Slight-of-Hand Huckster Tricks

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Musicmaster

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So much of modern Christianity here in the West practices so often the slight-of-hand tricks where they were taught to inject words and meaning into scriptural texts and contexts, or down-play existing words and/or meaning, to again try and make it all conform to the false doctrines their pastors, Sunday school teachers, Bible study materials and groups, et al, have taught them that they should believe, all without daring to go into the scriptures and study it all out for themselves. Name-it-claim-it hucksters are very much a part of the general grouping who follow these practices, inclusive of historic doctrinal groupings such as TULIP, Hebrew Roots, Universalism, liberal theology of all stripes, etc.

One particular truth that finds itself faced with massive resistance is the fact that Israel was, and will be once again, the portal through which Gentiles must enter for salvation with great rewards:

Exodus 12:47-49
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The context nowhere hints at the idea that the sojourner later becomes detached from Israel as not being just as a blood-born Jew. They became Jews, period, just as it is stated in Esther:

Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land [Gentiles] became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them. (emphasis mine)

The motivation, then, has no bearing upon the fact that Gentiles became just as the blood-born Jews, all joined together under one Law, and were therefore, in the eyes of the Lord, were Jews through and through, just as in Christ today, entry into the body of Christ is irrespective of one being male or female, slave or freeman, etc., the Lord clearly established Israel as a kind of portal through which Gentiles entered into the fold. The modern-day hatred of us Israelites among so many Evangelicals and independents (non-denominational) and cults alike, it's clearly a tool of Satan working in the hearts and minds of professing believers in Christ Jesus.

The reality of Israel being that portal through which Gentiles must enter will once again become a solid foundation in the coming Millennial Kingdom once the Lord withdraws His grace from the earth to deal with Israel's insolence and rejection of Messiah, and deal with the unbelieving world of men. Gentiles will once again find themselves required to enter in through the portal of Israel for great rewards in salvation in the Millennial Kingdom, with Israel ruling the world. The false claims for this being no more than "Imperialistic wishful thinking," they are those who reject scripture for what it says, for they have no regard for anything that exists outside of their own subjective belief systems.

For those of you who plan to be here during half, most or all of the tribulation, what are YOUR plans along this line? Will those of you who hate us Jews with the wicked and evil passion that has gripped so many hearts today, will you at some point in the future embrace scripture for what it says, or do you figure on the continuation of following your favorite false teacher(s)?

MM
 
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Wow is me, thank you MM
I see one Faith, one Lord, one Baptism for all to believe Father seriously loves us all and adopts us in through Son. No more need for physical circumcision or being under Law, cursed and excused by people as I see happens in all earth religions today, unfortunately
Thank you for being a believer in the risen Son Yeshuah, Jesus in English where new life resides now for us all in belief to Father in Son for us to be new in love and mercy to all.
that is what I see no hatred, only righteousness, God's righteousness permeating through his children, as I see you are and thank you for this
 

Kroogz

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#3
So much of modern Christianity here in the West practices so often the slight-of-hand tricks where they were taught to inject words and meaning into scriptural texts and contexts, or down-play existing words and/or meaning, to again try and make it all conform to the false doctrines their pastors, Sunday school teachers, Bible study materials and groups, et al, have taught them that they should believe, all without daring to go into the scriptures and study it all out for themselves. Name-it-claim-it hucksters are very much a part of the general grouping who follow these practices, inclusive of historic doctrinal groupings such as TULIP, Hebrew Roots, Universalism, liberal theology of all stripes, etc.

One particular truth that finds itself faced with massive resistance is the fact that Israel was, and will be once again, the portal through which Gentiles must enter for salvation with great rewards:

Exodus 12:47-49
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The context nowhere hints at the idea that the sojourner later becomes detached from Israel as not being just as a blood-born Jew. They became Jews, period, just as it is stated in Esther:

Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land [Gentiles] became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them. (emphasis mine)

The motivation, then, has no bearing upon the fact that Gentiles became just as the blood-born Jews, all joined together under one Law, and were therefore, in the eyes of the Lord, were Jews through and through, just as in Christ today, entry into the body of Christ is irrespective of one being male or female, slave or freeman, etc., the Lord clearly established Israel as a kind of portal through which Gentiles entered into the fold. The modern-day hatred of us Israelites among so many Evangelicals and independents (non-denominational) and cults alike, it's clearly a tool of Satan working in the hearts and minds of professing believers in Christ Jesus.

The reality of Israel being that portal through which Gentiles must enter will once again become a solid foundation in the coming Millennial Kingdom once the Lord withdraws His grace from the earth to deal with Israel's insolence and rejection of Messiah, and deal with the unbelieving world of men. Gentiles will once again find themselves required to enter in through the portal of Israel for great rewards in salvation in the Millennial Kingdom, with Israel ruling the world. The false claims for this being no more than "Imperialistic wishful thinking," they are those who reject scripture for what it says, for they have no regard for anything that exists outside of their own subjective belief systems.

For those of you who plan to be here during half, most or all of the tribulation, what are YOUR plans along this line? Will those of you who hate us Jews with the wicked and evil passion that has gripped so many hearts today, will you at some point in the future embrace scripture for what it says, or do you figure on the continuation of following your favorite false teacher(s)?

MM
Spectacular.What has been forgotten is the FACT that Israel, in its inception, did everything to point to Christ. They were "the Gospel" to a lost and dying world.

What we tend to focus on is the slow and methodical fall of Israel into RELIGION and pride.

The Millennial Kingdom will Put Israel back to their true and intended purpose.......Christ alone.
 

Kroogz

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#4
So much of modern Christianity here in the West practices so often the slight-of-hand tricks where they were taught to inject words and meaning into scriptural texts and contexts, or down-play existing words and/or meaning, to again try and make it all conform to the false doctrines their pastors, Sunday school teachers, Bible study materials and groups, et al, have taught them that they should believe, all without daring to go into the scriptures and study it all out for themselves. Name-it-claim-it hucksters are very much a part of the general grouping who follow these practices, inclusive of historic doctrinal groupings such as TULIP, Hebrew Roots, Universalism, liberal theology of all stripes, etc.

One particular truth that finds itself faced with massive resistance is the fact that Israel was, and will be once again, the portal through which Gentiles must enter for salvation with great rewards:

Exodus 12:47-49
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The context nowhere hints at the idea that the sojourner later becomes detached from Israel as not being just as a blood-born Jew. They became Jews, period, just as it is stated in Esther:

Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land [Gentiles] became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them. (emphasis mine)

The motivation, then, has no bearing upon the fact that Gentiles became just as the blood-born Jews, all joined together under one Law, and were therefore, in the eyes of the Lord, were Jews through and through, just as in Christ today, entry into the body of Christ is irrespective of one being male or female, slave or freeman, etc., the Lord clearly established Israel as a kind of portal through which Gentiles entered into the fold. The modern-day hatred of us Israelites among so many Evangelicals and independents (non-denominational) and cults alike, it's clearly a tool of Satan working in the hearts and minds of professing believers in Christ Jesus.

The reality of Israel being that portal through which Gentiles must enter will once again become a solid foundation in the coming Millennial Kingdom once the Lord withdraws His grace from the earth to deal with Israel's insolence and rejection of Messiah, and deal with the unbelieving world of men. Gentiles will once again find themselves required to enter in through the portal of Israel for great rewards in salvation in the Millennial Kingdom, with Israel ruling the world. The false claims for this being no more than "Imperialistic wishful thinking," they are those who reject scripture for what it says, for they have no regard for anything that exists outside of their own subjective belief systems.

For those of you who plan to be here during half, most or all of the tribulation, what are YOUR plans along this line? Will those of you who hate us Jews with the wicked and evil passion that has gripped so many hearts today, will you at some point in the future embrace scripture for what it says, or do you figure on the continuation of following your favorite false teacher(s)?

MM
After 2000 years we can see many parallels between Israel and the Church.

Israel was gifted to proclaim His Gospel to all.....and fell away.

The Church is gifted to proclaim His Gospel to all....And is/has? fallen away.

2 of the MAJOR doctrines to watch and "see" the fall.

1~~The Gospel is not for all men.

2~~working for/maintaining/losing/forfeiting salvation.

Sound familiar? Israel fell because of these 2.
 

Blade

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Why do this? Did you ever met them talk to them or just prayed for them?

Father forgive me.. lets look at one "Name-it-claim-it hucksters " many years ago and more then once and on video "we got it wrong I repented". It was about that. Yet who would be still looking at the past and holding it against you? Not God.. Satan.

"the fact that Israel was, and will be once again, the portal through which Gentiles must enter for salvation with great rewards"

Hmm not what I read. If anyone wants to come to the Father they have to go through Christ who is the way the truth and the life. He said that to His own face to face and they reject Him. He died on the cross alone. Israel cannot save anyone any more then I can. If someone never hears of Israel but heard Jesus came died for you... and believed they are His they are grafted in and no one can tell a grafted branch vs a original branch. "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

The word says "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer".

So I agree "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
 

BillyBob

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Trust in God's Sovereignty

We have a sovereign God who demands our trust. One who is above all other gods and is in control of all creation.
Yet when things go wrong we have fear, worry, and anxiety. Why is this?
Why do we put our trust in ourselves, the government or any other thing above our very own God – the one in which our trust should be placed! This is indeed the sin which is spoken of in the book of Isaiah 10.
Because of this miss-directed trust, God uses the enemies of his people as a tool to punish them and cause them to trust in Him alone. Their enemies boast of their strength, but God proclaims that they are being used for His purpose:

Shall the axe boast over him who hews with it, or the saw magnify itself against him who wields it?. Once they have served my purpose, I will devour them!

Then He says in 10:20 -

In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer lean on him who struck them, but will lean on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

I believe that this remnant is now spread throughout the earth, but will be brought together as a people of God, His church, His people.
 

Cameron143

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There is neither Jew nor Greek; only the new creation. There exists only 1 covenant that ever brought salvation: the covenant of grace.
 
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I believe a relevant verse to add to this discussion…

“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” Zechariah 8:23 NKJV
 

Musicmaster

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Wow is me, thank you MM
I see one Faith, one Lord, one Baptism for all to believe Father seriously loves us all and adopts us in through Son. No more need for physical circumcision or being under Law, cursed and excused by people as I see happens in all earth religions today, unfortunately
Thank you for being a believer in the risen Son Yeshuah, Jesus in English where new life resides now for us all in belief to Father in Son for us to be new in love and mercy to all.
that is what I see no hatred, only righteousness, God's righteousness permeating through his children, as I see you are and thank you for this
Thanks for commenting. Good stuff.

It's interesting to bring up the one baptism, which is spiritual. A member of a particular group some years ago asked if I had been baptized, to which I indicated the spiritual baptism. His response was that I also had to be water baptized for remission of sins. Surprised, I asked him if he was under the Kingdom Gospel, and he affirmed such; not realizing that he was placing himself under what is no longer relevant for us today given that Israel has fallen:

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

For millennia, Gentiles had to become Jews to be saved with great reward, but that ended with the advent of the dispensation of Grace. He didn't understand that adding baptism unto the remission of sins totally confounds the concept of grace, and is therefore legalism, which saved nobody. He boasted because of his water baptism, which absolutely contradicts scripture in how it defines grace.

Thanks again for bringing to this a very important topic.

MM
 

Musicmaster

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Spectacular.What has been forgotten is the FACT that Israel, in its inception, did everything to point to Christ. They were "the Gospel" to a lost and dying world.

What we tend to focus on is the slow and methodical fall of Israel into RELIGION and pride.

The Millennial Kingdom will Put Israel back to their true and intended purpose.......Christ alone.
I wish more professing believers were rooted in what you said here. This is some really good and true stuff. Thanks for the great response.

MM
 

Musicmaster

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#11
Why do this? Did you ever met them talk to them or just prayed for them?

Father forgive me.. lets look at one "Name-it-claim-it hucksters " many years ago and more then once and on video "we got it wrong I repented". It was about that. Yet who would be still looking at the past and holding it against you? Not God.. Satan.

"the fact that Israel was, and will be once again, the portal through which Gentiles must enter for salvation with great rewards"

Hmm not what I read. If anyone wants to come to the Father they have to go through Christ who is the way the truth and the life. He said that to His own face to face and they reject Him. He died on the cross alone. Israel cannot save anyone any more then I can. If someone never hears of Israel but heard Jesus came died for you... and believed they are His they are grafted in and no one can tell a grafted branch vs a original branch. "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

The word says "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer".

So I agree "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Please re-read the OP. I never said that we today do not enter in through Christ. I clearly stated what was before the cross and what comes after the dispensation of grace after it comes to an end at the rapture. The Millennial Kingdom will once again see the continuance of the Kingdom program as defined after the ascension of Christ and before the fall of Israel.

MM
 

Musicmaster

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#12
Trust in God's Sovereignty

We have a sovereign God who demands our trust. One who is above all other gods and is in control of all creation.
Yet when things go wrong we have fear, worry, and anxiety. Why is this?
Why do we put our trust in ourselves, the government or any other thing above our very own God – the one in which our trust should be placed! This is indeed the sin which is spoken of in the book of Isaiah 10.
Because of this miss-directed trust, God uses the enemies of his people as a tool to punish them and cause them to trust in Him alone. Their enemies boast of their strength, but God proclaims that they are being used for His purpose:

Shall the axe boast over him who hews with it, or the saw magnify itself against him who wields it?. Once they have served my purpose, I will devour them!

Then He says in 10:20 -

In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer lean on him who struck them, but will lean on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

I believe that this remnant is now spread throughout the earth, but will be brought together as a people of God, His church, His people.
We therefore have good reason to battle the many, many falsehoods foisted upon the unsuspecting masses of sheeple.

MM
 
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#13
Thanks for commenting. Good stuff.

It's interesting to bring up the one baptism, which is spiritual. A member of a particular group some years ago asked if I had been baptized, to which I indicated the spiritual baptism. His response was that I also had to be water baptized for remission of sins. Surprised, I asked him if he was under the Kingdom Gospel, and he affirmed such; not realizing that he was placing himself under what is no longer relevant for us today given that Israel has fallen:

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

For millennia, Gentiles had to become Jews to be saved with great reward, but that ended with the advent of the dispensation of Grace. He didn't understand that adding baptism unto the remission of sins totally confounds the concept of grace, and is therefore legalism, which saved nobody. He boasted because of his water baptism, which absolutely contradicts scripture in how it defines grace.

Thanks again for bringing to this a very important topic.

MM
Welcome
I see Jesus as risen plus nothing more to do once approved in through Father, Daddy, PaPa, through the done work of Son for me and all others also, time to stand in beleif as in Col 1:21-23. Thank you for that scripture to the Gentiles to make the first chosen jealous as I see, when Peter went to his comrades the other disciples and told them what he saw without any law that happened to the Cornelius house (Gentile). Then, them not believing Peter went to Galatia to spy out the freedom, and we, I read Peter hid and Paul rebuked Peter for hiding and then went to those disciples to tell them of their freedom, that it seems people are afraid of, as if they will get worse at sinning.
Not true getting worse when let goof trying to do it. There are bad habits to get retrained in though, thank you
I took the jump off the cliff, spiritually, willing to be dead. I got caught on the spirit way down, in the palm of Daddy's, Father's PaPa's hand and am led new all over the land in peace and tranquility, amazing grace given when one lets go of under Law, to me at least, thanks .
Anything else to have to do is under Law, and the curse gets revealed my unredeemed body trying to and can't do it
I see this
I choose, and do not have to, thanking God Father and Son as Won (One) for everyone to be new in belief too.
Under Law in stress to rest, and there is no rest in stress, as I see Hebrews 4:9-13 tells me I need rest and to rest I need to grow up as told needed in Hebrews 5:12- 6:3
Been leaning new ever since and left stress in the grave to stay, I did not always see that and do that, Still learning, learned and learning to stay at rest in my risen Messiah, Yashuah, Jesus in English, thanks