Understanding God’s election

Perfect. Now, I know who you are here. As I said. It takes very little to push your mask away and have you show your true self.



Thanks again.

You must be off your meds today. Or did your doctors just give up on you?

My "true self" has very likely forgotten more scripture than you'll ever know. Anyone who thinks that God, who is an eternal Spirit can die, isn't playing with a full deck. And anyone who can't get their facts straight on just who it was who carried Jesus' cross is either too lazy to look it up in the Word of God, or worse....is deliberately and intentionally misleading the readers here with malice.

BJ: "Rufus is the name in scripture of the man the Roman guard forced to carry the cross when Jesus' strength failed him. He helped the Romans kill God."

R: "Rufus, the son of the man who carried Jesus' cross, was one of God's very own chosen ones" (Rom 16:13).

(Is that an OOOPS! I hear? :^)

Overlooked?

No, it's not. Read what I wrote carefully again. Forget the phrase that starts with "the son of the man..." and just read carefully, taking a deep breath...Rufus...was one of God's very own chosen ones (Rom 16:13). BJ is guilty of the "OOPS" because he's either woefully ignorant of the scriptures or he maliciously lied.

Don't forget: "We're dealing with a guy here who thinks an eternal Spirit can die.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Rufus-in-the-Bible.html

No. That was an invitation to see if the Alt-Write (grammar Nazi) that showed their true face weeks ago would be easily enticed to show themselves again.

"That's the wrong word!"

No. It was the just write one.

And just as way back then,Alt-Write had an allie jump on their bandwagon and stand with them against the " wrong word" used.

Thanks again.

I don't mean to be argumentative, nor do I want to be too dogmatic, and I understand what you're saying, but I'm not so sure it was intended that 1 Pet 2:9-10, to be only addressed to the messianic Jews, given as Peter salutation to them was as being "strangers" in 1 Pet 1:1, and from what I could determine from scripture, the term "stranger" is often used to describe the non-Jews who joined Israel - though in this case joined to the spiritual Jews of the Israel of God, not earthly Jews of earthly Israel(see Eph 2:11, 12 below); that is, they, had been strangers to the new covenant (which we all were at one time or another). So, I also believe the Gentiles, as well as the Jews, were the grouping of 1 Pet 2:9 -10. I think Paul's teaching was that God's election was/is the sole, predominant, and determinative grouping supplanting all other earthly associations, with those He elected comprising the "hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; " Rev 5:9, to include the elect earthly Jews.
Regarding Rom 9, I think that beginning at 9:6, Paul changes (albeit subtly) to speaking about spiritual Jews, not earthly Jews - see Gal 3:29 below.
Therefore, the election, and only the election, became the people of God irrespective of earthly linage.

Not saying that I understand it all perfectly - how it all fits together (so I am open to correction) - nor did I explain it the best way possible, so hope it makes sense.

[Exo 12:48 KJV] 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

[1Pe 1:1-2 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[Eph 2:11,12-13 KJV]
11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

[Eph 2:19 KJV] 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

[Col 3:11 KJV] 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

[Gal 3:28,29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[Gal 6:15 KJV] 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Recently, Rog broached a subject about what the eternal destiny would be for all the very young or the mentally/emotionally incompetent who die without attaining to the true knowledge of good and evil. Predictably, GWH responded basically that God has that covered with his Love. His love would never allow such people to eternally perish. But what about God's justice? Also, his solution clearly implies that God has at least two standards by which he saves people: One standard is his love alone. The other standard is the Gospel which adults must believe if they hope to see God. But the biblical answer tells us that God has but one standard by which He will either condemn or acquit ALL sinners, regardless of age or competency.

What FWs very often forget, evidently, is that all sinners are ultimately justified by God's sovereign gift of grace (Rom 3:24; 5:16-19; Eph 2:8-10; Tit 3:5-7). And not only are all God's elect justified by His grace, but God gave this precious gift of grace to His elect before the beginning of time (2Tim 1:9) -- before any of us, like Jacob and Esau, did anything good or bad (Rom 9:11). All God's elect whom (personal pronoun not to be confused with the impersonal pronoun "what") He [fore] knew in eternity He predestined, and those He predestined He effectually called, and those He called, he also justified and those He justified he also glorified (Rom 8:29-30). There's not one saint in heaven who got there apart from God's grace of Election! Not one! God saves whoever he pleases and his election has nothing to do with sinners' desires or their efforts (Rom 9:14-24). And Jesus gives life to whomever He is pleased to give it (Jn 5:21). And the Son is pleased to give life to all the Father has given to Him (Jn 17:2). For God predestines his saints and works ALL things after the counsel of his own will (Eph 1:11).

Moreover, there is biblical evidence that strongly suggests that God is not willing any "little children" should perish (Mat 18:14), and the context suggests that Jesus employed a double entendre to mean physically underage small children or the more mature who are spiritually little children, since adult believers in scripture are often referred to as "little children" (Mat 11:25; 1Thes 2:7) or "dear children" (1Jn 2:1, 12-13, 18, 28, etc., etc.). And the last line of evidence is that king David certainly believed that he would, upon his own death, again see the child God took from him as punishment for his sins (2Sam 12:23).

Finally, a brief comment is in order on an adjunct to this topic, i.e. Original Sin. Since many millions (if not more) children have physically died throughout all these millennia, we should ask how such deaths could be allowed by God since small children don't know they are sinners, not having a true understanding of good and evil. There are some here (such as PT) who don't believe in the doctrine of Original Sin, so they would be at a loss to explain how a righteous God could be just in ordaining the physical deaths of so many children, since the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)! In the world of PTs, all children are "innocent" little angels. But when they deny the doctrine of Original Sin, then they unwittingly paint themselves into corner because they have no way to explain God's justice in those deaths. But for the rest of us who believe God's Word, the answer is Original Sin. All Adam's progeny come into this world bearing his sin that God imputed to each and everyone of us. This is how God is just in decreeing the deaths of all the "innocents" in this world.

So...in closing God's grace of Election biblically accounts for how all God's elect are saved, including little children. And Original Sin explains how God is just in decreeing the deaths of young children who have never reached the age of accountability since they never had any true knowledge of good and evil. Both of these doctrines clearly reveal God's righteousness/justice. God's judicial standard is the same for all mankind.

BJ's is the Oops I had in mind.
(But I needed reminding about the biblical Rufus also :^)