Regeneration/baptism of the holy spirit

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Blain

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Can you use email? Is email how your case manager contacts you?
yes email is how we stay in contact but I might be able to get a new phone soon so that won't be a problem soon enough
 

Eli1

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yes email is how we stay in contact but I might be able to get a new phone soon so that won't be a problem soon enough
All modern phones such as any Android or any iPhone have accessibility features where you can make the font very large.
Also, all modern phones have voice capabilities.
You can say "Hey Google" or "Hey Siri" and when it responds you can ask it to dial a number for you if you don't have it in your contacts.
 

Blain

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#65
All modern phones such as any Android or any iPhone have accessibility features where you can make the font very large.
Also, all modern phones have voice capabilities.
You can say "Hey Google" or "Hey Siri" and when it responds you can ask it to dial a number for you if you don't have it in your contacts.
yeah the issue is I don't have service right now all my money goes to the nursing home I am in so I had a free government phone but it got stolen I am currently waiting for a new one
 

GWH

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#66
yes email is how we stay in contact but I might be able to get a new phone soon so that won't be a problem soon enough
Okay good. Please let us know what he says and whether you arranged transportation to church.
 

GWH

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#67
All modern phones such as any Android or any iPhone have accessibility features where you can make the font very large.
Also, all modern phones have voice capabilities.
You can say "Hey Google" or "Hey Siri" and when it responds you can ask it to dial a number for
if you don't have it in your contacts.
Ask Siri to give you job openings for blind folks.
 

Eli1

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#68
Ask Siri to give you job openings for blind folks.
He should get all the money that was being wasted outside and inside of USA with woke services.
Hopefully the government gives him a phone and a bonus check.
 

Blain

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Okay good. Please let us know what he says and whether you arranged transportation to church.
I am going to borrow a phone and get in contact with my church tomorrow for bible study
 

GWH

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I am going to borrow a phone and get in contact with my church tomorrow for bible study
Good! If you want to share the gist of the BS, I would be interested.

My wife said that Goodwill Industries often has jobs for the handicapped, so may that includes for the blind.
 

homwardbound

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I have come accross the word regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit rebirth renewal and other like wise words there is a thing that I have heard happens to believers after being saved and recieving the holy spirit that is kind of like a second portion of his spirit filling them to the brim with his spirit I just cannot remember the word for it.

But these words caught my attention because I don't think they mean the same thing those two words specifically regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit. to me the word regeneration is one that seems to be a renewal of his spirit a recharge of sorts but whenever I look it up it speaks of it meaning the initial recieving of his spirit when saved but somehow that doesn't feel right to me and then there is the baptism of the holy spirit which I always thought was the initial receiving of his spirit but some have told me it actually is the event I talked about before kind of like a renewal or recharge of the spirit.

Does anyone know anything about this could you maybe point me in the right direction?
I am not sure on that Blain. I do get this
I am married to my wife. I do not see or care to ever marry her again, because
We are married. If, she asked me to marry her, I would ask why? we are already married
Me using a physical analogy of John 3:12
I do not see God doing what man continues to try to do, to make it real, really?
God said we are married on the first day of belief in risen Son. I, believe God, we are safe and secure in our Father, by the Lord Jesus's done work on that cross, proven in being risen from the dead to me at least.
If I have to or need to do more, then I am in at least a modicum of Doubt Seeing God will not establish me because of doubt (Isaiah 7:1-9)
Blain you are in, by God's done work of Son for you, safe and secure by Father and Son as Won for you, thank you
Is it by work we get in or stay in? Re-read Gal. 3 please?
Foolish Galatians
 

Blain

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I am not sure on that Blain. I do get this
I am married to my wife. I do not see or care to ever marry her again, because
We are married. If, she asked me to marry her, I would ask why? we are already married
Me using a physical analogy of John 3:12
I do not see God doing what man continues to try to do, to make it real, really?
God said we are married on the first day of belief in risen Son. I, believe God, we are safe and secure in our Father, by the Lord Jesus's done work on that cross, proven in being risen from the dead to me at least.
If I have to or need to do more, then I am in at least a modicum of Doubt Seeing God will not establish me because of doubt (Isaiah 7:1-9)
Blain you are in, by God's done work of Son for you, safe and secure by Father and Son as Won for you, thank you
Is it by work we get in or stay in? Re-read Gal. 3 please?
Foolish Galatians
Well I think instead of remarrying it would be more of a refilling of the spirit kind of like how we need water or food the word of God being food and the spirit being water
 

CS1

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#73
I have come accross the word regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit rebirth renewal and other like wise words there is a thing that I have heard happens to believers after being saved and recieving the holy spirit that is kind of like a second portion of his spirit filling them to the brim with his spirit I just cannot remember the word for it.

But these words caught my attention because I don't think they mean the same thing those two words specifically regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit. to me the word regeneration is one that seems to be a renewal of his spirit a recharge of sorts but whenever I look it up it speaks of it meaning the initial recieving of his spirit when saved but somehow that doesn't feel right to me and then there is the baptism of the holy spirit which I always thought was the initial receiving of his spirit but some have told me it actually is the event I talked about before kind of like a renewal or recharge of the spirit.

Does anyone know anything about this could you maybe point me in the right direction?

the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate you by the Grace and Faith in the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of the Lord . The Empowerment of the Holy Spirit that Jesus said to wait for in lUKE 24:49 AND said in again in Acts 1:8 was to be a witness of HIM.
Then the Holy Spirit came into and came upon them. Two works of the Same Holy Spirit.
 

Blain

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#74
the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate you by the Grace and Faith in the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of the Lord . The Empowerment of the Holy Spirit that Jesus said to wait for in lUKE 24:49 AND said in again in Acts 1:8 was to be a witness of HIM.
Then the Holy Spirit came into and came upon them. Two works of the Same Holy Spirit.
Yes this is true my questioning is about the refilling process known as the baptism of the spirit as I thought regeneration was the term for the empowerment of the spirit or refilling if you will but apparently that is actually the initial receiving of the spirit while being baprized in the spirit is a refilling of the cup so to speak
 

GWH

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#75
Yes this is true my questioning is about the refilling process known as the baptism of the spirit as I thought regeneration was the term for the empowerment of the spirit or refilling if you will but apparently that is actually the initial receiving of the spirit while being baprized in the spirit is a refilling of the cup so to speak
No, regeneration coincides with baptism by the HS that occurs after repentance at the moment of conversion, the first stage of salvation.

The second stage of salvation is spiritual growth, which is also referred to as maturation (EPH 4:13), discipleship (ACTS 14:22) or sanctification (2THS 2:13). Grammatically it is present progressive, and historically it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity.

Although a new Spirit-filled convert has access to all of the power he/she needs for loving like Christ (EPH 3:16-19), no one attains immediate “perfection” by remaining filled with the Holy Spirit forever (PHP 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing their first post-conversion sin(s). Then he/she no longer is spiritual or filled with the Holy Spirit but rather is acting like unsaved unbelievers (1CR 3:1). This “venial” type of error differs from the “mortal” or damning sin of unbelief or apostasy (rejecting God’s Lordship, cf. JM 1:15 & Part II).

As soon as a new Christian realizes a sin was committed, he/she should confess it (1JN 1:9) rather than compound it by trying to hide it or cover it up like Adam and Eve did (GN 3:7-8). Then God will forgive, and the saint will again be in a Spirit-filled or spiritual condition. This spiritual flip-flopping might happen once a day, or it could occur several times in an hour. While this instability may be bad, failure to confess promptly is much worse, because it results in chain-sinning or back-sliding. This condition is also referred to as being carnal/worldly (1CR 3:1) or prodigal (LK 15:13) if it continues for weeks or years.

Unfortunately, some people may not appreciate the process of being renewed morally or as Paul says (in RM 12:2) of being “transformed by the renewing of your mind”, perhaps because it involves admitting sins or having “guilt trips”. It is not guilt that is bad; rather whatever one is doing that makes one feel guilty. Guilt is like a warning light on a car’s instrument panel that lets one know something is wrong. Until we have the wisdom to welcome God’s “guilt trips” like we do warning lights, we will never feel the satisfaction of becoming a new and improved version of ourselves. Hopefully, we will never reach the point where we are so callous that we experience no guilt when we do wrong. Warnings are good!

This unstable or immature phase in a Christian’s spiritual relationship with God is followed eventually (and hopefully soon) by a second phase of relative perfection or maturity signified in the Bible (especially the King James Version) by the phrase “walking with God”. Genesis 5:24 describes Enoch as a man who walked with God, and the apostle Paul described the goal of Christians (the fullness of Christ) as walking with God (RM 6:4, GL 5:16, EPH 4:1, 1THS 4:1). Elsewhere the continually (ideally) Spirit-filled condition is referred to as walking: in light (1JN 1:7), in love (EPH 5:2), in a new life (RM 6:4), according to the Spirit (RM 8:4), and in good works (CL 1:10).

The outward evidence that someone is Spirit-filled (EPH 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit or fullness of Christ (EPH 3:19, 4:13), which consists of such attributes as those listed in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (JN13:35), because “love” sums up the moral character or nature of God (1JN 4:7-8).
 

CS1

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#76
Yes this is true my questioning is about the refilling process known as the baptism of the spirit as I thought regeneration was the term for the empowerment of the spirit or refilling if you will but apparently that is actually the initial receiving of the spirit while being baprized in the spirit is a refilling of the cup so to speak
regenerated is a term for saved, born again.
 

Blain

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No, regeneration coincides with baptism by the HS that occurs after repentance at the moment of conversion, the first stage of salvation.

The second stage of salvation is spiritual growth, which is also referred to as maturation (EPH 4:13), discipleship (ACTS 14:22) or sanctification (2THS 2:13). Grammatically it is present progressive, and historically it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity.

Although a new Spirit-filled convert has access to all of the power he/she needs for loving like Christ (EPH 3:16-19), no one attains immediate “perfection” by remaining filled with the Holy Spirit forever (PHP 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing their first post-conversion sin(s). Then he/she no longer is spiritual or filled with the Holy Spirit but rather is acting like unsaved unbelievers (1CR 3:1). This “venial” type of error differs from the “mortal” or damning sin of unbelief or apostasy (rejecting God’s Lordship, cf. JM 1:15 & Part II).

As soon as a new Christian realizes a sin was committed, he/she should confess it (1JN 1:9) rather than compound it by trying to hide it or cover it up like Adam and Eve did (GN 3:7-8). Then God will forgive, and the saint will again be in a Spirit-filled or spiritual condition. This spiritual flip-flopping might happen once a day, or it could occur several times in an hour. While this instability may be bad, failure to confess promptly is much worse, because it results in chain-sinning or back-sliding. This condition is also referred to as being carnal/worldly (1CR 3:1) or prodigal (LK 15:13) if it continues for weeks or years.

Unfortunately, some people may not appreciate the process of being renewed morally or as Paul says (in RM 12:2) of being “transformed by the renewing of your mind”, perhaps because it involves admitting sins or having “guilt trips”. It is not guilt that is bad; rather whatever one is doing that makes one feel guilty. Guilt is like a warning light on a car’s instrument panel that lets one know something is wrong. Until we have the wisdom to welcome God’s “guilt trips” like we do warning lights, we will never feel the satisfaction of becoming a new and improved version of ourselves. Hopefully, we will never reach the point where we are so callous that we experience no guilt when we do wrong. Warnings are good!

This unstable or immature phase in a Christian’s spiritual relationship with God is followed eventually (and hopefully soon) by a second phase of relative perfection or maturity signified in the Bible (especially the King James Version) by the phrase “walking with God”. Genesis 5:24 describes Enoch as a man who walked with God, and the apostle Paul described the goal of Christians (the fullness of Christ) as walking with God (RM 6:4, GL 5:16, EPH 4:1, 1THS 4:1). Elsewhere the continually (ideally) Spirit-filled condition is referred to as walking: in light (1JN 1:7), in love (EPH 5:2), in a new life (RM 6:4), according to the Spirit (RM 8:4), and in good works (CL 1:10).

The outward evidence that someone is Spirit-filled (EPH 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit or fullness of Christ (EPH 3:19, 4:13), which consists of such attributes as those listed in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (JN13:35), because “love” sums up the moral character or nature of God (1JN 4:7-8).
So then what would you call what happened to me? I was already saved and yet I was one day filled with this life and I experienced his power first hand like a surge of electricity surgign inside me
 

GWH

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So then what would you call what happened to me? I was already saved and yet I was one day filled with this life and I experienced his power first hand like a surge of electricity surgign inside me
I would call that an emotional encounter with the Lord somewhat comparable to Paul's experience on the road to Damascus before his conversion from Judaism to being a Christian, which is not normative--meaning that it might not ever occur again, which is why we must walk by faith (2CR 5:7).
 

Snackersmom

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Very helpful, and I agree, although I would call emotional experiences with the HS simply that--similar or comparable to how watching the movie "Til We Meet Again" again yesterday brought me near to tears again.
I agree with you regarding experiences that are purely emotional.... like when a worship song brings tears to my eyes. However, I would be hesitant to categorize Paul's Damascus road experience and @Blain 's experience as such. If you look at most of the examples where the Bible specifically mentions that a person got "filled" or empowered by the Spirit, you could often argue that it was emotional, spiritual, and physical..... all at once. Paul was blinded (physical), the Lord directly spoke to him (Spiritual), he was so rattled he didn't eat or drink for 3 days (emotional). Then the Lord sent Ananias to lay hands on him, Paul received his sight and was filled with the Holy Spirit (physical/spiritual). The Lord told Ananias that Paul was a chosen vessel who had a big job and would suffer a lot because of it. And almost immediately after Paul got saved and empowered, he began to preach Jesus in the synagogues.

Typically, we receive an "empowering" when we are setting about The Lord's work.... @Blain , you mentioned that a lot of cool things happened after your experience. Were those things related to ministering/serving The Lord?
 

GWH

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I agree with you regarding experiences that are purely emotional.... like when a worship song brings tears to my eyes. However, I would be hesitant to categorize Paul's Damascus road experience and @Blain 's experience as such. If you look at most of the examples where the Bible specifically mentions that a person got "filled" or empowered by the Spirit, you could often argue that it was emotional, spiritual, and physical..... all at once. Paul was blinded (physical), the Lord directly spoke to him (Spiritual), he was so rattled he didn't eat or drink for 3 days (emotional). Then the Lord sent Ananias to lay hands on him, Paul received his sight and was filled with the Holy Spirit (physical/spiritual). The Lord told Ananias that Paul was a chosen vessel who had a big job and would suffer a lot because of it. And almost immediately after Paul got saved and empowered, he began to preach Jesus in the synagogues.

Typically, we receive an "empowering" when we are setting about The Lord's work.... @Blain , you mentioned that a lot of cool things happened after your experience. Were those things related to ministering/serving The Lord?
I agree that Paul's experience was in a unique category, although I suppose Blain finds it interesting that Paul was struck with blindness, from which he might not have been completely healed if that was his thorn in the flesh.