What are the arguments against Premill?

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Because how does it influence the gospel whether the millennium is a symbolic period after which Jesus returns, or if Jesus returns and then the millennium starts? Its completely irrelevant. Jesus' kingdom is coming no matter how you spin it.

How does this belief or lack thereof influence your daily walk with Christ?
 
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Because how does it influence the gospel whether the millennium is a symbolic period after which Jesus returns, or if Jesus returns and then the millennium starts? Its completely irrelevant. Jesus' kingdom is coming no matter how you spin it.

How does this belief or lack thereof influence your daily walk with Christ?
I think I see what you’re saying…if a teaching doesn’t cause one to believe or live in such a way to be lost, then it’s not a salvation issue.
 

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Outside of the "timestamps" of "soon", are there any indicators in the book of Revelation that its past history? I think the best argument for your view would be not the "soon" statements but the "Five have fallen, one is... one is yet to come" etc. of John. Because a man's lifespan is only so long, which means the 8th king must of happened in the first or second century.

Btw: What about Revelation 20? Are you amillennialist or premillennialist or panmilennialist?

There are so many things to consider, I think the understanding of "age" ''latter times" end of the age" .. this is so powerful once you understand what was being spoken of in the OT and NT.

I think the time stamps is how the "dipsey" indoctrination first began to fall off my eyes, they are undeniable and audience relevance changes everything.

How people expressed concepts back then is also another thing I had to come to understand ... for example 1,000 as used in the original language should be interpreted qualitatively NOT quantitatively.

I think if you look into the history "the five have fallen and one is yet to come" can be also understood... so yes first century.

As well the Book of Revelation was written before 70 AD there is plenty of good information to support this now.
 

HeIsHere

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Jesus was speaking of "you" as the future people
So Jesus was lying to His audience and they were supposed to understand that He was lying to the them .... He specifically mentions the temple being destroyed.
 

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So Jesus was lying to His audience and they were supposed to understand that He was lying to the them ....

Never suggest Jesus could have lied. It is blasphemy.

He specifically mentions the temple being destroyed.
No, he doesn't mention that one single time in the OD. He spoke of that BEFORE the OD. (Olivet discourse)
 

Blade

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"This is why I don't believe these events are future to us, because Jesus looked THEM in the eyes and said "TRULY I say to you THIS generation will not pass until ALL these things take place." Because Jesus said so, that's why. "

Yes you are correct. What was He talking about? The future and those that see that happening.. that generation will not pass away. He also looked at them face to face saying He was going back to His Fathers house to make them a home so that where He is they will be. Like you said all that will happen because He said so. So when did it happen? He lied or He didn't know other then He could return at any time.. some believe.. I believe that.

Fun to talk about but in the end.. I have only this moment.. so I choose to watch and ready for Him to come get us.. since He is coming quickly.. again because HE said so