Salvation Lost? Really?

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Blain

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="ChristRoseFromTheDead, post: 5433535, member: 334825"]"Fallen in love" is a soulish expression. Those who truly love God do his works and commandments.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent. John 6:29
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
[/QUOTE] it isn't an expression it's a real thing when you can honestly say your heart melts for him you will understand
 
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tell me has God gone on vacation and left you in charge to judge people and condemn them unless they agree with you? Just asking thank you
Why are you falsely accusing me of condemning him? Telling someone they have no spiritual discernment is not condemnation. It's like telling a blind person that's explaining what something looks like that they're blind.
 

lrs68

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That does indeed seem to be the case, because those who claim losses of salvation in others and sometimes in themselves, I have yet to find one who can draw that distinctive line that clearly defines the point of an alleged loss. When asked how they know that person was ever saved in the first place, it's amazing to see how many of them think they have shoved Christ Jesus aside off His Throne in order to make those judgement calls upon others.

MM
Amen!
 

lrs68

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exactly and if they never knew him of course they would struggle with the idea of not losing your salvation it isn't like knowing another person it is knowing the deepest most beautiful heart there is so if one leaves him or loses their salvation they just left or lost him because well they never had him to begin with
Amen!
 

Kroogz

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A shepherd doesn't throw a sheep out of the gate either as for those scriptures you mentioned care to post them?
Also, He tells us His sheep will NEVER perish.

It's a good question to ask ourselves. Am I one of His sheep?

His sheep will never perish.
 

Blain

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Also, He tells us His sheep will NEVER perish.

It's a good question to ask ourselves. Am I one of His sheep?

His sheep will never perish.
U think that is a question few qould honestly ask it would require them to question their salvation
For me it isn't a matter of being his sheep it is more of am I good enough that is what I struggle with
 

Kroogz

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U think that is a question few qould honestly ask it would require them to question their salvation
For me it isn't a matter of being his sheep it is more of am I good enough that is what I struggle with
If we think that we can perish. We can't call ourselves one of His sheep.

He explicitly tells His sheep.....they will never perish.

None of us are good enough........But we have Christ in us! And we are sealed with this very same seal.......

John 6:27
Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

Will God ever break that seal? NOPE/NEVER.
 

wolfwint

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Yes... and there is another verse where Jesus says, "Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever does not enter
the sheepfold by the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber." John 10:1


Jesus is essentially clarifying that He is the only way to the Father...
So where it is written that there are a Broad gate and a narrow gate to the sheepfold?
I cant renember this is written.

There is only one gate: our Lord Jesus!
 

Magenta

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So where it is written that there are a Broad gate and a narrow gate to the sheepfold?
I cant renember this is written.

There is only one gate: our Lord Jesus!
I do not believe it is written anywhere, and I agree with you!

There is only one way to the Father and it is through Jesus Christ.

:D
 

wolfwint

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Jesus said there are two, one narrow and one broad. How do you know you are entering by the narrow door?
This is right. But where this has a connection to the gate in the sheepfold?
In the sheepfold you have only Jesus sheeps.
Because they heared the voice of Jesus.
 
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This is right. But where this has a connection to the gate in the sheepfold?
In the sheepfold you have only Jesus sheeps.
Because they heared the voice of Jesus.
Jesus said many would enter through the wide gate. Enter what? He doesn't make a distinction between what is being entered
 

Musicmaster

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So where it is written that there are a Broad gate and a narrow gate to the sheepfold?
I cant renember this is written.

There is only one gate: our Lord Jesus!
Starting out with who the sheep are of whom Christ was speaking:

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (The Lord's instructions to His disciples.)

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

So, in the Gospels, the only sheep mentioned are Israelites and proselytes to Judaism, not the Gentiles since the Church did not yet exist at that time.

As to the path, one of which led to a straight gate leading to life:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The other path:

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Does that help?

MM
 
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"Fallen in love" is a soulish expression. Those who truly love God do his works and commandments.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent. John 6:29
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
How you doing, are you perfect, do you not ever sin anymore ever? Just asking? If you are now perfect and do not ever sin anymore ever again, we all here need to be revealed how? At least me, I know I need God to do God's done work of his love and mercy through me, in risen Son and God does do that, yet I get back in the way and think I got it, Yet I do not, and fail. Which now is a great reminder I need God to lead not me.
Please inquiring minds want to know and be saved also, seeing it seems you be the only one that has got this. Time to share please thank you
 

wolfwint

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Jesus said many would enter through the wide gate. Enter what? He doesn't make a distinction between what is being entered
Yes, but this is not meant in John 10. And has nothing to do with Mathew 7, 13-14 what you meant. There is no connection.
 

wolfwint

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I understand and thank you! Always lovely to see you. I hope you and yours are well...

:D
Thank you, present I have to do with some infection. I suppose a virus. Feel like duple so old. But I am thankful. It could be more worse.
 

Musicmaster

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great ? Blain wow
Great ask
Anyone?
I don't speak for those folks who disbelieve in everlasting salvation, but I can certainly point out a difference between the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace:

Acts 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

This is one major item the lost salvation people don't like hearing. It pains their case to admit that the believing Jews in Jerusalem were still keeping the Law of Moses...at least those portions not fulfilled by the Blood of Christ. Paul was instructed by James and the elders of the Jerusalem Church to keep the Law in that place, at the temple, in the sight of all the people. At the same time, the Gentiles were not required to do any such thing, as is also confirmed in Acts 15.

So, the idea that it's all one happy gospel...no! It is not.

MM