A misconception of obedience

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Sipsey

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It means exactly what it says.

It is you and every other church who presume to interject your bias into who the pronouns apply to, that will read more into the verse then what is there.

The pronouns are referring to Christians. It does not say who is a Christian.

So using 1st John 5:13 as a proof text for your "personal and individual" salvation is bogus.
If one trusts in their own righteousness, I agree, but since I trust in my Lord and Savior and His sacrifice, then I feel confident the He who began a good work in me, will finish it.
 

Sipsey

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No one is trusting in their own righteousness. Is it not reasonable to believe Lamar is very well trusting in Jesus and His sacrifice, and is confident in Jesus?
A couple of posts that Lamar made seem to say that one cannot be assured of their salvation. I am confident in the promises made by Jesus.
 
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I am confident in the promises made by Jesus.
Confidence does not make you correct on this issue or any other.

The promises of Jesus is not the issue, it is your unsubstantiated faith in your confidence that is in question.

"Where false assurance exist true assurance cannot."

You may personally assert that you are saved (which is fine) but you cannot demonstrate in anyway that this is true.

None of us can.
 
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NewlifeinChrist and Sipsey put a lot of faith in their own "trusting and confidence". I suspect more than they should.

Cameron is just a closet Calvinist (which is fine) but he should grow a backbone and admit it.
 
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A couple of posts that Lamar made seem to say that one cannot be assured of their salvation. I am confident in the promises made by Jesus.
Please give the post #s. In #128 I find Lamar saying: "I suspect those in Matthew 7:21-23 also "knew" that they had eternal life.
John knew his audience, he also knew that many who would hear these words would not have eternal life.
May know is a far cry from knowing. So what is your point?"

And in #137 I see: "A fair question. For the sake of expedience than principle. I will bow my unworthy head and beg the blood of Jesus on the day of Judgement. Like we all should."

And then in #164 you say: "A couple of posts that Lamar made seem to say that one cannot be assured of their salvation. I am confident in the promises made by Jesus."

It seems to me you are splitting hairs, because having confidence or assurance is NOT knowing with absolute certainty or walking by sight/proof (2CR 5:7, 1CR 13:12).

(Peace, out :^)