Revelation 16:20 & Revelation 6:14 - Islands shaken twice?
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So to be clear you’re saying this never happened ? Because of Peter explaining what David wrote wasnt about him but Christ ?
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
Or you are saying this isn’t a prophecy specifically to israel of a mass resurrection when he came that was fulfilled ?
“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
Ezekiel 37:12-13 KJV
Watch how this works
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
Matthew 11:13 KJV
Prophecy beforehand
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
The fulfillment , the gospel
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us….
Matthew 1:21-25
A prophecy
“The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.”
Isaiah 61:1-3 KJV
fulfillment when Jesus came As promised
“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
Luke 4:17-19, 21 KJV
prophecy
“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
Isaiah 53:4-6, 10-11 KJV
Of course we all know jesus fulfilled this in the gospel when he came as promised beforehand. And after it’s further revealed what’s been done no longer in form of a prophecy but it’s been fulfilled and is being taught as doctrine to the church
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25 KJV
This is the same thing, as the rest of the Bible it’s a prophecy spoken to and about the people of present covenant before Christ came to fulfill it and give the new covenant a prophecy about and to Israel
“Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
Ezekiel 37:11-13 KJV
and fulfillment when he came as promised as ot prophecy is designed
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
it’s how the Bible is designed . Prophecy and fulfillment when Jesus came then he and the apostles foretold what’s ahead israel isn’t going to be restored on this earth read what would happen if they broke thier covenant which they did it should clear up the issue .
Finally when you study revelation things like this aren’t literal Measures of time to be calculated
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Revelation 17:12 KJV
that’s not literal they won’t have power for a literal hour with a literal
Beast it represents a very short unknown time period.
in the same way the thousand years aren’t literal they represent a very long unknown period of time between Jesus first coming when he bore sin and his second coming when he will resurrect the dead and being salvation to those who believed not those of course who were already raised up and are in heaven though the second resurrection doesn’t apply to them they’re already in the kingdom with Jesus.
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12
notice while that group is celebrating in heaven with Jesus just a little while after he’s taken up what’s going on with the ones on earth who aren’t yet dead and resurrected but they are alive on earth and they believe and obey god
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17
What Peter says about David’s prophecy not being about himself has no bearing really in my opinion there’s clearly a large group of redeemed people in heaven celebrating salvation and being redeemed , while another believing group wars with Satan on earth after Jesus is taken up in revelation 12
the riegn with Christ in his kingdom is ongoing now it just not going to be on earth until this happens
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, ( that’s where they were riegn if with Jesus before this in heaven in his kingdom ) prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
christ and his people are alive and well after 70 ad everything became fulfilled including the abomination of desolation which destroyed and scattered Israel into the world carrying the gospel which was the final curse of rhe death of covenant breaking
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
Or you are saying this isn’t a prophecy specifically to israel of a mass resurrection when he came that was fulfilled ?
“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
Ezekiel 37:12-13 KJV
Watch how this works
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
Matthew 11:13 KJV
Prophecy beforehand
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
The fulfillment , the gospel
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us….
Matthew 1:21-25
A prophecy
“The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.”
Isaiah 61:1-3 KJV
fulfillment when Jesus came As promised
“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
Luke 4:17-19, 21 KJV
prophecy
“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
Isaiah 53:4-6, 10-11 KJV
Of course we all know jesus fulfilled this in the gospel when he came as promised beforehand. And after it’s further revealed what’s been done no longer in form of a prophecy but it’s been fulfilled and is being taught as doctrine to the church
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25 KJV
This is the same thing, as the rest of the Bible it’s a prophecy spoken to and about the people of present covenant before Christ came to fulfill it and give the new covenant a prophecy about and to Israel
“Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,”
Ezekiel 37:11-13 KJV
and fulfillment when he came as promised as ot prophecy is designed
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
it’s how the Bible is designed . Prophecy and fulfillment when Jesus came then he and the apostles foretold what’s ahead israel isn’t going to be restored on this earth read what would happen if they broke thier covenant which they did it should clear up the issue .
Finally when you study revelation things like this aren’t literal Measures of time to be calculated
“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Revelation 17:12 KJV
that’s not literal they won’t have power for a literal hour with a literal
Beast it represents a very short unknown time period.
in the same way the thousand years aren’t literal they represent a very long unknown period of time between Jesus first coming when he bore sin and his second coming when he will resurrect the dead and being salvation to those who believed not those of course who were already raised up and are in heaven though the second resurrection doesn’t apply to them they’re already in the kingdom with Jesus.
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12
notice while that group is celebrating in heaven with Jesus just a little while after he’s taken up what’s going on with the ones on earth who aren’t yet dead and resurrected but they are alive on earth and they believe and obey god
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17
What Peter says about David’s prophecy not being about himself has no bearing really in my opinion there’s clearly a large group of redeemed people in heaven celebrating salvation and being redeemed , while another believing group wars with Satan on earth after Jesus is taken up in revelation 12
the riegn with Christ in his kingdom is ongoing now it just not going to be on earth until this happens
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, ( that’s where they were riegn if with Jesus before this in heaven in his kingdom ) prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
christ and his people are alive and well after 70 ad everything became fulfilled including the abomination of desolation which destroyed and scattered Israel into the world carrying the gospel which was the final curse of rhe death of covenant breaking
I doubt it. Jesus brings the kingdom with Him.
The amillennialist explanation of Revelation 20 is so unnatural in its reading of the text that no one could possibly get that interpretation by just reading it.
What about the first resurrection, people who were SLAIN were brought to life and reigned for the thousand years (church age in your view)
Now lets think about this: I die today, Jesus returns tomorrow, I dont reign for a thousand years (church age), i reign for one day. The apostles have been reigning alot longer than anyone.
This system just makes no sense, especially verse5 in revelation 20 which completely refutes this view where it says: THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT, until the thousand years has ended. So that would be the unbelievers, right? If you say the first resurrection of the believers is not a physical one, but their soul coming to life and going to heaven to rule and reign, that would mean that after the thousand years the UNSAVED are also "spiritually resurrected".
But let me guess, the second resurrection includes everyone cause thats the bodily resurrection. If you say this, you are backed into another corner, because this once again means even unbelievers will eventually be getting that spiritual resurrection.
You cant have it both ways, either both resurrections are physical, or spiritual. Why? Because it says in verse 5 that the REST OF THE DEAD (unbelievers, those not in Christ) lived not UNTIL the 1000 years.
You cant have it both ways.
The amillennialist explanation of Revelation 20 is so unnatural in its reading of the text that no one could possibly get that interpretation by just reading it.
What about the first resurrection, people who were SLAIN were brought to life and reigned for the thousand years (church age in your view)
Now lets think about this: I die today, Jesus returns tomorrow, I dont reign for a thousand years (church age), i reign for one day. The apostles have been reigning alot longer than anyone.
This system just makes no sense, especially verse5 in revelation 20 which completely refutes this view where it says: THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT, until the thousand years has ended. So that would be the unbelievers, right? If you say the first resurrection of the believers is not a physical one, but their soul coming to life and going to heaven to rule and reign, that would mean that after the thousand years the UNSAVED are also "spiritually resurrected".
But let me guess, the second resurrection includes everyone cause thats the bodily resurrection. If you say this, you are backed into another corner, because this once again means even unbelievers will eventually be getting that spiritual resurrection.
You cant have it both ways, either both resurrections are physical, or spiritual. Why? Because it says in verse 5 that the REST OF THE DEAD (unbelievers, those not in Christ) lived not UNTIL the 1000 years.
You cant have it both ways.
“I doubt it. Jesus brings the kingdom with Him. “
yeah from heaven right where these people are who have already been redeemed from the earth after Jesus is taken to his throne
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
notice now the narrative shifts to Satan and his beast warring against the believers of Jesus who carry his testimony ? While those in heaven are celebrating in the kingdom with Jesus ….
You’ll see then it shifts to this war on earth not on heaven anymore but in earth
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
then Of course the beast rises in the dragons image and he gives him his authority and the beast then ears against the saints and overcomes them for a time
“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
Revelation 13:7-9 KJV
But in heaven
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”
Revelation 14:1, 4-5
Remembering sion is in heaven
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24
it seems to me like there are many people who once lived on earth that are. NOw in heavens kingdom and they couldn’t get there unless they were raised up in the spirit already
note that from Hebrews there is described a lot in revelation we see the people and angels before the throne of the lord celebrating and shouting victory
The earth we know is going to be destroyed when Jesus returns then he’ll restore creation and bring his kingdom to earth
“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:3-4, 7, 10, 12-13 KJV
so like your saying the kingdom won’t be on earth till he brings it but there are many people in the kingdom already
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
This must be the restoration of all things Peter spoke of in his early sermons
“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:18-21
heaven will receive Jesus until the restoration when he returns but
“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:14 KJV
“And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.”
Revelation 19:14-16 KJV
I’m assuming at least partly those armies will be of the tribes of ancient Israel.
There’s a better promised land than portions of this cursed earth
yeah from heaven right where these people are who have already been redeemed from the earth after Jesus is taken to his throne
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
notice now the narrative shifts to Satan and his beast warring against the believers of Jesus who carry his testimony ? While those in heaven are celebrating in the kingdom with Jesus ….
You’ll see then it shifts to this war on earth not on heaven anymore but in earth
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
then Of course the beast rises in the dragons image and he gives him his authority and the beast then ears against the saints and overcomes them for a time
“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
Revelation 13:7-9 KJV
But in heaven
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”
Revelation 14:1, 4-5
Remembering sion is in heaven
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24
it seems to me like there are many people who once lived on earth that are. NOw in heavens kingdom and they couldn’t get there unless they were raised up in the spirit already
note that from Hebrews there is described a lot in revelation we see the people and angels before the throne of the lord celebrating and shouting victory
The earth we know is going to be destroyed when Jesus returns then he’ll restore creation and bring his kingdom to earth
“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:3-4, 7, 10, 12-13 KJV
so like your saying the kingdom won’t be on earth till he brings it but there are many people in the kingdom already
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
This must be the restoration of all things Peter spoke of in his early sermons
“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:18-21
heaven will receive Jesus until the restoration when he returns but
“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:14 KJV
“And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.”
Revelation 19:14-16 KJV
I’m assuming at least partly those armies will be of the tribes of ancient Israel.
There’s a better promised land than portions of this cursed earth
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“What about the first resurrection, people who were SLAIN were brought to life and reigned for the thousand years (church age in your view)”
i believe they are reigning now in the kingdom keep in mind thisnis chapter 12 just after the “ son of man is born and taken up to Gods throne where he would rule with an iron rod “ and then there’s a short war fought in heaven between Satan and the angels after Satan loses and is cast out of heaven in heaven this happens
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. ( my view is there are the people of the first resurrection who appear in the kingdom just after Christ is taken up into heaven )
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
remember jesus would come to earth twice once he would bear sin and fulfill the old covenant in tbat covenant he promised the faithful a resurrection
“Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.”
Ezekiel 37:11-12 KJV
When he came and died and rose after that this happened to fulfill it
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
In my view there are two testaments , teo promised resurrections one for each terrwment two appearances of Jesus at the end of each covenant to fulfill them ect
The first resurrection in my view is Christs generetion and the saints beforehand that he promised resurrection when he came just as he’s promised Christian’s of all peoples a resurrection when he comes in our covenant
a they aren’t part of the new covenant is why the second death has no power over them they already died and were raised they are the firstfruits
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:18
“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.”
1 Corinthians 15:20
“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order:
1 Christ, the firstfruits; ( first resurrection )
2 afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”( last resurrection )
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
To me it’s pretty apparent the thousand years is representing a very long time period just like when it says “ they receive power for one hour with the beast “ it’s representing a very short period of time. I’m not at all waiting for a thousand year riegn in this earth for anyone but I believe many saints and many redeemed people are already reigning with Jesus in his kingdom and have been for a very long time.
its just my view of the book everyone has different ways of seeing revelation though I’m not trying to argue you or say your wrong . Jesus kingdom is in heaven and many people are already there with him of the ot and first generation is my view
the rest of us have to wait for Jesus to come back to be raised up because he’s the life each time he comes there’s a resurrection of his people one then and one in the end
i believe they are reigning now in the kingdom keep in mind thisnis chapter 12 just after the “ son of man is born and taken up to Gods throne where he would rule with an iron rod “ and then there’s a short war fought in heaven between Satan and the angels after Satan loses and is cast out of heaven in heaven this happens
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. ( my view is there are the people of the first resurrection who appear in the kingdom just after Christ is taken up into heaven )
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
remember jesus would come to earth twice once he would bear sin and fulfill the old covenant in tbat covenant he promised the faithful a resurrection
“Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.”
Ezekiel 37:11-12 KJV
When he came and died and rose after that this happened to fulfill it
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
In my view there are two testaments , teo promised resurrections one for each terrwment two appearances of Jesus at the end of each covenant to fulfill them ect
The first resurrection in my view is Christs generetion and the saints beforehand that he promised resurrection when he came just as he’s promised Christian’s of all peoples a resurrection when he comes in our covenant
a they aren’t part of the new covenant is why the second death has no power over them they already died and were raised they are the firstfruits
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:18
“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.”
1 Corinthians 15:20
“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order:
1 Christ, the firstfruits; ( first resurrection )
2 afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”( last resurrection )
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
To me it’s pretty apparent the thousand years is representing a very long time period just like when it says “ they receive power for one hour with the beast “ it’s representing a very short period of time. I’m not at all waiting for a thousand year riegn in this earth for anyone but I believe many saints and many redeemed people are already reigning with Jesus in his kingdom and have been for a very long time.
its just my view of the book everyone has different ways of seeing revelation though I’m not trying to argue you or say your wrong . Jesus kingdom is in heaven and many people are already there with him of the ot and first generation is my view
the rest of us have to wait for Jesus to come back to be raised up because he’s the life each time he comes there’s a resurrection of his people one then and one in the end
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Ah I see. I used to believe Revelation 12 was about Mary running into the wilderness during the persecution of Herod as well, and that the son snatched to God's throne was Jesus.
I now believe this is probably mostly future, because it speaks about people overcoming by the blood of the lamb, loving not their lives unto death and the kingdom of our God coming. When we compare this to Revelation 11:15 the last trumpet we can clearly see this is what is being spoken of. I believe its cosmic warfare that is happening during the trumpets and some of it spills down to earth with effects that we read about in the Bible. When Satan is thrown down, and 3rd of the stars, one of the stars opens up the Abyss in the 5th trumpet when all sorts of demonic creatures enter in, and their king is called Abaddon or in the greek Apollyon.
But you are correct, nothing heretical about your view, or mine. These are just interpretations and both fit quite well. Have a good day brother. I will look into what you said more, who knows maybe I will change my mind.
Could you tell me this though: Doesnt the language in Rev 20:4 sound like they ALL resurrect at once? Not a one dies here, another dies there type of deal, but they all resurrect at once and reign the 1000 years.
I now believe this is probably mostly future, because it speaks about people overcoming by the blood of the lamb, loving not their lives unto death and the kingdom of our God coming. When we compare this to Revelation 11:15 the last trumpet we can clearly see this is what is being spoken of. I believe its cosmic warfare that is happening during the trumpets and some of it spills down to earth with effects that we read about in the Bible. When Satan is thrown down, and 3rd of the stars, one of the stars opens up the Abyss in the 5th trumpet when all sorts of demonic creatures enter in, and their king is called Abaddon or in the greek Apollyon.
But you are correct, nothing heretical about your view, or mine. These are just interpretations and both fit quite well. Have a good day brother. I will look into what you said more, who knows maybe I will change my mind.
Could you tell me this though: Doesnt the language in Rev 20:4 sound like they ALL resurrect at once? Not a one dies here, another dies there type of deal, but they all resurrect at once and reign the 1000 years.
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6th and 7th seal
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.( note this )
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
Revelation 6:12-17 KJV
“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”
Revelation 8:1 KJV
7th trumpet note how not relates to the seals
“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
Revelation 11:15, 18-19
7th vial nite again how it relates to the first two examples
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. ( the temple that was opened at the seventh trumpet now the short silence is broken )
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, ( note this ) so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.”
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”
Revelation 16:1, 12-18, 20 21 KJV
Unsealed in heaven , then sounded out to all creation and then poured out upon the earth.
revelation is like daniels book he’s not seeing linear timeline of events but he’s seeing several visions of the same subject matter from differing perspectives
note how the seals , trumpets and vials interact with each other they have different purposes represent different aspect of the same things
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.( note this )
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
Revelation 6:12-17 KJV
“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”
Revelation 8:1 KJV
7th trumpet note how not relates to the seals
“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
Revelation 11:15, 18-19
7th vial nite again how it relates to the first two examples
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. ( the temple that was opened at the seventh trumpet now the short silence is broken )
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, ( note this ) so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.”
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”
Revelation 16:1, 12-18, 20 21 KJV
Unsealed in heaven , then sounded out to all creation and then poured out upon the earth.
revelation is like daniels book he’s not seeing linear timeline of events but he’s seeing several visions of the same subject matter from differing perspectives
note how the seals , trumpets and vials interact with each other they have different purposes represent different aspect of the same things
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“”Ah I see. I used to believe Revelation 12 was about Mary running into the wilderness during the persecution of Herod as well, and that the son snatched to God's throne was Jesus.”
not at all what I think or have thought the woman with the sun clothing her and the moon present and a crown of twelve stars that was a expecting a man child who will rule with a rod of iron ….is israel represented by Jerusalem Gods chosen city in the ot. Who expected the birth of Jesus the messiah who would rule with a rod of iron all nations based on the promises in the ot like this one
“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
Psalm 2:6-12 KJV
Or this one
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
The prophets promised israel for many generations God would cause a male child to be born of a virgin, who would live without sin them suffer and die for the sins of the people . Rise up from death and ascend to the t but be at Gods right hand and rule all nations from the right hand of God and pour out his spirit upon all who believe the gospel .
“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool…… The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
The Lord at thy right hand Shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.”
Psalm 110:1, 4-5
“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
So will not we go back from thee: Quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, Cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.”
Psalm 80:17-19
Jacob his wife and twelve sons like in Joseph’s dream are represented by the sin moon and twelve stars clothing and adorning the woman whomis Jerusalem expecting the messiahs arrival through its certain gate riding a donkey ect
israels whole Hope was about the messiah promised wo thoroughly in tbe ot who would rule all nations from a gods throne .
that’s what your seeing here
“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Revelation 12:1-2, 5 KJV
Isreal was expecting the messiah birth who would rule all nations from the throne of God in heaven but eventually the same one would return from heaven and we see that part here the same man born in earth and then taken up to Gods throne returns later near the end
“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.”
Revelation 19:11-16
What we’re seeing there subject matter wise is this
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
just as he went up he will return we are seeing in revelation a vision of things established in the Bible already in prophecy ect . It’s revealing a narrative of what the Bible is all about and how it went wrong and how it’s going to end and be restored but nothing is literal it’s all based upon the prophets and apostles writings and Jesus words
Its really a fascinating and enlightening book when we start looking at it through Old Testament prophecy about when the messiah would come and Israel’s punishment for breaking thier covenent ect everything we see in the vision happening is foretold in ot prophecy
not at all what I think or have thought the woman with the sun clothing her and the moon present and a crown of twelve stars that was a expecting a man child who will rule with a rod of iron ….is israel represented by Jerusalem Gods chosen city in the ot. Who expected the birth of Jesus the messiah who would rule with a rod of iron all nations based on the promises in the ot like this one
“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
Psalm 2:6-12 KJV
Or this one
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
The prophets promised israel for many generations God would cause a male child to be born of a virgin, who would live without sin them suffer and die for the sins of the people . Rise up from death and ascend to the t but be at Gods right hand and rule all nations from the right hand of God and pour out his spirit upon all who believe the gospel .
“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool…… The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
The Lord at thy right hand Shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.”
Psalm 110:1, 4-5
“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
So will not we go back from thee: Quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, Cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.”
Psalm 80:17-19
Jacob his wife and twelve sons like in Joseph’s dream are represented by the sin moon and twelve stars clothing and adorning the woman whomis Jerusalem expecting the messiahs arrival through its certain gate riding a donkey ect
israels whole Hope was about the messiah promised wo thoroughly in tbe ot who would rule all nations from a gods throne .
that’s what your seeing here
“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Revelation 12:1-2, 5 KJV
Isreal was expecting the messiah birth who would rule all nations from the throne of God in heaven but eventually the same one would return from heaven and we see that part here the same man born in earth and then taken up to Gods throne returns later near the end
“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.”
Revelation 19:11-16
What we’re seeing there subject matter wise is this
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
just as he went up he will return we are seeing in revelation a vision of things established in the Bible already in prophecy ect . It’s revealing a narrative of what the Bible is all about and how it went wrong and how it’s going to end and be restored but nothing is literal it’s all based upon the prophets and apostles writings and Jesus words
Its really a fascinating and enlightening book when we start looking at it through Old Testament prophecy about when the messiah would come and Israel’s punishment for breaking thier covenent ect everything we see in the vision happening is foretold in ot prophecy
Consider:
The woman represents Israel rather than Mary. The man child is Jesus.
The thousand two hundred and threescore days are literal days and took place during the siege of Jerusalem circa 70 A.D.
Revelation 12:11 is referring to the persecution of the true Christians during the Dark Ages.
The phrase 'a time, and times, and half a time' in Revelation 12:14 is referring to the 1260 years from 538-1798. The phrase 'forty and two months' in Revelation 13:5 is referring to this same 1260 years.
Revelation 11:15 is centered around the time of the Second Coming of Christ (His appearance).
The woman represents Israel rather than Mary. The man child is Jesus.
The thousand two hundred and threescore days are literal days and took place during the siege of Jerusalem circa 70 A.D.
Revelation 12:11 is referring to the persecution of the true Christians during the Dark Ages.
The phrase 'a time, and times, and half a time' in Revelation 12:14 is referring to the 1260 years from 538-1798. The phrase 'forty and two months' in Revelation 13:5 is referring to this same 1260 years.
Revelation 11:15 is centered around the time of the Second Coming of Christ (His appearance).