Salvation Lost? Really?

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Blain

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Also, there is out there a false system of belief called "replacement theology," and that system fils to recognize that the Lord is not at all finished with Israel. The tribulation is the last part of God's plan for Israel in order to accomplish the six things He stated in His written word concerning that period of Jacob's Trouble. The Millennial Kingdom will be a portion of the fulfillment for that Kingdom promised to Abraham nd His descendants.

The Church did not and will not replace Israel.

MM
Israel is the apple of his eye though they rejected salvation they have over and over throughout history been rebelious against God and even rejected Jesus but he is by all means not done with them but they are a testament of his patience and love
 

wolfwint

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Also, there is out there a false system of belief called "replacement theology," and that system fils to recognize that the Lord is not at all finished with Israel. The tribulation is the last part of God's plan for Israel in order to accomplish the six things He stated in His written word concerning that period of Jacob's Trouble. The Millennial Kingdom will be a portion of the fulfillment for that Kingdom promised to Abraham nd His descendants.

The Church did not and will not replace Israel.

MM
Thats correct. No the church will not replace Israel.
 

Magenta

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John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.:)
 

Magenta

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1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
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wolfwint

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Israelites today who are a part of the body of Christ are no longer Israelites...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

MM
So, i am not longer a male?
What meant is not that they are not what they are. But there is no different between them, if they are in Christ.
How looks like the practical part in our churches? We make often the different, in skincolour, in society status, nationality and so on.
But good to know that the Lord himself mskes not such differences!
 
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Tell me the bible vers which support this view.
If Mount Zion and Jerusalem are spiritual, then Israel is also

But you have drawn near Mount Zion, even the city of the living GOD, to a heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, and to a gathering, an assembly of the first-born ones having been enrolled in Heaven; and to GOD the Judge of all, and to spirits of just ones who have been perfected; and to Yeshua the Mediator of a new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling speaking better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24
Jerusalem above is free, who is mother of all of us. Galatians 4:26
 

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I don’t see salvation as a possession we either have or can lose at all . not really my point was this

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason tbat part matters about teaching us to repent and live right now in this life is because of what they all taught about judgement

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

i feel like a lot of folks version of grace needs to erase the rest of doctrine like above there

“For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Regarding who’s “ saved “ even me , I take this view we need to appear before the judge first who has the right to give eternal life

“My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I believe that when we believe the gospel we have a promise that we shall be saved when the lord returns
Thanks. I highlighted one of your statements above.
 

Magenta

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Not the spiritual first, but the natural; afterward the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46

1 Corinthians 15:20 and 1 Corinthians 15:45 and 1 Corinthians 15:22 Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam a
life-giving spirit. In Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
 
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Tell me the bible vers which support this view.
True Israel

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and I called My son out of Egypt. Hosea 11:1
And [Jesus] was there until the end of Herod, that might be fulfilled that spoken by the lord through the prophet [Hosea], saying, "Out of Egypt I called My son." Hos. 11:1 Matthew 2:15
 
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Ephraim is another word for Israel. Jesus is God's firstborn

They shall come with weeping, and I will lead them with prayers. I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a right way; they will not stumble in it. For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jeremiah 31:9
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
 

Magenta

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Thank you, present I have to do with some infection. I suppose a virus. Feel like duple so old. But I am thankful. It could be more worse.
I am sorry to hear that, Wolfwint, and I do hope you are feeling much better very soon and make a full recovery!
 

Pilgrimshope

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Ephraim is another word for Israel. Jesus is God's firstborn

They shall come with weeping, and I will lead them with prayers. I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a right way; they will not stumble in it. For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jeremiah 31:9
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
“the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ….But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭4:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by his resurrection from the dead:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-4‬ ‭
 

Blade

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No offense but do we feel better now OP? Well this debate if you will has been going on before you and me were born so.. yeah do you feel better because nothing was solved or proven. Your first post should have had many scriptures to back up your personal belief.

You understand what you said "What REALLY do they know about anything having to do with salvation " is now said to you. Sorry who are you to tell anyone what "salvation" is or is not? This comes from a GOD and when even the angels long to understand this salvation.. yeah I highly doubt we fully understand it.

Its not God saying you can lose your salvation vs God saying you can't. No its some Christian not thinking about the weak in the faith that know are scared. The song playing by Allies "Surrender" from they day you were born come theres a battle going on for your soul. Comes a time in your life when you gotta give somebody control this is it time is now and the change should be like day and night. Its so hard to hold out but its easy when you give up the fight. All your life Hes wanted you cared for you I'm telling you now you know He loves you so..surrender.