Salvation Lost? Really?

Every other Christian thinks the same, even Christians in name only

you asked you got your answer

Good points. As an Israeli, I was raised in the legalisms of law, and the concept of losing salvation was never an issue. Then I began learning the Southern Baptist religion and fear-mongering of salvational loss. When I first heard that legalistic, fear-mongering concept, with all its constrained paths of moral conduct and adherence to attendance every time the doors were open, tithing requirements, observance of Sabbath requirements, et al, I was totally confused that some legalistic systems are absent teachings for loss of salvation, and others teach it as it it were on almost every other page of the Bible.

After leaving those religions, I went into Messianic Judaism, which was also very legalistic and works-based, with salvational loss a possibility while kissing the huge Torah scroll carried to each of us for our worshipful veneration. Of course, what can one expect from any religion that teaches performance-based salvation, right, which is precisely where salvational loss leads with many willfully blindfolded to that fact.

Then I went into some of the Calvinistic, Reformed religions, finding myself yet again faced with the claims for loss of salvation, which one may expect from any and all works-based salvation systems of thought and belief. Even Roman Catholicism, with all its legalistic, works-based teachings claims one can lose his salvation dare he be guilty of a moral sin and do nothing to renew himself back into the long and laborious process of lessening his time in the false purgatory of that religion's creation, or some other pagan origin, only to still end up with some time remaining in the purging of sins for the vast majority.

No. I came to a point where I had to cry out to the Lord in the midst of the cacophony of so many false teachings assaulting my mind from so many different directions, realizing it was all part of Satan's plan to distract us all from the very word of God and letting it speak for itself. (1 John 2:27)

After reading scripture for what it says, praying that the Lord give to me wisdom, knowledge, His Thoughts and His Ways, the numerous houses of cards I have known for so many years began crashing down, with the works-based systems of salvational loss crumbling with them, along with election and predestination falsely applied to finding salvation freely offered by Christ to all who place their faith in Him, and the inevitable renewal of awe came upon me, which enhanced the glory of the Lord shining in my heart and what He accomplished on that cross for all mankind apart from any and all our efforts and the false teachings that only He can give us the ability to place our faith upon His accomplishment for our salvation through His death, burial and resurrection on the third day. Paul, a fellow Jew, in what he taught, THAT is what I took to heart rather than the salvational teachings of Peter, John, James, et al.

Peter, John, James...those who wrote epistles were writing to their audience, not to every audience. Many things in the NT were not written TO us today, as is evidenced in reading the words of Peter in Acts 2 compared to Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 15. As an Israeli, I am well acquainted with the Lord's changes in His dealings with mankind throughout the ages of man on this earth. The sad reality that so many Westernized Christians refuse to see that fact, well, one can lead a mule to water, but...

Blessings to you and yours.

MM

Why so few are willing to declare that they too are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, I cannot say. Perhaps the false fear for salvational loss keeps them from realizing that.

I realize you were saying that to someone else, whose messages I don't see because of their being on my ignore list on account of their habitual gravitation toward ad hominem attacks rather than sticking to the topic.

Generally speaking, I do appreciate any and all who avoid the sludge pits of ad hominem. Such a tactic only undermines their own claims.

Thanks for your inputs.

MM

well I could tell the underline meaning in the remark and I don't like tp to see that

Those who truly get to know God will never leave God.

how could we? it would take many pages just to describe how wonderful and glorious and vastly deep he is from his kingship to his playful nature this is why I believe in osas because being saved is just the beginning getting to know him makes you fall in love

how could we? it would take many pages just to describe how wonderful and glorious and vastly deep he is from his kingship to his playful nature this is why I believe in osas because being saved is just the beginning getting to know him makes you fall in love

Amen!

To me, the only possible way to lose salvation would be to choose to leave God and purposely live your life opposite of God. But that would mean you never knew who God is. Because those who know God they would never leave Him.

Colossians 1:13

I like how you put this.

Those who find the fact of "once saved always saved" repugnant, they have nothing else upon which to rely than works-based salvation, which can save nobody today.

MM

Amen!

To me, the only possible way to lose salvation would be to choose to leave God and purposely live your life opposite of God. But that would mean you never knew who God is. Because those who know God they would never leave Him.

Jesus said there are two, one narrow and one broad. How do you know you are entering by the narrow door?

I realize you were saying that to someone else, whose messages I don't see because of their being on my ignore list on account of their habitual gravitation toward ad hominem attacks rather than sticking to the topic.

well I could tell the underline meaning in the remark and I don't like tp to see that

There was a time, in my more ignorant past, where I believed that one could lose his salvation. Boy was I wrong, and here's why:

To point at someone, or even at self, and claim one or another had lost his or her salvation at some point in the past, or are standing in that jeopardized position at the present time, that is nothing but works-based salvation!

Some may say, "Now, wait a minute! There are many out there who have lost their salvation. Some have even regained it, and then lost it again..." On and on the claims will go by those who are actually trying to convey the idea that they are authorities over who is saved and who is not, sometimes just by looking at others or at themselves throughout the years of their own past.

What REALLY do they know about anything having to do with salvation if it is a thing that can so easily be lost, which leads to no other conclusion than the idea that Holy Spirit has a very weak grasp upon the saved, with many having been plucked from the Hand of Christ Jesus, which is contradictory to the scriptures.

Think about it...if anyone can lose their salvation, then retention of salvation is by the efforts of each individual rather than the perfectly finished work of Christ Jesus. That individual is claiming, then, that they still have theirs because of their own efforts, where others allegedly lost theirs by not retaining it through good works or abstinence from some measure of sin that has a line they cannot define authoritatively.

Folks, that is indeed BOASTING. That is nothing short of silently claiming that they have "worked" to abstain from walking those paths that others were, or are, walking who have allegedly lost their salvation. Do you see the dichotomy in that? Casting salvation into a mixing bowl that has any leavened ingredient of a work on our part, and the entire lump is leavened.

So, who among you has ever known anyone who allegedly ever lost their salvation, and how did you prove that, even if you're going to make yourself the target of that claim? Your feelings? Their feelings? What you saw coming out of them or yourself? Who among us no longer has any expressions of sin exuding from us each and every day? Who among us is living in sinless perfection? Who among us has no sin?

Who here can draw that line that others can see whereby crossing it would or does lead to loss of salvation?

Conversely, pointing at self or someone else, and claiming loss of salvation at some point in the past, how can we know they or you were ever saved at all in the first place to have allegedly lost it?

It's a snake eating its own proverbial tail.

Do you see the issue here?

It is either works, or it is grace. It cannot be both, for there is no power on this earth that can truly intermix them together under the Gospel of Grace.

MM

MM thinks me disagreeing with him and pointing out his lack of spiritual discernment is ad hominem. No, it's really not. That's just an excuse that people who stop their ears from hearing the truth use to justify themselves.

I wonder if people who don't believe in osas have ever fallen in love with God?