Could the 2nd trumpet be a nuclear test in 1946?

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

The fiery condensation cloud could possibly be described as a mountain burning with fire in the sea.

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Revelation 8:9 KJV "And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

There were test animals on a ship: 200 pigs; 60 guinea pigs; 204 goats; 5000 rats; and 200 mice. 10% died in the air blast; 15% died from radioactivity; and 10% were killed for study; for a total of 35% by September 1947, which is close to "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died".

There was also a test fleet of ships, where 28 ships were damaged (5 sunk , 6 seriously damaged, 8 seriously impaired, 9 moderately damaged). 65 ships had either negligible damage (43) or were landing craft that beached without damage (22). So 28 out of 93, or 30% (close to one-third) of the ships were "damaged". I think the Greek word translated "destroyed" can also mean corrupted or "damaged".

What do you think? Do you think the 2nd trumpet has sounded?
 

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It cannot be. 3rd of the creatures did not die, only TEST animals they brought there on purpose, same for the ships. Not to mention for the 2nd trumpet to have sounded, that means the FIRST trumpet must have sounded, which it has not:

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

When did this happen PRIOR to this nuclear test? Never. Furthermore it seems that all the trumpet must blow within a 3 ½ year period, based on Revelation 11,12,13. 42 months.
 

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It could not be it no also it seems to me a mountain of fire would be a giant meteor
 

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

The fiery condensation cloud could possibly be described as a mountain burning with fire in the sea.

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Revelation 8:9 KJV "And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

There were test animals on a ship: 200 pigs; 60 guinea pigs; 204 goats; 5000 rats; and 200 mice. 10% died in the air blast; 15% died from radioactivity; and 10% were killed for study; for a total of 35% by September 1947, which is close to "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died".

There was also a test fleet of ships, where 28 ships were damaged (5 sunk , 6 seriously damaged, 8 seriously impaired, 9 moderately damaged). 65 ships had either negligible damage (43) or were landing craft that beached without damage (22). So 28 out of 93, or 30% (close to one-third) of the ships were "damaged". I think the Greek word translated "destroyed" can also mean corrupted or "damaged".

What do you think? Do you think the 2nd trumpet has sounded?
No, but it was a loud blast for sure.
 
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It cannot be. 3rd of the creatures did not die, only TEST animals they brought there on purpose, same for the ships. Not to mention for the 2nd trumpet to have sounded, that means the FIRST trumpet must have sounded, which it has not:

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

When did this happen PRIOR to this nuclear test? Never. Furthermore it seems that all the trumpet must blow within a 3 ½ year period, based on Revelation 11,12,13. 42 months.
Thank you for your response.

1) Test animals and test ships -- your issue is that one-third should refer to some global phenomenon and not a specific countable set of animals and ships?

2) 1st trumpet impossible to have happened? I could offer a guess. Again it will not be global. During World War I (1914-1918), in northern France and Belgium (e.g. Flanders Field), there was a patch of land that did not belong to the Allied powers or the Central powers. It was heavily bombarded by millions of artillery shells (hail), burning up the grass, destroying trees, and shedding blood. It was called No Man's Land. It is not 1/3 of the earth, and not along the entire Western Front, but certain spots, but it is one of three regions: Allied, Central, No man's Land. Prior to WWI, I can't think of a time when so much grass and trees were burned up.

3) All trumpets must blow within a 3 1/2 year period? Actually, based on Revelation 9-11, the 42 months take place between the sixth and seventh trumpets.
 

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

The fiery condensation cloud could possibly be described as a mountain burning with fire in the sea.

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Revelation 8:9 KJV "And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

There were test animals on a ship: 200 pigs; 60 guinea pigs; 204 goats; 5000 rats; and 200 mice. 10% died in the air blast; 15% died from radioactivity; and 10% were killed for study; for a total of 35% by September 1947, which is close to "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died".

There was also a test fleet of ships, where 28 ships were damaged (5 sunk , 6 seriously damaged, 8 seriously impaired, 9 moderately damaged). 65 ships had either negligible damage (43) or were landing craft that beached without damage (22). So 28 out of 93, or 30% (close to one-third) of the ships were "damaged". I think the Greek word translated "destroyed" can also mean corrupted or "damaged".

What do you think? Do you think the 2nd trumpet has sounded?
you quoted Revelation 8:8 but please also see Revelation 8:9

did a third of all the world's sealife population die when the first A-bomb was tested?

no.
 

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1) Test animals and test ships -- your issue is that one-third should refer to some global phenomenon and not a specific countable set of animals and ships?
the population of the ocean is a countable set. absolutely no part of Revelation 8:9 indicates it's talking only about a portion of small group of test subjects.
it plainly speaks of the entire world.

Revelation 8:9​
And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
what if i throw a rock in a bucket with three fish in it and hit one? have i then fulfilled Revelation 8:8?

nope.
 

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There was also a test fleet of ships, where 28 ships were damaged (5 sunk , 6 seriously damaged, 8 seriously impaired, 9 moderately damaged). 65 ships had either negligible damage (43) or were landing craft that beached without damage (22). So 28 out of 93, or 30% (close to one-third) of the ships were "damaged"
that counts as 6 out of 93 destroyed.
which counts as 6 out of like a billion ships on earth.

nope.

i put three paper boats in a bowl of water and drop a rock on one.
do i fulfill Revelation 8:8?

no, i do not.
 

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

The fiery condensation cloud could possibly be described as a mountain burning with fire in the sea.

View attachment 274265

Revelation 8:9 KJV "And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

There were test animals on a ship: 200 pigs; 60 guinea pigs; 204 goats; 5000 rats; and 200 mice. 10% died in the air blast; 15% died from radioactivity; and 10% were killed for study; for a total of 35% by September 1947, which is close to "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died".

There was also a test fleet of ships, where 28 ships were damaged (5 sunk , 6 seriously damaged, 8 seriously impaired, 9 moderately damaged). 65 ships had either negligible damage (43) or were landing craft that beached without damage (22). So 28 out of 93, or 30% (close to one-third) of the ships were "damaged". I think the Greek word translated "destroyed" can also mean corrupted or "damaged".

What do you think? Do you think the 2nd trumpet has sounded?
No

I don't have time to get deep into escapology. I'm up front though.
I do believe there will be believers martyred and many not, but greatly tested through persecution through the tribulation. That comes and at a point there will be the wrath of God as He pours out His judgement upon the earth. I'm of the opinion that the dead in Christ and those who remain on the earth will rise to meet the Lord in the air. Then He pours out His wrath upon the world.

To take an event like a man made device you mentioned and equate it with the judgements of that particular time is missing the other events that line up at that. As terrible as that nook was and the many others, they were not God's angels pouring them out.
Nor were there parallel Biblical events supporting the theory.

If I were you, I would question anything coming from that source for Biblical understanding.
Have a good weekend.
 
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the population of the ocean is a countable set. absolutely no part of Revelation 8:9 indicates it's talking only about a portion of small group of test subjects.
it plainly speaks of the entire world.

Revelation 8:9​
And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
what if i throw a rock in a bucket with three fish in it and hit one? have i then fulfilled Revelation 8:8?

nope.
You could very well be right, that the second trumpet is a much bigger event.

But your rock in a bucket analogy doesn't work, because it doesn't look like a mountain.
 

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

Angels blowing into trumpets are not nuclear explosions HUMANS create.
 
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No

I don't have time to get deep into escapology. I'm up front though.
I do believe there will be believers martyred and many not, but greatly tested through persecution through the tribulation. That comes and at a point there will be the wrath of God as He pours out His judgement upon the earth. I'm of the opinion that the dead in Christ and those who remain on the earth will rise to meet the Lord in the air. Then He pours out His wrath upon the world.

To take an event like a man made device you mentioned and equate it with the judgements of that particular time is missing the other events that line up at that. As terrible as that nook was and the many others, they were not God's angels pouring them out.
Nor were there parallel Biblical events supporting the theory.

If I were you, I would question anything coming from that source for Biblical understanding.
Have a good weekend.
Angels blowing into trumpets are not nuclear explosions HUMANS create.
I know that the 10 plagues in Egypt were non-human-caused, but for many other judgments in the Bible, God used humans to bring judgment. In the case of the 7 trumpets, the angels who sound the trumpets are not necessarily causing the events to happen. Rather, they are announcing that they will happen. Let's work backwards. The angel who sounds the 7th trumpet cannot cause God to reign and judge the world. He only announces it. The angel who sounds the 6th trumpet releases 4 other angels, and it is the 4 other angels who cause the death and destruction. The angel who sounds the 5th trumpet is probably not the angel that falls to the earth and unleashes the locusts. That is Satan in my opinion (Rev. 12:12). So going back to the first 4 trumpets, these angels may have power to harm the earth (Rev. 7:2), but God can still use humans for some of these judgments.
 

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I know that the 10 plagues in Egypt were non-human-caused, but for many other judgments in the Bible, God used humans to bring judgment. In the case of the 7 trumpets, the angels who sound the trumpets are not necessarily causing the events to happen. Rather, they are announcing that they will happen. Let's work backwards. The angel who sounds the 7th trumpet cannot cause God to reign and judge the world. He only announces it. The angel who sounds the 6th trumpet releases 4 other angels, and it is the 4 other angels who cause the death and destruction. The angel who sounds the 5th trumpet is probably not the angel that falls to the earth and unleashes the locusts. That is Satan in my opinion (Rev. 12:12). So going back to the first 4 trumpets, these angels may have power to harm the earth (Rev. 7:2), but God can still use humans for some of these judgments.

"It was loud enough to be a trumpet"

But it wasn't. The trumpet's sounds come from the angels blowing them, not from explosions HUMANS cause.
 
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"It was loud enough to be a trumpet"

But it wasn't. The trumpet's sounds come from the angels blowing them, not from explosions HUMANS cause.
Good point. A better way to phrase it is that something announced by a trumpet should be big news.
 
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that counts as 6 out of 93 destroyed.
which counts as 6 out of like a billion ships on earth.

nope.

i put three paper boats in a bowl of water and drop a rock on one.
do i fulfill Revelation 8:8?

no, i do not.
well, destroyed is not the same as sunk. Your paper boat can sink to the bottom of the bucket and still not be destroyed. That's why I think damaged is also a possible interpretation.

I understand your global view of trumpets. I used to think like that too, but the Chernobyl = Wormwood connection made me consider another possibility.
 

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Thank you for your response.

1) Test animals and test ships -- your issue is that one-third should refer to some global phenomenon and not a specific countable set of animals and ships?

2) 1st trumpet impossible to have happened? I could offer a guess. Again it will not be global. During World War I (1914-1918), in northern France and Belgium (e.g. Flanders Field), there was a patch of land that did not belong to the Allied powers or the Central powers. It was heavily bombarded by millions of artillery shells (hail), burning up the grass, destroying trees, and shedding blood. It was called No Man's Land. It is not 1/3 of the earth, and not along the entire Western Front, but certain spots, but it is one of three regions: Allied, Central, No man's Land. Prior to WWI, I can't think of a time when so much grass and trees were burned up.

3) All trumpets must blow within a 3 1/2 year period? Actually, based on Revelation 9-11, the 42 months take place between the sixth and seventh trumpets.
1. Yeah I believe a global phenomen would be the only way to see this being fulfilled.

2. Why would the Bible talk about WWI, when nothing happened following it?

3. Show me that the 42 months take place between the sixth and seventh trumpet. If it says that somewhere I will believe it no doubt. I think its vital for us all to know this.
 

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The second trumpet seems to match the description of a US nuclear weapons test on July 1, 1946 at the Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The first test was called Able, and was part of Operation Crossroads. It was loud enough to be a trumpet and it was an event that was reported around the world.

Revelation 8:8 KJV "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

The fiery condensation cloud could possibly be described as a mountain burning with fire in the sea.
Let me suggest to you that - if it was not cast into the sea - after being identifiable "as it were a great mountain burning with fire" - it does not match the prophecy.

All of the details must match.

What do you think? Do you think the 2nd trumpet has sounded?
No. And, like someone else mentioned - what about the 1st trumpet?
 

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well, destroyed is not the same as sunk. Your paper boat can sink to the bottom of the bucket and still not be destroyed. That's why I think damaged is also a possible interpretation.

I understand your global view of trumpets. I used to think like that too, but the Chernobyl = Wormwood connection made me consider another possibility.
the primary operation of a boat is to float.

a boat that is sunk is destroyed.
a boat that is not sunk, is not destroyed.