Concerning the gift of tongues
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You will see on their homepage, 'What we Believe' section. They talk about tongues.
https://www.chestercog.org/
Yes he manifests in you like this. It's the same when teaching or witnessing the word of God. And also, when defending yourself against the devil. Sometimes scriptures will come to your mind, and even if you don't know why, using it.
The holy spirit reminds of the scriptures, when we need them. And, I have found out, he sometimes will teach me things that I haven't learned yet.
https://www.chestercog.org/
Yes he manifests in you like this. It's the same when teaching or witnessing the word of God. And also, when defending yourself against the devil. Sometimes scriptures will come to your mind, and even if you don't know why, using it.
The holy spirit reminds of the scriptures, when we need them. And, I have found out, he sometimes will teach me things that I haven't learned yet.
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Yes your absolutely correct you are learning more and more how to hear the holy ghost and that makes me very happy. and uoi know as far as my poems go I have been told I am a prophet for the church to inspire and edify them not that a title like that matters but it does kind of fit how the spirit will just pour words as I type them. but of course the whole reason for them is the same with what tongues is for to edify empower and encourage. and thank you for the link I will check it out
What "many bible scholars agree on," while interesting, is irrelevant when the text does not clearly address the topic.
Again, irrelevant, because Paul did not say anything about pagan tongues.
Once again, that's not what the text says. The corruption Paul addressed was people speaking in tongues without interpretation and in a way that was selfish rather than mutually edifying.
Again, irrelevant, because Paul did not say anything about pagan tongues.
Once again, that's not what the text says. The corruption Paul addressed was people speaking in tongues without interpretation and in a way that was selfish rather than mutually edifying.
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You only have to read about the city historical context
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/into-the-heart-of-paganism
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/into-the-heart-of-paganism
The author ignores the fact that Paul still spoke in tongues - even more than any of the other believers. That article just doesn't like the gift of speaking in tongues.
Speaking of Paul - since he spoke in tongues, do you think he had some demonic episode every time he spoke in tongues? Because that's what you're saying speaking in tongues might be. Are you saying he was influenced by demons pagan or otherwise?
If you don't want to speak in tongues that's fine, but you need to be careful about how you judge other believers about what is influencing them when they speak in tongues. Remember, it's the Holy Spirit that has given that gift to those who are willing.
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What I'm saying is counterfeit tongues was going on..and that it was most likely trance like state with unintelligible sounds.... from pagan religion of the time.
Not that Paul was doing this.. but he was comparing the false with the true tongues.
So not the Paul was influenced, but the Corinthians were. And Paul was guided but the Holy Spirit to admonish the church at Corinth to edify the church with tongues they could understand.
As it was in Acts 2.
Not that Paul was doing this.. but he was comparing the false with the true tongues.
So not the Paul was influenced, but the Corinthians were. And Paul was guided but the Holy Spirit to admonish the church at Corinth to edify the church with tongues they could understand.
As it was in Acts 2.
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even if the author says they did counterfiet tongues how does he know that? we don't have historical records of them in that time except for the bible it isn't like they wrote down the counterfiet tongues tfor us to record as history but the scriptures should be our solid findings not an author who says they did which he has no real way of knowing even you say most likely as in your not entirely sure but we can be sure of what the bible says and it says no such thing
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True enough.. take it from the Bible itself.
These histories around the city of Corinth are real though. Reading scripture context..is putting it in its historical setting.
It's adds understanding to why things are done and said certain ways in scripture..because you can know more about backgrounds.
Anyway.. from scripture without the historical setting.. you can see Corinth has issues and wasn't practicing the tongues as they should.
Peace out
These histories around the city of Corinth are real though. Reading scripture context..is putting it in its historical setting.
It's adds understanding to why things are done and said certain ways in scripture..because you can know more about backgrounds.
Anyway.. from scripture without the historical setting.. you can see Corinth has issues and wasn't practicing the tongues as they should.
Peace out
Because the essential aspect of being a human rather than a robot or subhuman creature is moral free will (MFW), which is what enables a person to experience love and meaning. This is what makes humans different from animals, whose behavior is governed mainly by instinct. This is what it means to be created in God’s image (GN 1:26-27).
God could not force people to return His love without abrogating their humanity. If God were to zap ungodly souls, it would be tantamount to forcing conversions at gunpoint, which would not be free and genuine. If God were to prevent people from behaving hatefully, then He would need to prevent them from thinking evilly, which would make human souls programmed automatons.
Even if God were to prove Himself to skeptics by means of a miracle, they might believe for awhile and then as their memories began to fade they would probably think that God had died and revert to their former doubt—necessitating an endless string of miracles (recapitulating the story of the Israelites on the way to Canaan after the exodus from Egypt).
However, for reasons we may understand only sufficiently rather than completely, God designed reality so that experiencing His presence is less than compelling, so that even Jesus (God the Son) on the cross cried out “My God [the Father], why have you forsaken [taken God the Spirit from] me?” (MT 27:46, PS 51:11) This phenomenon is sometimes called “distanciation”, because we experience God as distant from us and “unknown” (ACTS 17:23), even though He is close or immanent, “for in Him we live and move and have our being” (ACTS 17:28). Distanciation is not forsaken.
God’s normative means of conversion is preaching/persuasion rather than coercion (MT 12:39, 24:24, 1CR 1:22-23). This is seen very clearly in Jesus’ lament over the obstinacy of Jerusalem (MT 23:37). Two unusual theophanies included when God appeared to Moses (in a burning bush per EX 3:2-6), whom God wanted to establish the Jewish lineage for the Messiah (OT), and to Saul/Paul (as the resurrected Jesus in ACTS 9:3-6), whom God chose to establish the NT church of Christ. Miracles are rare (not normative).
God could not force people to return His love without abrogating their humanity. If God were to zap ungodly souls, it would be tantamount to forcing conversions at gunpoint, which would not be free and genuine. If God were to prevent people from behaving hatefully, then He would need to prevent them from thinking evilly, which would make human souls programmed automatons.
Even if God were to prove Himself to skeptics by means of a miracle, they might believe for awhile and then as their memories began to fade they would probably think that God had died and revert to their former doubt—necessitating an endless string of miracles (recapitulating the story of the Israelites on the way to Canaan after the exodus from Egypt).
However, for reasons we may understand only sufficiently rather than completely, God designed reality so that experiencing His presence is less than compelling, so that even Jesus (God the Son) on the cross cried out “My God [the Father], why have you forsaken [taken God the Spirit from] me?” (MT 27:46, PS 51:11) This phenomenon is sometimes called “distanciation”, because we experience God as distant from us and “unknown” (ACTS 17:23), even though He is close or immanent, “for in Him we live and move and have our being” (ACTS 17:28). Distanciation is not forsaken.
God’s normative means of conversion is preaching/persuasion rather than coercion (MT 12:39, 24:24, 1CR 1:22-23). This is seen very clearly in Jesus’ lament over the obstinacy of Jerusalem (MT 23:37). Two unusual theophanies included when God appeared to Moses (in a burning bush per EX 3:2-6), whom God wanted to establish the Jewish lineage for the Messiah (OT), and to Saul/Paul (as the resurrected Jesus in ACTS 9:3-6), whom God chose to establish the NT church of Christ. Miracles are rare (not normative).
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Not here to debate but I have never in my 50+ years walking with the lord (64old) never seen or encountered "fake" tongues. I know Satan will try to mimic but that promise in Luke 11:13 is only for believers. The 120 which was not just men but He the sweet sweet holy Spirit fell on everyone there. They were all saved the day before but they waited on that promise ..that gift that Peter talked about right after.
We do tend to put God in a box and only allow Him to move based on our personal belief. Its like those that raise their hands worship or just have to start dancing around? Oooh man we would not like or be in shock how Israel worshiped the lord and this was before Christ.
I personally do not believe speaking in tongues is a gift for some. I can say countless get prayed for and tongues just comes out. Yet if I only saw a very few speak in tongues so what? Have you received the holy Spirit since you believed? Have you received that gift of the holy Spirit as Peter or the sweet sweet holy Spirit through Peter said?
I was just 16 and they asked if I wanted the holy spirit. They just read verses like Luke 11 13 and a few others never added anything to what was written then asked again if I wanted the holy Spirit again a promise only to believer. I said yes he prayed a very very short prayer said that was it you got it. I always loved that. Well do you read what GOD said what GOD promised and then do not you never doubt you just know He did it? They did. No one said anything.. I got up went to sit down and tongues just came out.
I will always say I was saved the day before and after that day was there a difference? OH I do not have the time or space to tell you how wonderful beautiful awesome He is. So many times.. I mean so many I have to fight when out in public to NOT stop and start praising Him worshiping Him. It never ever ever ever gets old. How this can always grow and get stronger. Its HIM its always about HIM. Made my self laugh.... yeah just saying this.. that fire oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
What matters more then anything else is do you know Christ as lord? YES that is what matters. I do take pride and I am not never have been like everyone else. I just take Him at what He said and I just believe. Never once.. ask Him if i am lying. Never once did He not do it. Over 7000 they say promises. You know at my wedding.. not based on what any man said but I read in the OT the promises.. I had them all read at my wedding. My Father said those.. gave them to me.. gave them to all that will believe. If I am wrong on anything Father in Jesus name change me first
So if He said it and its written just believe.. faith is the only thing that can please Him
We do tend to put God in a box and only allow Him to move based on our personal belief. Its like those that raise their hands worship or just have to start dancing around? Oooh man we would not like or be in shock how Israel worshiped the lord and this was before Christ.
I personally do not believe speaking in tongues is a gift for some. I can say countless get prayed for and tongues just comes out. Yet if I only saw a very few speak in tongues so what? Have you received the holy Spirit since you believed? Have you received that gift of the holy Spirit as Peter or the sweet sweet holy Spirit through Peter said?
I was just 16 and they asked if I wanted the holy spirit. They just read verses like Luke 11 13 and a few others never added anything to what was written then asked again if I wanted the holy Spirit again a promise only to believer. I said yes he prayed a very very short prayer said that was it you got it. I always loved that. Well do you read what GOD said what GOD promised and then do not you never doubt you just know He did it? They did. No one said anything.. I got up went to sit down and tongues just came out.
I will always say I was saved the day before and after that day was there a difference? OH I do not have the time or space to tell you how wonderful beautiful awesome He is. So many times.. I mean so many I have to fight when out in public to NOT stop and start praising Him worshiping Him. It never ever ever ever gets old. How this can always grow and get stronger. Its HIM its always about HIM. Made my self laugh.... yeah just saying this.. that fire oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
What matters more then anything else is do you know Christ as lord? YES that is what matters. I do take pride and I am not never have been like everyone else. I just take Him at what He said and I just believe. Never once.. ask Him if i am lying. Never once did He not do it. Over 7000 they say promises. You know at my wedding.. not based on what any man said but I read in the OT the promises.. I had them all read at my wedding. My Father said those.. gave them to me.. gave them to all that will believe. If I am wrong on anything Father in Jesus name change me first
So if He said it and its written just believe.. faith is the only thing that can please Him
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amazing testimony, I will say that the enemy does indeed mimic the gift I have known witches that do that but the fake tongues I encountered mainly were people just trying to speak the gift but didn't have it just empty words. however I know it is real because firstly I believe in ALL of the gifts regardless if I have seen it for myself but I have actually experienced the real thing as well. I do not have the gift but I admit if I could be more useful for God and to expand his kingdom I would love to have it
however many do not believe in the gift or discredit it they put God in a box but U already know this. right now I am researching the gift the purpose of it what it does and how one can have it, like is it something you can ask for and recieve or is it not part of the gifts you were intially given? and is there more than one form of tongues or just the kind we read about?
Like with my peotry I speak of things that are not my own words I don't even know what is going to be written but once I start the words just pour out and I cannot get them out fast enough it feels like some kind of surging is coursing through me my fingers get hot and the words just spew forth.
like a bubbling inside me that needs to come out and I cannot rest until it does I imagine this is what it feels like to speak in tongues
however many do not believe in the gift or discredit it they put God in a box but U already know this. right now I am researching the gift the purpose of it what it does and how one can have it, like is it something you can ask for and recieve or is it not part of the gifts you were intially given? and is there more than one form of tongues or just the kind we read about?
Like with my peotry I speak of things that are not my own words I don't even know what is going to be written but once I start the words just pour out and I cannot get them out fast enough it feels like some kind of surging is coursing through me my fingers get hot and the words just spew forth.
like a bubbling inside me that needs to come out and I cannot rest until it does I imagine this is what it feels like to speak in tongues
this has been talked about on CC for ever. i've witnessed it a few times & it was nonsense. any human could tell it was a waisted effort. 1st Corinthians 13:8 seems to teach that tongues shall be cut off, like a ceasing of operation. then, in 1st Corinthians 13:11, the teaching is that tongues will cease when the full revelation of God in scripture is completed. & that occurred at the end of the apostolic age which was when the new testament was completed. at least around here, it doesn't occur. i do not believe in speaking in tongues at this time.
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