GOD WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED

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Beckworth

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The grace of God that has brought salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:11) Not to just a select few, but to ALL MEN. The scriptures teach that God desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim. 2:4). He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezk. 18:32), and He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that EVERYONE would repent. (2 Peter 3:9). John 3:16 says that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish…; that means ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes in Him—not just a select few, but ALL. The gospel is for ALL people. He wants ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent! (Acts 17:30). And so He offers the invitation to “COME”…Come to me ALL YOU who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ( Rev. 22:17; Matthew 11:28) And if ANYONE thirsts, let him come to me and drink the water of life. (John 7). Anyone may “come” to Christ. He has assured us that WHOEVER calls on God will be saved (Roman’s 10:13), because He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2). AMEN!
 

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The grace of God that has brought salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:11) Not to just a select few, but to ALL MEN. The scriptures teach that God desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim. 2:4). He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezk. 18:32), and He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that EVERYONE would repent. (2 Peter 3:9). John 3:16 says that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish…; that means ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes in Him—not just a select few, but ALL. The gospel is for ALL people. He wants ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent! (Acts 17:30). And so He offers the invitation to “COME”…Come to me ALL YOU who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ( Rev. 22:17; Matthew 11:28) And if ANYONE thirsts, let him come to me and drink the water of life. (John 7). Anyone may “come” to Christ. He has assured us that WHOEVER calls on God will be saved (Roman’s 10:13), because He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2). AMEN!
Amen! The Old Testament (OT) indicates that God chose the Jewish culture for the purpose of providing Messiah, through whom the world would be blessed or saved (GN 22:18, IS 42:6, 49:6, JL 2:28& 32, MIC 4:2-3, ZPH 3:8-9, ZCH 2:11, 14:9&16), and the NT proclaims that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah or Christ (ACTS 2:36, RM 1:1-4, HB 1:1-4, 3:3-6).

It is tragic that the person God has ordained to be the head of one worldwide body of believers (JN 17:20-23, EPH 1:9-10 & 3:6, CL 1:18-20, PHP 2:9-11) is rejected by so many who claim to be theists. And it is ironic that this gemstone, which is the foundation and cornerstone of ultimate reality (EPH 2:20), is the stumbling-stone (1PT 2:6-8) to saving faith or God's requirement for salvation for many souls (1CR 1:22-25). Messiah/Christ is the key stone.
 

homwardbound

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The grace of God that has brought salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:11) Not to just a select few, but to ALL MEN. The scriptures teach that God desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim. 2:4). He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezk. 18:32), and He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that EVERYONE would repent. (2 Peter 3:9). John 3:16 says that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish…; that means ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes in Him—not just a select few, but ALL. The gospel is for ALL people. He wants ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent! (Acts 17:30). And so He offers the invitation to “COME”…Come to me ALL YOU who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ( Rev. 22:17; Matthew 11:28) And if ANYONE thirsts, let him come to me and drink the water of life. (John 7). Anyone may “come” to Christ. He has assured us that WHOEVER calls on God will be saved (Roman’s 10:13), because He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2). AMEN!
Fact, thanks God just loves us all y'all
 

Pilgrimshope

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The grace of God that has brought salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:11) Not to just a select few, but to ALL MEN. The scriptures teach that God desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Tim. 2:4). He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezk. 18:32), and He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that EVERYONE would repent. (2 Peter 3:9). John 3:16 says that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish…; that means ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes in Him—not just a select few, but ALL. The gospel is for ALL people. He wants ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent! (Acts 17:30). And so He offers the invitation to “COME”…Come to me ALL YOU who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ( Rev. 22:17; Matthew 11:28) And if ANYONE thirsts, let him come to me and drink the water of life. (John 7). Anyone may “come” to Christ. He has assured us that WHOEVER calls on God will be saved (Roman’s 10:13), because He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE WORLD. (1 John 2:2). AMEN!
Amen !

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no one God cannot or is unwilling to save he has made a way for all mankind to be saved but often we dont like his version and we selectively listen like this

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats for me amen ! And hallelujah ! But

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats not about me that’s about those people god requires to repent not me

but mostly it’s because people teach things like that that only the things that sound conditionless apply to you and if you have to do anything Jesus said you need to do well it’s just not faith and your trying to save yourself by good works yadda yadda ….as if faith means rejecting the things God said will save us and condemn us we only want to hear certain things but t things we don’t want to hear are the very things that will change us for the better
 

GWH

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Fact, thanks God just loves us all y'all
Yes, and because sinful humanity retains the image of God or moral free will, every normal adult soul is able by faith to choose between these two options: seeking salvation or ignoring GW (cf. DT 30:19). T

hat is why Paul went “every Sabbath to the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks” (ACTS 18:4)! “He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.” (ACTS 28:23b)

“Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. (ACTS 28:24) They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul made this final statement: The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving, for this people’s heart has become calloused.” (ACTS 28:25-27a, cf. 2TM 3:7)
 

homwardbound

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Yes, and because sinful humanity retains the image of God or moral free will, every normal adult soul is able by faith to choose between these two options: seeking salvation or ignoring GW (cf. DT 30:19). T

hat is why Paul went “every Sabbath to the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks” (ACTS 18:4)! “He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.” (ACTS 28:23b)

“Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. (ACTS 28:24) They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul made this final statement: The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving, for this people’s heart has become calloused.” (ACTS 28:25-27a, cf. 2TM 3:7)
Still calloused, to this day, not being taught truth in the reconciliation of God thorough Son once for us all as forgiven by God and not others. (Hebrews 10:10) best to read the entire Chapter to be in context.
Get that inside of self from God revealing that to us all through Son as risen. Then the new begins as we can see the full meaning of John 10:10
Emotions, is the thief I see in the first part, that steals, kills and destroys, The last part is Risen Son by Father giving new life to us in our Souls. Agreeing thankfully, we are dead tp our first born selfish self
So, settle this within ourselves, and begin to see Father doing the done work of Son in love to all, working through us each
Thanks
 

GWH

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Still calloused, to this day, not being taught truth in the reconciliation of God thorough Son once for us all as forgiven by God and not others. (Hebrews 10:10) best to read the entire Chapter to be in context.
Get that inside of self from God revealing that to us all through Son as risen. Then the new begins as we can see the full meaning of John 10:10
Emotions, is the thief I see in the first part, that steals, kills and destroys, The last part is Risen Son by Father giving new life to us in our Souls. Agreeing thankfully, we are dead tp our first born selfish self
So, settle this within ourselves, and begin to see Father doing the done work of Son in love to all, working through us each
Thanks
Yes, a love that is more logical than emotional, motivated by treating others as one wants to be treated--a decision and commitment.
 

homwardbound

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Yes, a love that is more logical than emotional, motivated by treating others as one wants to be treated--a decision and commitment.
Not logical to me, God's love is forever 1 Cor 13:13. It is not me figuring it out. It is me believing God, no matter what troubles happen or not, especially things I do not understand yet. This love of God permeates those that will not quit belief to God's love for them, at least in risen Son, where my new life by God in my decision to believe God as in Eph 1:13, seeing versus 6,7 Accepted, forgiven and sealed by God. It is done for us all in Son. All that is left is to believe God and see new in love to all.
No more alive in flesh nature (first birth) willingly dead to flesh nature, and trust to God that will not quit, not deny God as like in the book of Job. then deeper in Son Jesus going to that cross without a fight back in flesh and blood. who took away sin for us all (John 1:29)
That, to me is amazing to me and my response is thank you, learning, learned to be thankful content in all things, good or bad happening presently. Past is past so fast, as soon as any thing anyone does wrong, it is past in an nano-second and remains forgiven to me at least from God who loves us all, proven in Son going willingly to death first to save us in his risen life
This is meant for us to see this love and go and sin no more, learn to from God working that out through us at least me, this I see and am not proud over it, humble in thanksgiving and praise seeing all sin thanks to God Father and God Son as Won (One). For us to be new and stop the thinking it over where doubt is at and trips people up
 

GWH

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Not logical to me, God's love is forever 1 Cor 13:13. It is not me figuring it out. It is me believing God, no matter what troubles happen or not, especially things I do not understand yet. This love of God permeates those that will not quit belief to God's love for them, at least in risen Son, where my new life by God in my decision to believe God as in Eph 1:13, seeing versus 6,7 Accepted, forgiven and sealed by God. It is done for us all in Son. All that is left is to believe God and see new in love to all.
No more alive in flesh nature (first birth) willingly dead to flesh nature, and trust to God that will not quit, not deny God as like in the book of Job. then deeper in Son Jesus going to that cross without a fight back in flesh and blood. who took away sin for us all (John 1:29)
That, to me is amazing to me and my response is thank you, learning, learned to be thankful content in all things, good or bad happening presently. Past is past so fast, as soon as any thing anyone does wrong, it is past in an nano-second and remains forgiven to me at least from God who loves us all, proven in Son going willingly to death first to save us in his risen life
This is meant for us to see this love and go and sin no more, learn to from God working that out through us at least me, this I see and am not proud over it, humble in thanksgiving and praise seeing all sin thanks to God Father and God Son as Won (One). For us to be new and stop the thinking it over where doubt is at and trips people up
Re "Not logical to me": I find faith quite logical, and commitment--as in my marriage of 50+ years--a crucial component.
 

homwardbound

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Re "Not logical to me": I find faith quite logical, and commitment--as in my marriage of 50+ years--a crucial component.
The things of the flesh seen, is only temporal, the things we do not see are eternal
We have flesh works and look at me attitudes, I go to Church and do as I am suppose to do, I am not like others, as that heathen over there.
Really??????????????????????/
Luke 18:9-14 whom is justified and how? Not by works, which is logical to do
I believe God, I see new in trust to God by Son for me as I see many do see this too, at least are learning new in the gift given, is all God and none of self to me at least
When I was too busy working it out for me, I was a person better than others and had logical thinking going on as if God loved me more than others. Then when I saw others doing it better then me, I went after them to be better than them, How ridiculous to me now
Not well for my Soul. I saw what was in my way, my first born flesh, that doesn't please or cannot please God as in Romans 8:1-3 tells me.

I see you are working it all out, having doubts, that is okay, Father will teach you new if you willing to hear and trust, which I think you are and so let go to God
A physical, spiritual analogy for you.
Standing on the edge of a cliff. I look over and see it is far down to the bottom.
Scared, I see to not fall off. But I hear jump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I say, no way, I cannot jump. if I jump off I will die.
Yes, truth, yet if you trust me completely, I God will catch you in the palm of my hand and lead you new in love to all, not just a few as you have been taught to only love those that love you back, Now see Moses leaving Egypt and the fire that stopped the Egyptians, then the sea opening and closing on them, not those God freed. They, actually Moses in the Faith to God, as tiny as a mustard seed.
Today this Faith is offered in risen Son to us all to have and do as needed to do, not haphazardly ever, thank you
I Spiritually jumped off, it has been a bumpy ride, and Father has never left me behind, even though I have done that, in my logical thinking garbage to me now. This be maturing in the grace given me and all others that believe God also, will mature if ask sincerely without any other motive to know God's love for them too. thank you
Phil 3 is deeper then the Mississippi River To let go of all one has been taught to do from first birth forward to win Christ, is a wow, woe to me.
God just loves us all y'all fact that has not changed from day one in the fall of the first Adam
Start right there at the throne of grace and see this love of God for you too. then choose to stand in God or not and do self work to be safe if not yet believe God, I found out I need God's love, mercy and support that God gives free of charge to anyone that will not stop belief to this love and mercy of Son given them on that cross for them.
the new life is the resurrected Christ the one time death was for the propitiation of sins, committed before this event on that cross, during it happening and after fast forward to present day. He took it all for us all to stand in thankfulness and ask to be taught new, thank you Lord, I trust you to show me, thank you
 

GWH

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The things of the flesh seen, is only temporal, the things we do not see are eternal
We have flesh works and look at me attitudes, I go to Church and do as I am suppose to do, I am not like others, as that heathen over there.
Really??????????????????????/
Luke 18:9-14 whom is justified and how? Not by works, which is logical to do
I believe God, I see new in trust to God by Son for me as I see many do see this too, at least are learning new in the gift given, is all God and none of self to me at least
When I was too busy working it out for me, I was a person better than others and had logical thinking going on as if God loved me more than others. Then when I saw others doing it better then me, I went after them to be better than them, How ridiculous to me now
Not well for my Soul. I saw what was in my way, my first born flesh, that doesn't please or cannot please God as in Romans 8:1-3 tells me.

I see you are working it all out, having doubts, that is okay, Father will teach you new if you willing to hear and trust, which I think you are and so let go to God
A physical, spiritual analogy for you.
Standing on the edge of a cliff. I look over and see it is far down to the bottom.
Scared, I see to not fall off. But I hear jump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I say, no way, I cannot jump. if I jump off I will die.
Yes, truth, yet if you trust me completely, I God will catch you in the palm of my hand and lead you new in love to all, not just a few as you have been taught to only love those that love you back, Now see Moses leaving Egypt and the fire that stopped the Egyptians, then the sea opening and closing on them, not those God freed. They, actually Moses in the Faith to God, as tiny as a mustard seed.
Today this Faith is offered in risen Son to us all to have and do as needed to do, not haphazardly ever, thank you
I Spiritually jumped off, it has been a bumpy ride, and Father has never left me behind, even though I have done that, in my logical thinking garbage to me now. This be maturing in the grace given me and all others that believe God also, will mature if ask sincerely without any other motive to know God's love for them too. thank you
Phil 3 is deeper then the Mississippi River To let go of all one has been taught to do from first birth forward to win Christ, is a wow, woe to me.
God just loves us all y'all fact that has not changed from day one in the fall of the first Adam
Start right there at the throne of grace and see this love of God for you too. then choose to stand in God or not and do self work to be safe if not yet believe God, I found out I need God's love, mercy and support that God gives free of charge to anyone that will not stop belief to this love and mercy of Son given them on that cross for them.
the new life is the resurrected Christ the one time death was for the propitiation of sins, committed before this event on that cross, during it happening and after fast forward to present day. He took it all for us all to stand in thankfulness and ask to be taught new, thank you Lord, I trust you to show me, thank you
Yes, the eternal God is not seen except as incarnate in Christ.

Yes, sinners are justified by faith, not by works.

God is Logos, the source of loving logic and right reasoning.

Every soul should learn right reasoning, and doubting the devil is good.

The devil told Jesus to jump off a cliff.

God created the laws of gravity, which is the original and ongoing miracle.

God worked additional miracles for Moses in order to guide history toward Messiah,
who would work miracles to guide history toward the accomplishment of God's plan of salvation.

Yes, sufficient faith is offered to all sinners so they may choose to seek salvation.

Yes, God loves and wants everyone to be saved, but sadly some are illogical and ignore the One/Christ who is able to save.
 

homwardbound

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God will come through for us all. God does that for everyone to see and choose God, or self
I see to not ever put God to any foolish test ever, being always ready in season and out of season forever ready to give an account for the joy that remains in me, even whenever in troubles also as Paul was, when in jail, the praise to God continued in and through him
The Jail confounded in seeing him continue to praise God no matter what was happening.
They according to him came to believe also, seeing. this praise happening, while in jail. Who does that?
I see this now after a long walk off a short pier first also
Thank you for sharing, love it as we each grow in Father God's maturity lead
therefore
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

As I have stated, "Excuse me" now it is Woe is me
 

GWH

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God will come through for us all. God does that for everyone to see and choose God, or self
I see to not ever put God to any foolish test ever, being always ready in season and out of season forever ready to give an account for the joy that remains in me, even whenever in troubles also as Paul was, when in jail, the praise to God continued in and through him
The Jail confounded in seeing him continue to praise God no matter what was happening.
They according to him came to believe also, seeing. this praise happening, while in jail. Who does that?
I see this now after a long walk off a short pier first also
Thank you for sharing, love it as we each grow in Father God's maturity lead
therefore
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

As I have stated, "Excuse me" now it is Woe is me
Re "Excuse me" now is "Woe is me" : I like that; good logic!
 

bluejean_bible

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“All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spoke He not unto them.” Matthew 13:34

“This Parable spoke Jesus unto them; but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them.” John 10:6

Matthew 13:10 Then the disciples came to him and said, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 He replied,“You have been given the opportunity to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but they have not. 12 For whoever has will be given more, and will have an abundance. But whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 For this reason I speak to them in parables: Although they see they do not see, and although they hear they do not hear nor do they understand. 14 And concerning them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

You will listen carefully yet will never understand,
you will look closely yet will never comprehend.
15 For the heart of this people has become dull;
they are hard of hearing,
and they have shut their eyes,
so that they would not see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’
 

GWH

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“All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spoke He not unto them.” Matthew 13:34

“This Parable spoke Jesus unto them; but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them.” John 10:6

Matthew 13:10 Then the disciples came to him and said, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 He replied,“You have been given the opportunity to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but they have not. 12 For whoever has will be given more, and will have an abundance. But whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 For this reason I speak to them in parables: Although they see they do not see, and although they hear they do not hear nor do they understand. 14 And concerning them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

You will listen carefully yet will never understand,
you will look closely yet will never comprehend
.
15 For the heart of this people has become dull;
they are hard of hearing,
and they have shut their eyes,
so that they would not see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them
.’
Yes, the god of this age (I-dolatry) can blind the minds of believers regarding the didache
as well as of unbelievers regarding the Gospel. (2CR 4:4)
 

bluejean_bible

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Yes, the god of this age (I-dolatry) can blind the minds of believers regarding the didache
as well as of unbelievers regarding the Gospel. (2CR 4:4)
Sorry, I believe you misunderstood.

Those scriptures are the words of Jesus to his Disciples.

I hope that helps. :)
 
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Indeed He does, I am grappling with some soteriology that I have not known most of my life. I am going to ponder it in my heart. I am glad that Our Lord is not like Edward's "Sinners in the hands of an Angry God." No indeed, For "God is slow to anger." (Psalms 145:8-9)
 

GWH

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Sorry, I believe you misunderstood.

Those scriptures are the words of Jesus to his Disciples.

I hope that helps. :)
Yes, and I hope I helped by noting/adding the words of Paul to all disciples of Christ.
 

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If God wants everybody to be saved, then everybody would be saved
Well what did He say? For God so loved the world. Seems man is all over this world and He gave His only son that who so ever believes will not die but have ever lasting life. Christ didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Aagin the "world" lets keep going

1st Tim "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. " All is all and that is all all means.

Lets just look at one of many in the OT "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” says the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn [away] from his [malevolent] acts and live? "

Seems to me He really loves this world that He left heaven became His creation....who since man was made who loves you like Him..who would in your worst moments still take all that on Himself and die for you.