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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
 
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Pilgrimshope

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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
When we sin we should become very uncomfortable . God does hate sin because it kills his beloved children. If your child was taking poison every day , wouldn’t you eventually become upset about watching them slowly perish ?

but look at it like this

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when your feeling guilt and shame or whatever pray and talk to God knowing it’s true that he’s always ready and willing to forgive and cleanse us so we don’t have that feeling anymore we just have to bring our sin to him also and not pretend it’s ok
 
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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
A book called "Classic Christianity" by Bob George
Another book called "The Naked Gospel" by Andrew Carly"
Those two books have said much to me from God Father to me and has freed me in that stressed out life I was in as well, and "I" now see new in God's grace is sufficient for me 2 Cor 12:7-10
 
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A book called "Classic Christianity" by Bob George
Another book called "The Naked Gospel" by Andrew Carly"
Those two books have said much to me from God Father to me and has freed me in that stressed out life I was in as well, and "I" now see new in God's grace is sufficient for me 2 Cor 12:7-10
That was suppose to say Farley, not Carly
However, these books are not the norm
I would read Classic Christianity first, the next one is deeper to me anyways
 

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We're born of the Spirit by repenting of our sins when called, but the habbit of sin isn't just removed. We, as babes-in-Christ, go through a process of cleansing and transformation. This can be seen in Eph 5: 26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, And also, when praying to the Father, Jesus said in Jn 17: 17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. These things occur as a process of spiritual growth! The promise of the New Covenant, as seen in Heb 8: 10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: this enables the body-of-Christ to be obedient to the requirement of the New Covenant; where the Old Testament believers were unable to keep the requirement of obedience found in the Old Covenant, which can be seen in Gal 3: 10-12: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
This process of spiritual growth is accomplished by feeding upon spiritual food; for Jesus said, in Jn 6: 63: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. The fruits of the Spirit are grown in them who devote themselves to the word of God! That process can be seen in Is 28: 9-10: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk.. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: The result of this process is seen in Heb 9: 14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? So, the Holy Spirit uses our devotions in scripture to minister Jesus to us as the Word of God, and we learn of him, Spirit to spirit. The Holy Spirit also uses scripture to purge or purify our consciences to see sin as the Lord sees it; and he uses it to increase our fatih which is how we are able to be pleasing unto the Lord.
As we grow in spiritual maturity, the Holy Spirit puts more and more of the Lord's commandments into our hearts and minds. Things that were once enjoyable become points of conviction and if we continue in the Lord's word, the guilt we feel increases when we stumble, until it becomes a tool of the Holy Spirit that is able to set us free from even the most ingrained sins. We'll even be able, after a time, to forgive ourselves and sleep the sleep of the innocent as per 2 Cor 5: 17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. So, let us. as Paul says in Phil 3: 13-14: Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
1 Jn 3: 19-24:
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Extreme guilt or conviction can be a sign of a miracle! The Holy Spirit may be making the Lord's word to come alive, engrafting it upon your heart and mind with the end result of being transformed into the image of Jesus Christ; our Lord and Savior, our King and High Priest, our Big Brother and best Friend! Spiritual maturity is a step that leads us to walking in the Spirit and denying the lusts of the flesh and thereby attaining unto an attitude of joy unspeakable and full of glory.
PTL!
 

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John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
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Assurance Right Now

Hellow friend,

You can become assured by tonight if having a home in heaven. God wants us to know how and the Bible is clear that you can be.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Do you have any questions friend?
 
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Here’s a few scriptures ;
Deuteronomy 4:31
Isaiah 41:13
Romans 8:28
Jeremiah 29:11
Joshua 1:9
and many others….hope this helps:)
 

Kroogz

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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
This sounds harsh. But it's the truth. This is what is called dead faith. Saved(because He saves) but dead in your faith.

Put your focus on Christ and not self. Trusting Christ for ones salvation is just that.....trusting HIM. Not what we do or don't do.

You will NEVER perish. You have eternal life. There is NO condemnation in Christ. Nothing can separate you from His love.<<<<<Learn it. Love it. Live it.
 
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This sounds harsh. But it's the truth. This is what is called dead faith. Saved(because He saves) but dead in your faith.

Put your focus on Christ and not self. Trusting Christ for ones salvation is just that.....trusting HIM. Not what we do or don't do.

You will NEVER perish. You have eternal life. There is NO condemnation in Christ. Nothing can separate you from His love.<<<<<Learn it. Love it. Live it.
I think it’s strange how you are able to determine that I have a dead faith by reading one post from me. Yes, your post was harsh, and it was not the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-26), nor was it Christ like (Rom. 8:9), to tell that to someone who is struggling (Gal. 6:2). There was no compassion or love on your part. If there was, you have an odd way of showing it. To suggest I have a dead faith was uncalled for and not true. You don’t know what I do during my life just like I don’t know what you do during your life. To judge me on one post and to conclude my faith is dead (without knowing the intricate details of my life) was not judging righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24). Have a good day/night, wherever you are.
 

Kroogz

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I think it’s strange how you are able to determine that I have a dead faith by reading one post from me. Yes, your post was harsh, and it was not the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-26), nor was it Christ like (Rom. 8:9), to tell that to someone who is struggling (Gal. 6:2). There was no compassion or love on your part. If there was, you have an odd way of showing it. To suggest I have a dead faith was uncalled for and not true. You don’t know what I do during my life just like I don’t know what you do during your life. To judge me on one post and to conclude my faith is dead (without knowing the intricate details of my life) was not judging righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24). Have a good day/night, wherever you are.
You will NEVER perish. You have eternal life. There is NO condemnation in Christ. Nothing can separate you from His love.<<<<<Learn it. Love it. Live it.
 

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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
To lose your salvation, Jesus would to go back in time and be uncrucified. Your problem is common, you think that salvation is your business. It's not. It is God's. Psalm 3:8, "Salvation belongs to the Lord" and 1 Corinthians 1:30 "It is because of Him (God) that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption."

God put us into Christ. He does not see you any more. You died and you life is hidden in Christ with God. (Colossians 3:3). Salvation does not depend on your behaviour. If it did, no one could be saved. No one is good enough.

Quit looking at yourself apart from Christ. If it's good enough for God, let that be good enough for you. Otherwise you are insulting God by saying that the death and resurrection of His Son is not enough. Make the cross of Christ your cross too. That is what really happened spiritually. Confess your sin as soon as you realise what you have done and thank God that Jesus has already paid the price.

Study, memorise and declare Galatians 2:20 - out loud. Every day. Find other verses that establish you in Christ. This is the new birth right of the believer. This is the glorious inheritance of the saints, which is for now, not in heaven when we die. Sure, there is an outworking of this during our time on earth. But we must have a solid foundation or we will be constantly living in doubt and unbelief. And that is the sin that grieves God the most.
 

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I think it’s strange how you are able to determine that I have a dead faith by reading one post from me. Yes, your post was harsh, and it was not the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-26), nor was it Christ like (Rom. 8:9), to tell that to someone who is struggling (Gal. 6:2). There was no compassion or love on your part. If there was, you have an odd way of showing it. To suggest I have a dead faith was uncalled for and not true. You don’t know what I do during my life just like I don’t know what you do during your life. To judge me on one post and to conclude my faith is dead (without knowing the intricate details of my life) was not judging righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24). Have a good day/night, wherever you are.
The truth hurts, does it not? Remember that it is by your words that you are justified and your words you are condemned. (Matthew 12:37). Don't complain if someone speaks the truth, even if it comes across as harsh. You would be better off accepting the rebuke and doing something about it!
 
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The truth hurts, does it not? Remember that it is by your words that you are justified and your words you are condemned. (Matthew 12:37). Don't complain if someone speaks the truth, even if it comes across as harsh. You would be better off accepting the rebuke and doing something about it!
It would hurt if it was true, but it was not. It was pure speculation on both of your parts. What “hurt” was the harsh speculation, and how you and the other decided to approach on how to handle the situation that you two conjured up about me. Not that there was any truth in it, however, because there wasn’t, but the way y’all automatically assumed without asking or understanding is what the issue is. Instead of automatically assuming false ideas and then attributing them toward someone, perhaps y’all should try to understand why an individual is feeling the way they feel, instead of blasting them with what you consider “truth” when it’s the furthest thing from it.
 

Gideon300

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It would hurt if it was true, but it was not. It was pure speculation on both of your parts. What “hurt” was the harsh speculation, and how you and the other decided to approach on how to handle the situation that you two conjured up about me. Not that there was any truth in it, however, because there wasn’t, but the way y’all automatically assumed without asking or understanding is what the issue is. Instead of automatically assuming false ideas and then attributing them toward someone, perhaps y’all should try to understand why an individual is feeling the way they feel, instead of blasting them with what you consider “truth” when it’s the furthest thing from it.
Fine. Reject what the wiser and more experienced have said and work it out yourself. That is certainly your right. All I know is I was much like you in the early days of my Christian life. Someone gave me the same advice as I gave you. What I've said worked in my experience and has helped many others. If it is not for you, sorry to have troubled you.
 

Pilgrimshope

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out.

I think it’s strange how you are able to determine that I have a dead faith by reading one post from me. Yes, your post was harsh, and it was not the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-26), nor was it Christ like (Rom. 8:9), to tell that to someone who is struggling (Gal. 6:2). There was no compassion or love on your part. If there was, you have an odd way of showing it. To suggest I have a dead faith was uncalled for and not true. You don’t know what I do during my life just like I don’t know what you do during your life. To judge me on one post and to conclude my faith is dead (without knowing the intricate details of my life) was not judging righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24). Have a good day/night, wherever you are.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no guile.

When I kept silence, my bones waxed old Through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: My moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

I acknowledged my sin unto thee, And mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; And thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: Surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭32:1-6‬ ‭

“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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You will NEVER perish. You have eternal life. There is NO condemnation in Christ. Nothing can separate you from His love.<<<<<Learn it. Love it. Live it.
 

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'I hope you don't allow 'fear' to compromise the love of Jesus Christ, or your love for Jesus Christ.
Not knowing the specific circumstances surrounding your life, I can only hope you find strength, courage
and a sound desire to confront what it is that is troublesome. Myself and everyone with an honest
heart can never completely live as we should according to the inspired teachings. We all fail!


I have learned that quiet times in prayer often help eliminate doubt and keeps me close to God's presence.
I hope and pray you don't allow cold hearts to discourage you. Stand strong in your own spiritual relationship,
and I believe and hope you will find a renewed mindset that may well allow a positive outlook that all is well.
In God's care here in the now, and the eternal Kingdom of God shall be known by your own personal
intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit. I have come to know the truth of this truth...believe me!
"Amen"


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