Do you believe John 6 is about the last supper?

If not, why not?
John chapter 6:
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

To me this is clearly foreshadowing the Lord's supper, especially when compared with:

1 Cor 10:16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

In John 6, Jesus isn't talking about the last supper exactly. We partake of His flesh and blood when we believe in Him. The Lord's supper reminds us of His sacrifice while we await His appearing; but v. 54 says: "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." Simply eating the Lord's supper can't give us eternal life; only faith in God's grace can. I know some religions claim the "eucharist" can add grace to a person's account, but it doesn't. Christ's one-time sacrifice for all is sufficient.

No. We are saved by grace through faith. It is possible to be a Christian and not partake of the Lord's supper. It is possible to partake and be on the road to hell. The Lord's supper is in remembrance of, and a proclamation of, the death of the Lord Jesus as the sacrifice for the sin of the world.

I didnt even ask about anything relating to salvation. I was asking why would people say this ISNT about the last supper. When its so clearly there.

Why doesnt Jesus ever say drinking and eating means believing in John 6? Or anywhere? Seems strange. I have a feeling anyone reading this passage would believe its a foreshadowing of the Lord's supper, especially with Paul confirming that in 1 Cor 10:16.

The bread and wine are symbols of the work of Christ for our behalf. So, in a way, yes, this passage references the Lord’s Supper. But just to be clear, the bread and wine aren’t magical: alone, they confer no grace to the taker. Eating the bread and drinking the wine also serve as a witness to our inclusion in Christ: by this, we declare we are one with Him.

This is why we call the eating and drinking “communion”: it declares our inclusion into the Body of Christ.

I wrote this some time ago about communion:

Fellowship (Greek = koinonia) is typically a noun. Only once is it used as a verb and then only in a phrase.

The church often uses the word as a verb. “I will fellowship with him” or “Let’s get together and fellowship”.

Once, because he thought that it was the way to start meaningful speeches, a Vice President said to a room full of astronauts “My fellow astronauts…”. Dan Quayle was never an astronaut. On that quality -being an astronaut-he had no fellowship with his audience.

Fellowship specifically denotes one’s shared origin or character with another.

So, it was a big deal when Paul revealed that “..truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.” Paul was not simply saying that we communicate with or have correspondence with God and Christ BUT, that our origin and character are of the same nature as the Father and the Son: we share a nature with the living God!

When Paul rhetorically inquired about what fellowship a believer had with unbelievers and evil men, he was not asking about how we ministered to them or had a sandwich with them or how we worked with them. He was illuminating the fact that we do not share their character or origin. Their wisdom is not our wisdom. His admonishment was to remain unconnected to their ways and their traditions.

The Living God has no fellowship with evil and, truly, our fellowship is with Him

While I agree that there is no grace imparted in the elements of communion, do you not find grace imparted spiritually from participating...1 Corinthians 10:16?

Oh sure.

Very well could be a form of his last supper ritual for the five thousand whom he fed at the beginning of the chapter. And especially later as he explained his being the bread of life.

Great question.

No. Because if it were about the communion table then one cannot be born again until one partakes of their first bread and wine commemoration.

6:53
Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them (εἶπεν οὖν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς) , Verily, verily, I am saying unto you (Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν), Except ye ate (ἐὰν μὴ φάγητε) the flesh of the Son of man ( τὴν σάρκα τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου), and drank his blood (καὶ πίητε αὐτοῦ τὸ αἷμα), you do not have life in you (οὐκ ἔχετε ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς).

6:54
Jhn 6:54 The one eating my flesh (ὁ τρώγων μου τὴν σάρκα), and drinking my blood (καὶ πίνων μου τὸ αἷμα), has aeonous life (ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον); and I will raise him up (καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν) at the last day (τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ).

So, if Jesus is referring to the communion table here, even if you hear the gospel, believe it and put your trust in Jesus as Lord and Saviour, and confess Him your Lord, you do not have life, the Holy Spirit, until you participate in communion. Also, you would only have life while eating and drinking the communion and once you stop eating and drinking you do not qualify as having aeonous life any more.

It is metaphorical for accepting the word of God (eating the bread) and drawing upon the Holy Spirit's life (drinking the blood: the life is in the blood). While doing these two things one can know one has aeonous life.

Yes, you asked why someone wouldn't believe it's about the Lord's supper. I don't believe it's about the Lord's supper because in this passage Jesus is talking about salvation, and the Lord's supper doesn't save us. But I perceive your mind is made up and I don't care to argue about it. Adios.

My logic is simple. Jesus said that anyone who eats the bread (His body) lives forever. So anyone who takes the bread at a communion lives forever? I don't think so. I've never considered John 6 to foreshadow the last supper. I've never heard that preached either.

Eternal life is not something you have yet. The Bible talks of the hope of eternal life, and in the resurrection you actually have it.

There is but a single verse in John's epistles that is used by people to "prove" they have it now. And the verse is correct, if understood in light of the total counsel of Scripture.

Eternal life, according to the Bible is IN CHRIST. So if you are in Christ, you have eternal life, if you are not in Christ, you do not have eternal life. Thats why the argument of "its eternal life you cant lose it" is so bad. You will ACTUALLY get the eternal life when you are resurrected, thats when you can no longer die.

I have no issue with the teaching that eating and drinking means believing. I do have an issue with the interpretation because it doesn't seem to be anywhere in the Bible? Its just something you guys say and expect everyone to believe it due to your theological presuppositions.

But show me the verse where believing is equated to drinking or eating and I will gladly join you, no problem. I have no horse in this race. Im not a catholic or a protestant.

How do you understand John 17:3?

That when you know Father, the only true God and Jesus whom He has sent you have eternal life. The verse says that knowing God & Jesus IS eternal life.

But once again, is that all there is to eternal life? Of course not, we know we also will get immortal bodies, right?

The bible says things like "whoever hates his brother is a murderer and has no eternal life in him" Does that mean if you hate your brother you "were never saved" or "didnt have eternal life ever"? Does it mean that you had eternal life and then lost it? Or does it simply mean when taking all of the new testament into account: That the one who is living in hatred of his brother does not have eternal life at that moment, he is not ABIDING in the Son (who is eternal life)
If that said person STOPS hating his brother, after reading the verse, and takes the rebuke to heart, He is reconciled to God through Jesus and once again is in "eternal life" which will be manifested physically in the resurrection

1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

My point in posing the question was to suggest that what we associate as accompanying eternal life is not the essence of eternal life. Eternal life is knowing God. Salvation, sanctification, and glorification are stages in this new life, and not the substance of eternal life. So I believe that those who have truly been saved already possess eternal life, and to an ever increasing degree.

Here's the thing about the last supper few if any teach upon and the reasons why.
I expressed this in another thread and it seems that it might help here for some insight.
All except Jesus in that room did not know other than what was written in the Torah what the significance and connection it had to Jesus.
Jesus is actually describing the food and drink that was placed before them and how it represented what was to come.
The Torah strictly forbid the eating of human flesh and drinking blood.
This was the last supper and wine Jesus would have. Supper =feast day. Until his return
Remember me when you eat and drink was Jesus pointing to the other feast days that are celebrated throughout the year.
Also it is something we all do daily. But each feast day has a connection to our Lord Jesus..

"We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death." 1 John 3:14

"When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses......." Colossians 2:13

"But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness." Romans 8:10

The thing about eternal life is that it is eternal. God included me in Christ when I believed (Ephesians 1:13). I am a new creation in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17).

If you are not alive now then you are still dead in trespass and sin. I died with Christ 2,000 years ago in God's reckoning. I rose together with Christ on the same basis. In order for me to die, I would have to go back in time and stop Jesus from riding from the dead. Even if I could, I would not.

“Give us this day our daily bread “

Amen . Indeed he’s also referring to the law and foreshadow of it

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven;

but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:32‬ ‭

Jesus is referring to this from the law

“Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭


It’s crazy because they complained for lack of food then he gave them bread and they complained because it wasn’t meat like they had in Egypt then he gave them quail and they complained eventually he sent deadly vipers among them to kill them and they repented and then Jesus sacrifice was the answer again when we see the foreshadow of the cross

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

agter he sent the snakes and they tested getting bitten he made Moses raise up a snake on a pole and everyone who looked at the pole , lived and didn’t die even though they were bitten by deadly snakes

jesus sacrifice is about life for those who would be dead without him . His sacrifice is really important , communion is just basic imperative doctrine paul taught it clearly and why we do it , note the final point he made regarding how it tangibly impacted them

“and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:24-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Really Jesus death and resurrection is centralized in all doctrine just like the lords supper or baptism