Kind of a dumb question but..

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Okay so I’m reading through numbers right now, and we keep going back to the fact that a fitting sin offering is a goat. And since Jesus is also technically a sin offering on behalf of our sins, why do we call him the Lamb of God? Isn’t he kind of the Goat of God? Lol dumb question but I’m curious
 

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Welcome to CC, Vinny.

That's a good question, not a dumb one. The Law (Genesis to Deuteronomy) record several animals being the required offering for sin: bulls, rams, goats, lambs, and doves. When John called Jesus "the Lamb of God" he may have been making general reference to sin offerings and direct reference to the sacrifice of lambs according to the instruction for the Passover in Exodus 12. :)
 
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Christ is the antitype of the Passover lamb, which you can read about in Exodus 13.

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1 Corinthians 5:7
 

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Christ is the antitype of the Passover lamb, which you can read about in Exodus 13.

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1 Corinthians 5:7
Yes, the Lamb without blemish.
 

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Okay so I’m reading through numbers right now, and we keep going back to the fact that a fitting sin offering is a goat. And since Jesus is also technically a sin offering on behalf of our sins, why do we call him the Lamb of God? Isn’t he kind of the Goat of God? Lol dumb question but I’m curious
Read about the Lambs that where killed and eaten on the first night of Passover when the angel of death came to take the lives of all the first born of Egypt.. The Lamb of those times was a symbol of the eventual Lamb of God who's death would protect those who consumed His Word from the second death in The eternal lake of fire.. Yes Jesus is similar to the goat But is more like the Passover Lamb..

Jesus said:
(John 6:51-60) "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. {52} The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? {53} Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. {54} Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. {55} For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. {56} He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. {57} As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. {58} This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. {59} These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. {60} Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?"

Many of the Jews who where following Jesus at this time ceased to follow Him because they could not understand that Jesus was talking about His Word / message ( flesh ) and His atoning sacrifice ( His blood) and that eating then was symbolic of Believing Him and Drinking His blood was symbolic of trusting in His atoning blood He shed on the cross for our salvation..
 

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Okay so I’m reading through numbers right now, and we keep going back to the fact that a fitting sin offering is a goat. And since Jesus is also technically a sin offering on behalf of our sins, why do we call him the Lamb of God? Isn’t he kind of the Goat of God? Lol dumb question but I’m curious
The first sacrifice was a ram in place of Isaac. The sacrifice to save the Israelites in Egypt from the angel of death was a lamb for each household.
 
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Okay so I’m reading through numbers right now, and we keep going back to the fact that a fitting sin offering is a goat. And since Jesus is also technically a sin offering on behalf of our sins, why do we call him the Lamb of God? Isn’t he kind of the Goat of God? Lol dumb question but I’m curious
Jesus is the Perfect Lamb, that took away the sin of the world for us, in his Father's sight to us. So we the people can now believe and not be fooled under Law anymore.
We can by the done work of the perfect Lamb, Jesus for us, now enter the throne of grace daily, I love to stay right there, for me at least. With confidence, to hear truth from Father over errors in this world we are in. This world focuses on Sin. God Father does not do that anymore, thanks to the done work of Son for us to stand in. thanksgiving and praise all sin taken away by Son as far as the east is from the West (Psalm 103:12) (John 19:30) he did it, it is finished for us to be new in the risen life of Jesus for us to stand in and not worry over stuff anymore.
God puts before us death and life, choose who will we serve death or life, the risen Life of the risen Son is where the new life is at today. This is not of flesh and blood, that is considered dead, that first birth, yet held alive as new (Acts 17:28) for me anyways standing in love, God's love that wins and won for me by Son, given me, not earned ever, thanks
(Eph 2)
 

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Of course He is the GOAT.
What of the goat they used in the Bible as a scapegoat, one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness,
taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in
which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community on the Day of Atonement.
 

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Okay so I’m reading through numbers right now, and we keep going back to the fact that a fitting sin offering is a goat. And since Jesus is also technically a sin offering on behalf of our sins, why do we call him the Lamb of God? Isn’t he kind of the Goat of God? Lol dumb question but I’m curious
It’s only a pattern of sacrifice . Jesus promise was on Abraham not Moses . What I mean is before the laws of sacrifice were given to Moses this happened about four hundred years earlier and was a promise for the lamb of God based on Abraham’s offering of his only begotten

Before you get to numbers or before Moses was ever conceived before israel was named and formed by covenant promise before all that was the promises of the gospel based on Abraham’s faith

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

( Isaac begins to wonder where’s the sacrifice ?)

…And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

( Ishmael had been removed from Abraham’s house already and wasn’t recognized as legitimate )

And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:1-2, 7-12, 15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later you then have the Passover which raised the curse of death to Passover the Israelites which was the blood of a spotless lamb ect

all of these things are figures only and not the reality which is Christ

The scapegoat was a figure of Christ , the sin sacrifice , the Passover , the atonement money, the priesthood duties ect

about the Lamb of God refers back to Abraham’s faith maul promise to his son Isaac “ God himself will provide the lamb “

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the true passover over lamb that saves from death
 
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What of the goat they used in the Bible as a scapegoat, one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness,
taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in
which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community on the Day of Atonement.
I don't think Christ is the scapegoat, which I see as the symbolic banishment of evil away from the presence of God's people. There is no sin in Christ, so how could he take sin away himself?

Currently, Christ is in the holiest place making reconciliation for his people. This is the fulfillment of the day of atonement when the high priest entered into the holiest place the second time to make reconciliation for the people. When he emerged from there he transferred Israel's sins to the scapegoat and banished it alive into the wilderness away from God's people.

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Leviticus 16:10
Christ has not yet emerged from the temple. But when he does the beast and false prophet will be arrested and banished alive into the lake of fire. And so will be separated evil from the presence of God's congregation forever. This I think will be the fulfillment of the scapegoat.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
 

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What of the goat they used in the Bible as a scapegoat, one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness,
taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in
which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community on the Day of Atonement.
I was just making a joke. But as the Bible is ultimately about Christ, the whole sacrificial system is too.
 
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Scapegoat means go-away goat, or something like that

H5799 עֲזָאזֵל `aza'zel (az-aw-zale') n-m.
1. goat of departure.
2. the scapegoat.
[from H5795 and H235]

H235 אָזַל 'azal (aw-zal') v.
1. to go away.
2. (hence) to disappear.
 

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I don't think Christ is the scapegoat, which I see as the symbolic banishment of evil away from the presence of God's people. There is no sin in Christ, so how could he take sin away himself?

Currently, Christ is in the holiest place making reconciliation for his people. This is the fulfillment of the day of atonement when the high priest entered into the holiest place the second time to make reconciliation for the people. When he emerged from there he transferred Israel's sins to the scapegoat and banished it alive into the wilderness away from God's people.

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Leviticus 16:10
Christ has not yet emerged from the temple. But when he does the beast and false prophet will be arrested and banished alive into the lake of fire. And so will be separated evil from the presence of God's congregation forever. This I think will be the fulfillment of the scapegoat.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
Yes, obviously Christ is the sacrificial one of the two. Though He did become sin for us...

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
 

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Scapegoat means go-away goat, or something like that

H5799 עֲזָאזֵל `aza'zel (az-aw-zale') n-m.
1. goat of departure.
2. the scapegoat.
[from H5795 and H235]

H235 אָזַל 'azal (aw-zal') v.
1. to go away.
2. (hence) to disappear.
He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to
righteousness. “By His stripes you are healed.” For “you were like sheep going astray,”
but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24-25
 

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Male lambs are called Rams and typically a Ram is commonly believed to be known as a goat....but a male goat is a Billy.