Mark 11:12-14

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vjkulp

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I do not understand why Jesus was mad at the fig tree. Verse 13 says "But no, there were only leaves, for it was too early in the season for fruit."

Jesus would have known that. I know he was feeling hungry but I don't know what to learn from this. It wasn't the fig tree's fault.

Please let me know. Thanks.
 

Dino246

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As Posthuman said, the fig tree is symbolizes Israel (well, what was left of it at that point). The parable in Luke 13 provides fuller context to the symbol. Israel had been "using up resources" but "not bearing fruit" for centuries, and the time was up. God allowed one more generation before ending Israel as a nation, but it bore no more fruit.
 

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I do not understand why Jesus was mad at the fig tree. Verse 13 says "But no, there were only leaves, for it was too early in the season for fruit."

Jesus would have known that. I know he was feeling hungry but I don't know what to learn from this. It wasn't the fig tree's fault.

Please let me know. Thanks.
TOJ #123: Bear good fruit. [MT 21:19//MK 11:14] We can be confident that the Master of the universe was not concerned about an unfruitful tree, but rather He wanted to teach unfruitful people, specifically the Jewish leaders, their destiny.

He did this more elaborately in the next TOJ. Also see TOJ #102 & 152. His prayer regarding them is found in John 15:1-8.

TOJ #124: God will reject Jews who reject Jesus as Messiah. [MT 21:33-44//MK 12:1-10//LK 20:9-18] Jesus taught this truth in the Parable of the Tenants and in the Parable of the Wedding or Great Banquet {MT 22:1-8//LK 14:16-24}. The “people who will produce” (21:4) and “anyone you find” (22:9) are Believers, both Jews and Gentiles (RM 2:9-11; cf. TOJ #49 & #84).

God chose the nation of Israel for the purpose of procreating Messiah, but ironically and tragically they did not recognize Jesus (JN 1:11) as the fulfillment of Messianic prophecies (MT 23:37-39; TOJ #137).

TOJ #102: Excommunicate fruitless “Christians”. [MT 18:17-18] Although saints are not perfect, someone who typically exhibits sinful fruit (GL 5:19-21) apparently is not a genuine Believer (TOJ #48 & #148).

TOJ #60: Stand firm to the end. [MT 10:17-22] This passage teaches the need for perseverance rather than choosing to commit apostasy. In John’s gospel the need for perseverance (and implicitly the possibility of apostasy) is indicated by the phrase “remain in me” {JN 15:4-10}.

TOJ #152: The eternal result of Sin is misery/hell. [LK 16:19-28] This consequence is logical and just (TOJ #102).
 

posthuman

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it is a symbol of Israel.
compare also Genesis 3-4, the first mention of figs in the whole Bible is ((importantly)) in Genesis 3 - - - exactly what 'fruit of the ground' do you suppose Cain brought? Why do Adam and Woman choose fig leaves for a garment? They are small; if you were going to make yourself a tunic out of leaves in a pinch, these are absolutely not the most efficient choice....

answer this OP question by finding every other mention of figs in the Bible, lay them all out, and look for a pattern. you'll find Israel ;)... among other things
 
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it is a symbol of Israel.
WRONG!

HERESY!

Romans 11
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
The fig tree has NO FRUIT, Israel had SOME FRUIT.
Paul, Peter, John, Thomas, Matthew, etc... (Just to name a few).

You lie by saying it IS Israel. It cannot be Israel.
There is still a remnant, there are still some fruits budding.

To say it is Israel is to say God has killed Israel and is done with Israel, which is to call God a liar!

Hosea 3-4, God is not done with Israel, God is going to remarry Israel!

Romans 11:25-28
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Look at that, God is going to come back for ISRAEL they are NOT cast away and dead!

Read the parrallel in Matthew 21!!!
Matthew 21:19-21
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
How could you POSSIBLE say that Israel when He is telling JEWS they have this power if they believe in Him.

The figtree represents a SINGULAR person who does not produce fruit. Not the entire nation of Israel!

This server is so full of heresy and blindmen and false teachers it's pathetic.
A well of dust and sand is Christianchat.com
 

posthuman

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WRONG!

HERESY!

Romans 11


The fig tree has NO FRUIT, Israel had SOME FRUIT.
Paul, Peter, John, Thomas, Matthew, etc... (Just to name a few).

You lie by saying it IS Israel. It cannot be Israel.
There is still a remnant, there are still some fruits budding.

To say it is Israel is to say God has killed Israel and is done with Israel, which is to call God a liar!

Hosea 3-4, God is not done with Israel, God is going to remarry Israel!

Romans 11:25-28


Look at that, God is going to come back for ISRAEL they are NOT cast away and dead!

Read the parrallel in Matthew 21!!!
Matthew 21:19-21


How could you POSSIBLE say that Israel when He is telling JEWS they have this power if they believe in Him.

The figtree represents a SINGULAR person who does not produce fruit. Not the entire nation of Israel!

This server is so full of heresy and blindmen and false teachers it's pathetic.
A well of dust and sand is Christianchat.com
sound advice:
think before you post.

Hosea 9:10​
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstfruits on the fig tree in its first season.
... ask me how i know, lol
 
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sound advice:
think before you post.

Hosea 9:10​
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstfruits on the fig tree in its first season.
... ask me how i know, lol
Sound advice, take your own advice before trying to be clever

Revelation 6:13
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
I can go toe to toe on this, and when you run out of verses that figs actually talk about Israel, and the ones you think figs talk about Israel, I will STILL have verses left that are undeniably not Israel.


Let's play this game. let's show everyone you are wrong :)
Your turn.
 

posthuman

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Sound advice, take your own advice before trying to be clever

Revelation 6:13


I can go toe to toe on this, and when you run out of verses that figs actually talk about Israel, and the ones you think figs talk about Israel, I will STILL have verses left that are undeniably not Israel.


Let's play this game. let's show everyone you are wrong :)
Your turn.
friend, i did not say Israel is forsaken.
i said the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. that point, you have provided no evidence contrary to.

and that they were cursed?
perhaps you have never read of mount Ebal? please see Deuteronomy 27. Mark 11 is the fulfilling of prophecy.


you don't seem to know me or my witness on this forum over the last 12 years of my sojourn at all... no one who does, would accost me like this. so i infer you are new to this house. nice to meet you!

i have for over a decade here adamantly defended the continuation of the promises to the nation Israel and argued vehemently against the appropriation of the prophecies concerning them to the Gentile believers. The Bride of Christ and The Wife of YHWH are not equivalent groups in the Bible, agreed.

so,
welcome to CC
hi, i'm post. i will be your mathematician :)
 

posthuman

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we need one that is both likened to a fig tree, and also cursed, for not bringing forth fruit both in and out of season.

it's not enough to find a verse that doesn't immediately look like it has reference to Israel (y)
 
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friend, i did not say Israel is forsaken.
i said the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. that point, you have provided no evidence contrary to.

and that they were cursed?
perhaps you have never read of mount Ebal? please see Deuteronomy 27.


you don't seem to know me or my witness on this forum over the last 12 years of my sojourn at all... no one who does, would accost me like this. so I infer you are new.

i have for over a decade here adamantly defended the continuation of the promises to the nation Israel and argued vehemently against the appropriation of the prophecies concerning them to the Gentile believers. The Bride of Christ and The Wife of YHWH are not equivalent groups in the Bible, agreed.

so,
welcome to CC
hi, i'm post. i will be your mathematician :)
IF the fig tree is symbolic of Israel.... THE FIG TREE WHITHERED TO NEVER GIVE FRUIT AGIAN!!!!!!

Israel STILL gives fruit and will in the FUTURE.
How can that be symbolic of Israel!

To say that is symbolic of Israel is to say that ISRAEL IS DEAD TO NEVER RETURN!

Do you not think before you speak?


By making Israel the Fig Tree, congratulations you undid your "12 years of sojourn" in ONE POST.
If you fought against replacement theologists for 12 years... Why today do you side with them and spread their heresy?

I could care less what you have done for 12 years... YOU ARE WRONG! Israel is NOT the Fig Tree in Mark 11 and Matthew 21. They cannot be for Paul himself said that Israel still has a remnant FRUIT... And Israel as a WHOLE will be saved in tribulation!!!
The fig tree DIES to never give fruit because it has never given fruit...

Israel gave abundance of fruit in the Law... And even this day they still have fruit albeit small.

And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.
No man eat fruit of thee herafter for EVER.....

Israel is coming back! HOW CAN THAT BE ISRAEL?
 

posthuman

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IF the fig tree is symbolic of Israel.... THE FIG TREE WHITHERED TO NEVER GIVE FRUIT AGIAN!!!!!!
Galatians 3:28​
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

posthuman

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I do not understand why Jesus was mad at the fig tree. Verse 13 says "But no, there were only leaves, for it was too early in the season for fruit."

Jesus would have known that. I know he was feeling hungry but I don't know what to learn from this. It wasn't the fig tree's fault.

Please let me know. Thanks.
it is good you get to see some discussion, in addition to the answer :)
 

posthuman

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it has never given fruit...
hmmm

Micah 4:4​
But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid; For the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken.
not super comforting for God to promise the rest under a tree that has never bor fruit, ever, nor ever, is it...?
 

Blade

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I do not understand why Jesus was mad at the fig tree. Verse 13 says "But no, there were only leaves, for it was too early in the season for fruit."

Jesus would have known that. I know he was feeling hungry but I don't know what to learn from this. It wasn't the fig tree's fault.

Please let me know. Thanks.
A word came to me reading this verse and the question you asked. Facets.. I am a simple man getting old but I had to look it up. Seems that verse your asking about "one side of something many-sided, especially of a cut gem.". Keep searching :)

Song playing....People Get Ready.. Jesus is coming. Then reminded of Keith Green song "And I hear you say that I'm coming back soon,
But you act like I'll never return."
 

homwardbound

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I do not understand why Jesus was mad at the fig tree. Verse 13 says "But no, there were only leaves, for it was too early in the season for fruit."

Jesus would have known that. I know he was feeling hungry but I don't know what to learn from this. It wasn't the fig tree's fault.

Please let me know. Thanks.
Adam and Eve fell in "Unbelief" and ate, Adam and Eve ran off and put on fig leafs, to cover up their sin
Jesus came to reverse the curse and take the curse upon himself in our place, to free us in the resurrection of himself.
overcame death in the resurrection for us to get, believe, receive and be set free too, thank you