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“in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 KJV
if you think about it being shut out of Gods presence shut out all that’s good and decent and leaves only terrible possibilities
who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 KJV
if you think about it being shut out of Gods presence shut out all that’s good and decent and leaves only terrible possibilities
I mean we are born in Adam, who was cut off from God with Eve and spiritually died in the fall. Therefore ALL that are born from Adam are born this way from birth. Spiritually dead and cut off from God. Clear enough? Do you really not know what I'm talking about? Do the things of the spirit baffle you? Please don't tell me you can't understand what I'm clearly saying. This is 101 stuff for those who KNOW the Spirit and have been born again. If you're just pressing me to make more conversation, or to go a little deeper then please let me know, and that's cool, but if you are resurrected through Jesus and born again in Spirit the you KNOW exactly how we are born "spiritually cut off" from God. Don't know how I could make it much more clear than how I put it. That's base level and very easy to understand if you are not still blind to the things of the spirit.
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV.
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV.
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12
indeed it covers a sentance but doesn’t cover any of the context that brings a person there to understand what the sentance even means.
for instance enoch never died and he was born seven generations after they sinned and became cursed with death and Noah was called a perfect man and given grace and saved by faith maby people over time have been given a good report by God and they were never “ reborn “ there are so many examples in the Old Testament of men chosen by and approved by God
That I think the understanding of verses like that arent understood well what do we do with men like Enoch who never died but was translated by God ?
Or Noah or job or Daniel of Abraham or Jacob or Isaac ect if everyone’s born dead “ in Adam “ how was god always dealing with people long before any doctrine of being reborn or having remission of sins began to exist ?
for instance enoch never died and he was born seven generations after they sinned and became cursed with death and Noah was called a perfect man and given grace and saved by faith maby people over time have been given a good report by God and they were never “ reborn “ there are so many examples in the Old Testament of men chosen by and approved by God
That I think the understanding of verses like that arent understood well what do we do with men like Enoch who never died but was translated by God ?
Or Noah or job or Daniel of Abraham or Jacob or Isaac ect if everyone’s born dead “ in Adam “ how was god always dealing with people long before any doctrine of being reborn or having remission of sins began to exist ?
Here are a few text that tell us we are BORN in sin.
But you will have a problem with this if you can't deal with these things honestly in good faith. If all you want is to be right and with an argument over a brother in Christ, then you can act blind to these things, but if you are truly in Jesus and desire the Truth, then you already know what I'm talking about. However if you've not been born again then these things will be foolishness to you.
Also I HATE proof texting as an argument or "proof" in these threads. Anyone can do that, I'd rather read Gods voice when you're making your case in your own words. Anyway we are born cut off from God and dead in Adam. If you disagree then make your case teacher, that we are NOT born in sin. You prove it.
Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Romans 3:10-18
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” ...
Psalm 14:2-3
The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.
Ephesians 2:3
Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
1 Peter 1:18-19
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
But you will have a problem with this if you can't deal with these things honestly in good faith. If all you want is to be right and with an argument over a brother in Christ, then you can act blind to these things, but if you are truly in Jesus and desire the Truth, then you already know what I'm talking about. However if you've not been born again then these things will be foolishness to you.
Also I HATE proof texting as an argument or "proof" in these threads. Anyone can do that, I'd rather read Gods voice when you're making your case in your own words. Anyway we are born cut off from God and dead in Adam. If you disagree then make your case teacher, that we are NOT born in sin. You prove it.
Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Romans 3:10-18
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” ...
Psalm 14:2-3
The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.
Ephesians 2:3
Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
1 Peter 1:18-19
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
