GOD WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED

Just as how, in Adam, death entered into the world by sin, his disobedience, so also, life is made available through the obedience of Christ, the second Adam. Jesus came to deliver those who in bondage to sin, and therefore death. He accomplished this by dying even though He is sinless, and He took the sins of the world with Him to the grave and rose again because death has no legal hold on Him. And, being the firstborn of the dead, so also all, the entire world, will also be resurrected. Some will be raised to everlasting life and some to eternal destruction, the second death (Jesus did not save anyone from that). The determining factor of which resurrection an individual participates is not determined by their actions, what they did or did not do (because all the sins of the world have been atoned for in Christ) so, what will it be? It will be what it has always been, the one thing that God counts as any man's righteousness.

So, if what Adam took away the freedom to choose from all, then how much more that what Christ did would restore the freedom to choose for all?

Proverbs 19 verse 21 Jeremiah 10 verse 23b ~ Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. No one who walks directs his own steps.

Yeah I hear that no choice at all argument a lot and it's a straw man. Scripture explicitly says that the natural man will not come into the light that he is darkness itself and darkness does not comprehend the light and will not come into the light because his deeds are evil and he doesn't want them to be exposed. He is a lover of darkness and a slave to sin who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness. The error is that many ascribe to the natural man what can only be said to be true of the Spiritual man.

oh I see it has more than one meaning, well then in this conctext it would be recieving salvation correct?

Proverbs 19 verse 21 Jeremiah 10 verse 23b ~ Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. No one who walks directs his own steps.

Several scriptures emphasize the importance of surrendering to be saved, including Luke 9:23-24, which states that those who deny themselves and follow Jesus will save their lives, and Matthew 10:37, which says that those who love God more than family are worthy of him both of these things involve an active choice to surrender and follow to believe or not believe these things are all over the word of God and they involve the active decision to do so

God also gave adama and eve the order to not eat of the fruit of knowledge he gave them a choice they decided wrong Jesus comes and says to believe in him and you will be saved believing is a verb meaning an active decision if there is no choice at all then why believe when we were already determined to be saved or not believing would not be needed

Why do you keep coming back to this idea of no choice at all?

and honestly when it comes down to it we ought to go by what esus said we can debate all day but esus said that only through faith in him can we be saved

Because that is the issue that some have and believe, especially when it comes to selected salvation

If you want to go by what Jesus said then you should believe that faith comes by hearing and not everyone hears ... that the natural man cannot receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God. Scripture says His sheep hear His voice... and that those who do not hear do not belong to God.

Of course then we have people claiming everyone hears when that is not Biblical at all. Nor is it historically factual. But Jesus did come to open the eyes of the blind and unstop the ears of the deaf so that we could exercize faith after being raised to new life in Him. The deaf do not choose to believe what they cannot even hear. The gospel is foolishness to the natural man.


John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

well that is true I cannot argue that point, I suppose it depends on what one considers to hear is but your right about that

What is the point of hearing something if no comprehension is involved?

there is no point the issue is that many do hear the gospel being preached but there is a difference between hearing and listening it just falls on deaf ears and thus no comprehension

though to hear the gospel being preached he first needs to draw us to him after that the choice of surrendering to that call but in our natural sinful state we will not hear this calling

What do you understand the difference to be between the natural man and the spiritual man? Because many ascribe to the natural man what can only be true of the spiritual man and they argue as if it is the natural man that makes a choice to believe what is foolishness to him... That is, chooses to believe something that he cannot even receive.

If God wants everybody to be saved, then everybody would be saved

GOD has always wanted everyone to be saved! But HE enabled us to be able to make a choice, between not accepting HIS Grace, and accepting HIS Grace.

Don't forget: HE Loves us all! We're all God's children.

Romans 9:16:


"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."

GOD has always wanted everyone to be saved! But HE enabled us to be able to make a choice, between not accepting HIS Grace, and accepting HIS Grace.

Don't forget: HE Loves us all! We're all God's children.