Could the 2nd trumpet be a nuclear test in 1946?

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Hakawaka said:
1. Yeah I believe a global phenomen would be the only way to see this being fulfilled.

2. Why would the Bible talk about WWI, when nothing happened following it?

3. Show me that the 42 months take place between the sixth and seventh trumpet. If it says that somewhere I will believe it no doubt. I think its vital for us all to know this.
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For #3, the sixth trumpet is in Rev. 9:13. The 42 months are in Rev. 11:2-3. Whatever happened in Rev. 11:1-13 may be considered part of the second woe (Rev. 11:14). The seventh trumpet is in Rev. 11:15.

After the sixth trumpet is blown, Rev. 10 tells us about an angel between the land and the sea, who says there will be no more delay (Rev. 10:6). I will link this with the beginning of the 42 months in Rev. 13:5 as follows:

Rev. 13 first describes a beast from the sea, followed by a beast from the land. I think the angel in Rev. 10 announces the removal of the restraint (2 Thess. 2:7) and allows the powers of evil to move from the sea to the land. The beast from the sea existed in some form before the 42 months, but now has authority over the world for 42 months (Rev. 13:5). The beast from the land also makes the image of the beast (Rev. 13:15) also known as the abomination of desolation in the middle of the seventieth seven (Dan. 9:27; 12:11).
 
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GaryA said:
Let me suggest to you that - if it was not cast into the sea - after being identifiable "as it were a great mountain burning with fire" - it does not match the prophecy.

All of the details must match.


No. And, like someone else mentioned - what about the 1st trumpet?
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Thanks for taking the time to critique this. We think we agree that the mountain was above the sea, but I guess it wasn't "cast into the sea". I prefer literal fulfillments in detail, but I'll leave open the possibility of attributing some differences in detail to the use of symbolic imagery.
 
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greenonions said:
Good point. A better way to phrase it is that something announced by a trumpet should be big news.
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Well, they are important in some way but I am not sure all are the same level of event, and not sure everyone in the world can even hear the trumpets. They seem to be sounded in heaven so it may be no one on Earth can even hear them.
 
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Hakawaka said:
3. Show me that the 42 months take place between the sixth and seventh trumpet. If it says that somewhere I will believe it no doubt. I think its vital for us all to know this.
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Christ said he would immediately return when the trib was over and he returns at the 7th trump sop in Rev 11, everything before the 7th trump is part of the 42 months of trib, the 6th trump. 5's are often used in relation to evil etc, so naturally the worst time of tribulation the church faces would be in the 6th of the trumps.
 
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posthuman said:
the primary operation of a boat is to float.

a boat that is sunk is destroyed.
a boat that is not sunk, is not destroyed.
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I still think there are exceptions to the rule, but let's suppose your understanding of "destroyed" is the best interpretation. We still need to interpret Rev. 8:9 based on the Greek word that "destroyed" is translated from, and its usage in the New Testament.

διεφθαρησαν (transliterated as diephtharEsan)

Strong's definition for G1311: to rot thoroughly, i.e. (by implication) to ruin (passively, decay utterly, figuratively, pervert):—corrupt, destroy, perish.

It appears in 5 verses in the New Testament:

Luke 12:33 KJV Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

2 Corinthians 4:16 KJV For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

1 Timothy 6:5 KJV Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Revelation 8:9 KJV And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Yes, this word can mean "destroy", but it also has a range of meaning that includes moths corrupting in Luke 12:33 (e.g. making holes in clothing). So I think a ship that is sunk fits this word, but a ship that is damaged may also be described using this word.
 
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greenonions said:
I still think there are exceptions to the rule, but let's suppose your understanding of "destroyed" is the best interpretation. We still need to interpret Rev. 8:9 based on the Greek word that "destroyed" is translated from, and its usage in the New Testament.

διεφθαρησαν (transliterated as diephtharEsan)

Strong's definition for G1311: to rot thoroughly, i.e. (by implication) to ruin (passively, decay utterly, figuratively, pervert):—corrupt, destroy, perish.

It appears in 5 verses in the New Testament:

Luke 12:33 KJV Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

2 Corinthians 4:16 KJV For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

1 Timothy 6:5 KJV Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Revelation 8:9 KJV And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Yes, this word can mean "destroy", but it also has a range of meaning that includes moths corrupting in Luke 12:33 (e.g. making holes in clothing). So I think a ship that is sunk fits this word, but a ship that is damaged may also be described using this word.
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100% of all boats on earth suffer some amount of decay every day.
 
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greenonions said:
I still think there are exceptions to the rule, but let's suppose your understanding of "destroyed" is the best interpretation. We still need to interpret Rev. 8:9 based on the Greek word that "destroyed" is translated from, and its usage in the New Testament.

διεφθαρησαν (transliterated as diephtharEsan)

Strong's definition for G1311: to rot thoroughly, i.e. (by implication) to ruin (passively, decay utterly, figuratively, pervert):—corrupt, destroy, perish.

It appears in 5 verses in the New Testament:

Luke 12:33 KJV Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

2 Corinthians 4:16 KJV For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

1 Timothy 6:5 KJV Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Revelation 8:9 KJV And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Yes, this word can mean "destroy", but it also has a range of meaning that includes moths corrupting in Luke 12:33 (e.g. making holes in clothing). So I think a ship that is sunk fits this word, but a ship that is damaged may also be described using this word.
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every use of it referring to a physical object means that object is rendered completely inoperable and ruined.

moths utterly devour cloth.
the body dies and decays to dust.
nations are completely erased from existence.

you really have no argument.
destroyed boats are sunken boats.
boats that still float are not destroyed boats.
 
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