christ and the resurrection:
I believe Daniel 12:1 to be referring to a different time than circa 70 A.D.

Let me ask [everyone] a question - when in human history will both "saved" and "lost" be raised together at the same time? (Daniel 12:2)

"Food for thought..."

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Does it say - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days - there shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven..." - or does it say - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days - shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"...???

Please notice the 'And then' at the beginning of verse 30 after the colon in verse 29. If you will study it very carefully, you should discover that there is a 3.5-year period of time represented in verse 29 - before Christ appears - we call it the Two Witnesses.

This is where the preterist double standard comes in. They will read verse 34 which says THIS GENERATION shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled, and they keep telling us this all happened. When you press them on the issue, many will either admit ok Jesus didnt return and gather the elect or will continue in the false doctrine of preterism and claim that Jesus did return, but not bodily. It is sloppy at best, but thats two returns, the same doctrine for which they critique pre-tribbers of!
If they pay really close attention to what is in the Greek, they should discover that what it is actually saying is - when all of these things begin to come to pass or be fulfilled.

The preterist plight gets worse, when you look at Revelation 12:6 and the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness, which is clearly the same escape mentioned in the olivet discourse, this flight lasts 1260 days, the two witnesses prophecy 1260 days, the beast rules for 42 months. If the preterist believes all this took place in AD70, where is Jesus at? Why hasn't He returned yet? Oh you mean there would be a timegap between the 1260 days and His return? A timegap of over 2000 years now you say? Hold on, isn't that something preterists accuse premillennialists of all the time? That we are adding a gap to the 70 weeks of Daniel when no gap allegedly exists in the text?
I agree with the 'flight' part - the other Revelation prophetic time frames are different/other spans of time.

I am glad that you are seeing all of this more clearly than before. :cool:

Once I saw all these glaring faults in the preterist system I have since abandoned it in favour of a simple, yet biblical method of reading the book. Once you read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 of a man of sin sitting in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be god, you can believe there will be a man who will sit in a temple in Jerusalem doing that, you can know by comparing it to Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, Mark. You line all the verses together and they match perfectly.
I do not believe that all of the verses mentioned actually match perfectly; however, I believe you are on the right track - keep studying... :geek:

(Try not to let yourself spend too much time at either end of the scale before you have had sufficient time to fully examine the 'middle' of the scale - neither Preterism nor Futurism has it fully correct - the truth is "in the middle of the scale" - not at either end of it.)

Perhaps go back and reconsider/reevaluate what the Abomination of Desolation is?
I believe it is very clearly defined/described/indicated in Daniel 11:31.

It is not any of the things people have come up with that they like to apply to the events of circa 70 A.D.

There was no occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation circa 70 A.D.

It is when the man of sin enters the temple of God and proclaims Himself to be God. Historically speaking, Antiochus is a type of the antichrist and he sacrificed a pig in the temple and erected a statue of Zeus. That is a picture of the future abomination of desolation which will occur.
No - Antiochus is not a type - he is the real deal - the actual fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel concerning the one-and-only bona fide Abomination of Desolation occurrence. (Daniel 11:31)

What do you believe it is then? It has to be something that happens about 3,5 years prior to the Lord's return. Cannot be AD70 fulfillment, cause the Lord comes back immediately after the tribulation which is set in motion by the Abomination of Desolation
No - it happened circa 167 B.C. - not circa 70 A.D. - nor at any time after that.

And - nothing is "set in motion by the Abomination of Desolation" except for the aftermath of it circa 167 B.C.

And - to repeat - it is not the Lord's return that occurs "immediately after the tribulation"; rather, it is the time of the Two Witnesses.
 

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No - Antiochus is not a type - he is the real deal - the actual fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel concerning the one-and-only bona fide Abomination of Desolation occurrence. (Daniel 11:31)


No - it happened circa 167 B.C. - not circa 70 A.D. - nor at any time after that.

And - nothing is "set in motion by the Abomination of Desolation" except for the aftermath of it circa 167 B.C.

And - to repeat - it is not the Lord's return that occurs "immediately after the tribulation"; rather, it is the time of the Two Witnesses.
Why would Jesus talk about the abomination of desolation as a future event if it was fulfilled before His birth? How could anyone in the future see the abomination of desolation take place?
 
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The following excerpt is from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christian-zionism-for-dummies/


A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.


When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:


“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”


God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19, John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).


Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.


However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.


That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6).


And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).

Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.


Acts 7:48
7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL

as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.

The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind


Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.


Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.


Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23 And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.


It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures. How could someone possibly think God wants us to build another physical temple with human hands when they have a 100% fail rate on this planet? God has already destroyed it twice. How many times does He need to do it until you “get it”? Every single one of them (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) has been built without His permission and then used to enrich a handful of greedy, evil so-called “religious” leaders (criminals really) at the expense of everyone else, teaching satanic materialism (“crime pays”) instead of Godliness and “self” sacrifice (Matt. 6:24, Luke 9:23).


Solomon’s Temple was supposed to be a reminder of OBEDIENCE to God only and SACRIFICE for the common good. Instead, it was turned into a money-making scam and then used as the business model to franchise them everywhere.


These priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., are “the blind leading the blind” exactly as Christ warned us (Matt. 15:13-14). If they were not blind they would be terrified to be priests. Do you really think people would be so anxious to build another FAKE temple to Satan, if they could see the truth that any attempt to build another temple WILL BE reduced to ashes, along with its supporters (see Jer. 23:1-5, Ezek. 34:1-10, Ezek. 34:23, Mal. 4, Matt. 6:1-8, Matt. 23)?


We need to purify our own temples through obedience to God (Deut. 30:15-20), discipline (the hallmark of Discipleship) and self-sacrifice (Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) to make them fit for spiritual habitation. Obedience and self-sacrifice are the pillars of God’s TRUE temple. Why do you think every body has a temple on either side of their head? So that God can dwell between them. How obvious does it have to be, before you “get it”?


1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.


1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.


Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
 

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The following excerpt is from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christian-zionism-for-dummies/


A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.


When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:


“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”


God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19, John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).


Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.


However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.


That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6).


And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).

Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.


Acts 7:48
7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.

The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind


Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.


Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.


Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23
And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.


It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures. How could someone possibly think God wants us to build another physical temple with human hands when they have a 100% fail rate on this planet? God has already destroyed it twice. How many times does He need to do it until you “get it”? Every single one of them (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) has been built without His permission and then used to enrich a handful of greedy, evil so-called “religious” leaders (criminals really) at the expense of everyone else, teaching satanic materialism (“crime pays”) instead of Godliness and “self” sacrifice (Matt. 6:24, Luke 9:23).


Solomon’s Temple was supposed to be a reminder of OBEDIENCE to God only and SACRIFICE for the common good. Instead, it was turned into a money-making scam and then used as the business model to franchise them everywhere.


These priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., are “the blind leading the blind” exactly as Christ warned us (Matt. 15:13-14). If they were not blind they would be terrified to be priests. Do you really think people would be so anxious to build another FAKE temple to Satan, if they could see the truth that any attempt to build another temple WILL BE reduced to ashes, along with its supporters (see Jer. 23:1-5, Ezek. 34:1-10, Ezek. 34:23, Mal. 4, Matt. 6:1-8, Matt. 23)?


We need to purify our own temples through obedience to God (Deut. 30:15-20), discipline (the hallmark of Discipleship) and self-sacrifice (Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) to make them fit for spiritual habitation. Obedience and self-sacrifice are the pillars of God’s TRUE temple. Why do you think every body has a temple on either side of their head? So that God can dwell between them. How obvious does it have to be, before you “get it”?


1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.


1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.


Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
It is true that we are the spiritual temple, I notice you quoted Revelation 11:19 which talks about the temple in heaven, but did not quote Revelation 11:1-2 which talks about another temple that is NOT in heaven.
 

Jimbone

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#14
The following excerpt is from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christian-zionism-for-dummies/


A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.


When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:


“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”


God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19, John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).


Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.


However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.


That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6).


And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).

Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.


Acts 7:48
7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.

The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind


Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.


Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.


Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23
And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.




Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
Thank goodness, for a LONG time this was just another thread with a bunch of people against a belief coming together to describe the belief and then "destroy" it without a single person that actually believes the opposite to be found. I just don't see much point in debating things with only one side of the argument present.

My hat's off to you for such a strait forward and concise scriptural basis for what I like to call "The Third Temple Dilemma".
The fact that when a "Temple of God" is built, it involves God commanding us to build it. That's what He did the first two times, and then as you laid out, He stepped foot on earth and told, taught, and showed us how this temple was pointing to Him and His coming. He came right? Why on earth would a God whose whole plan was reconciling us back to Himself, and achieved this in all victory, now dwells inside of every believer, why would He turn around and build a temple again? That's backwards, confusing, and is honestly a slap to the face of Jesus. This doesn't even touch on the idea of scripture being closed.

Most Christians I ever heard speak on this matter would agree that scripture is closed. That through Jesus and the apostles we were given His sufficient word, that these scriptures are how God speaks to us in these final days. This is what most would have agreed with at least until I made this argument pointing out the fact that God never gives us a command to build a 3rd temple, and that if a bunch of men decide to build another temple it will just be another pile of man stacked bricks and cannot possibly be a "Holy Place" that could be desecrated. Or to put it plainly, you can't desecrate a false abomination. On top of that if one does say that God can give the command to build another temple in this way, then all of a sudden every cult out there has to be looked at again, if God is still speaking in this way, then we have to understand that Mohammed, Joseph Smith, heck even ol' Ron Hubbard might have information we need if this kind of revelation has still been"open" all this time.

The good ol' "Third Temple Dilemma", hard to get past this one, but arguing about no stars hitting the earth in 70ad is much more conclusive. I just wanted to say it was nice reading an argument from the other side of the debate that wasn't just the surface level cartoon version people that disagree with it throw out there for the easy kill.
 

Musicmaster

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It is true that we are the spiritual temple, I notice you quoted Revelation 11:19 which talks about the temple in heaven, but did not quote Revelation 11:1-2 which talks about another temple that is NOT in heaven.
What we saw in the post to which you responded is the typical outflow from allegorizing scripture. Somehow, it's all ethereal, like a ghost.

THAT is how they make it say whatever they want within their story-telling antics to try and make the context say whatever they want it to say. Their "Bible Answer Man" clown does that every time he opens his mouth to talk about eschatology. That's the beauty in making scripture so very subjective; he attracts those who like making scripture say what HE and THEY want it to say.

As you saw, the tattered quilt woven together by ripping other passages from their contexts in order to draw the subjective and false lines of parallel to the third temple, all in an attempt to try and discredit what makes far greater sense when taken literally as a physical temple, wah-lah...they have their man-made story-interpretation that utterly defies what I know as an Israeli as the truth. Heck, those people are also a large portion of the sourcing from which we hear some of the outlandish garbage of replacement theology. That poster was right in one sense....what use do Gentiles have for a temple if they were replaced by the Gentile Church? That gang is well aware of Israel's fall, as stated by Paul, and Preterism is all but too happy to force Gentiles into the place of Israel in all God's plans for the future. Satan really likes all that given that he's been trying to wipe us Israelis off the face of the earth since Abraham.

What the ethereal/allegory gang fails to take into consideration as a gauge to their misrepresentations of scripture is the 70 weeks of Jacob's trouble, the last seven years of which are those years within which the third temple will exist. Looking back, we can see that the LITERAL decree to rebuild was for a literal, physical walls and temple 434 years prior to the crucifixion of Messiah, which was also literal, with Messiah being literal. All throughout, those walls were literally physical walls, and that temple was a literal, physical temple that was rebuilt. It took them 49 years to accomplish that with their ancient tools and back-breaking labor. The Jewish Messiah then entered the city on a colt the very day of that decree 434 years after that work was accomplished...to the day!

Ahhh, but for the future, it's much easier for the blind to convince the blind who are all too happy to go along with reshaping the narrative into a hyper-spiritualized mess that creates more problems than it solves. After all, EVERYBODY likes to think of themselves as being so very spiritual, and so applying interpretational methods that fail to conform to the history and constraints of biblical language and meaning as understood through accepted hermeneutical methodology, proven time after time as a reliable system, the new religions rear their ugly heads, a large percentage of the population of which also think that we today must be baptized unto the remission of sins, which is works-based salvation that simply doesn't mix with salvation by grace through faith. They boast in their baptisms and their works of restraint to keep from allegedly losing salvation.

Falsehood has many, many faces. The effectiveness behind falsehoods is the prime reason Satan doesn't possess people today. Falsehoods are a far more effective weapon, especially when he can get people to downplay the absolute merits of the Blood of Christ by mixing it with their own efforts, their own works. Such as Christ is completely unknown to the scriptures. Those are all false christs, of which scripture effectively warns against when taken literally...

The main purpose for the third temple isn't so much that it will be God's dwelling place, but the place where the man of sin will declare himself god. It will be the trigger for the greatest of all the wrath God will already have been pouring out upon the earth.

MM
 

Musicmaster

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Realistically, Amillennialism is firmly rooted in replacement theology. People can roll their eyes at the ceiling and wave their hands through the air, but the evil and wickedness of replacement theology is nothing but an alignment with Islam and its anti-Semitism that it has fueled across campuses of allegedly higher learning. I can picture Walter Marten doing the proverbial "turning over in his grave." That his ministry against cults has itself been turned into a cult...it's truly ironic.

MM
 

HeIsHere

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#19
The following excerpt is from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christian-zionism-for-dummies/


A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.


When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:


“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”


God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19, John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).


Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.


However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.


That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6).


And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).

Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.


Acts 7:48
7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.

The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind


Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.


Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.


Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23
And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.


It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures. How could someone possibly think God wants us to build another physical temple with human hands when they have a 100% fail rate on this planet? God has already destroyed it twice. How many times does He need to do it until you “get it”? Every single one of them (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) has been built without His permission and then used to enrich a handful of greedy, evil so-called “religious” leaders (criminals really) at the expense of everyone else, teaching satanic materialism (“crime pays”) instead of Godliness and “self” sacrifice (Matt. 6:24, Luke 9:23).


Solomon’s Temple was supposed to be a reminder of OBEDIENCE to God only and SACRIFICE for the common good. Instead, it was turned into a money-making scam and then used as the business model to franchise them everywhere.


These priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., are “the blind leading the blind” exactly as Christ warned us (Matt. 15:13-14). If they were not blind they would be terrified to be priests. Do you really think people would be so anxious to build another FAKE temple to Satan, if they could see the truth that any attempt to build another temple WILL BE reduced to ashes, along with its supporters (see Jer. 23:1-5, Ezek. 34:1-10, Ezek. 34:23, Mal. 4, Matt. 6:1-8, Matt. 23)?


We need to purify our own temples through obedience to God (Deut. 30:15-20), discipline (the hallmark of Discipleship) and self-sacrifice (Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) to make them fit for spiritual habitation. Obedience and self-sacrifice are the pillars of God’s TRUE temple. Why do you think every body has a temple on either side of their head? So that God can dwell between them. How obvious does it have to be, before you “get it”?


1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.


1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.


Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

What is that saying ..something about a leopard?
 

HeIsHere

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#20
The following excerpt is from:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christian-zionism-for-dummies/


A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.


When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:


“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”


God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19, John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).


Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.


However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.


That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6).


And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).

Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.


Acts 7:48
7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.

The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind


Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.


Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.


Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23
And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.


It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures. How could someone possibly think God wants us to build another physical temple with human hands when they have a 100% fail rate on this planet? God has already destroyed it twice. How many times does He need to do it until you “get it”? Every single one of them (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) has been built without His permission and then used to enrich a handful of greedy, evil so-called “religious” leaders (criminals really) at the expense of everyone else, teaching satanic materialism (“crime pays”) instead of Godliness and “self” sacrifice (Matt. 6:24, Luke 9:23).


Solomon’s Temple was supposed to be a reminder of OBEDIENCE to God only and SACRIFICE for the common good. Instead, it was turned into a money-making scam and then used as the business model to franchise them everywhere.


These priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., are “the blind leading the blind” exactly as Christ warned us (Matt. 15:13-14). If they were not blind they would be terrified to be priests. Do you really think people would be so anxious to build another FAKE temple to Satan, if they could see the truth that any attempt to build another temple WILL BE reduced to ashes, along with its supporters (see Jer. 23:1-5, Ezek. 34:1-10, Ezek. 34:23, Mal. 4, Matt. 6:1-8, Matt. 23)?


We need to purify our own temples through obedience to God (Deut. 30:15-20), discipline (the hallmark of Discipleship) and self-sacrifice (Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) to make them fit for spiritual habitation. Obedience and self-sacrifice are the pillars of God’s TRUE temple. Why do you think every body has a temple on either side of their head? So that God can dwell between them. How obvious does it have to be, before you “get it”?


1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.


1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.


Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
The Temple comes down from Heaven that is what you believe, correct?