The topic of doctrine

yes I have not forgotten all of that but he did make a few good points and at least he is discussing things instead of the usual

But I have to treat everyone with the same respect if they are willing to discuss things

no theology is simply the study of God's word what I distain is how people use his word and proclaim doctrine as truth yet it doesn't bring people closer to God it doesn't edify or change anyones heart it just turns into a I am right and you are not kind of thing.

There is something that I just cannot get out of my head that being doctrine or rather my distain for it or rather what it has done to the church. Sound doctrine in it's purest form is God's word abd there will come a time and is here even now when many will not endure sound doctrine but it just keeps nagging me that truth sound doctrine and the correct understanding is just all over the place within the body of Christ. all the denominations all the doctrines within those denominations the vastly different interpretations and understanding how one can read the scriptures while another reads the same thing yet gets a different understanding of it.

So if we all have such diversity in what sound doctrine is why does that not seem to raise a red flag? why can we be so sure in our doctrine when all it seems to do is cause division are we not able to question our own beliefs to test ourselves in truth?

I was once told the best way to test if your understanding is truth try to disprove it the issue with this is if we were to whole heartedly do this it wouldn't be hard it is easy to use logic and pick apart any doctrine we come across.

so is doctrine as it is defined really as sound as we believe it to be? if there is so much division when there are many truths although there is only one truth can we honestly ask ourselves and know that the doctrine we go on here to defend or teach is the actual truth or is it just another interpretation of said truth?

how many of us are on milk when we think we are on meat? I have to test myself to see for myself if what I believe is the actual truth I am willing to admit I am wrong if it means finding the real truth but to do this it requires a heart that truly loves his word and has great respect for it it would require many hours of studying devotion and letting go of what I think I know.

if there is only one truth then why? why so much division why all the endless debates why all the different interpretations? we cannot speak on sound doctrine if we do not hold ourselves accountable

Christian doctrine is the gospel . Truth is the gospel it’s why Christian’s are called to hear and believe the gospel for thoer salvation

proper doctrine always agrees with the doctrine of Christ

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the bi les doctrine is simple heat and believe Jesus in the gospel . The problem your perceiving is everyone has tbier own version of doctrine thier own interpretation of doctrine

christianity is about letting go of our own ideas about God , ourselves , salvation , death , life ect and accepting Gods version of it all in the gospel

again thisnis why believing the gospel leads to salvation it is Gods true doctrine for everyone

Nothing else can replace this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The truth

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus doctrine will never change

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his words will not end

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

As we hear the gospel we are hearing true doctrine but we were told about this part that would happen which is what your observing

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Once people reject Jesus doctrine they need new doctrine so they create it to turn ears away from his word of truth that saves

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The only real test of doctrine is does Jesus agree with this in the gospel ? The bible is simple it’s just hard for some to believe because they have heard other versions of “truth “

its simplicity is to stick with Jesus and the gospel it will always be true and always be correct doctrine

Sound doctrine in it's purest form is God's word

It is called a "principle".

You might say that a principle will tell you what was true, what is true, and what will always be true, or you might say, for ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. [Ps 119:89]

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me .John 7:16
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection. Heb 6:1

So who do you think sent Jesus?

... Really, truth is a gift that God gives us as He wills, and at the rate He can. Why should God judge a person for not yet having something that is up to Him to provide? If, however, someone is genuinely committed to God and purity, they will get there eventually even if it isn't in this life.
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Christian doctrine is the gospel . Truth is the gospel it’s why Christian’s are called to hear and believe the gospel for thoer salvation

proper doctrine always agrees with the doctrine of Christ

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the bi les doctrine is simple heat and believe Jesus in the gospel . The problem your perceiving is everyone has tbier own version of doctrine thier own interpretation of doctrine

christianity is about letting go of our own ideas about God , ourselves , salvation , death , life ect and accepting Gods version of it all in the gospel

again thisnis why believing the gospel leads to salvation it is Gods true doctrine for everyone

Nothing else can replace this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The truth

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus doctrine will never change

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his words will not end

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

As we hear the gospel we are hearing true doctrine but we were told about this part that would happen which is what your observing

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Once people reject Jesus doctrine they need new doctrine so they create it to turn ears away from his word of truth that saves

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The only real test of doctrine is does Jesus agree with this in the gospel ? The bible is simple it’s just hard for some to believe because they have heard other versions of “truth “

its simplicity is to stick with Jesus and the gospel it will always be true and always be correct doctrine

There is something that I just cannot get out of my head that being doctrine or rather my distain for it or rather what it has done to the church. Sound doctrine in it's purest form is God's word abd there will come a time and is here even now when many will not endure sound doctrine but it just keeps nagging me that truth sound doctrine and the correct understanding is just all over the place within the body of Christ. all the denominations all the doctrines within those denominations the vastly different interpretations and understanding how one can read the scriptures while another reads the same thing yet gets a different understanding of it.

So if we all have such diversity in what sound doctrine is why does that not seem to raise a red flag? why can we be so sure in our doctrine when all it seems to do is cause division are we not able to question our own beliefs to test ourselves in truth?

I was once told the best way to test if your understanding is truth try to disprove it the issue with this is if we were to whole heartedly do this it wouldn't be hard it is easy to use logic and pick apart any doctrine we come across.

so is doctrine as it is defined really as sound as we believe it to be? if there is so much division when there are many truths although there is only one truth can we honestly ask ourselves and know that the doctrine we go on here to defend or teach is the actual truth or is it just another interpretation of said truth?

how many of us are on milk when we think we are on meat? I have to test myself to see for myself if what I believe is the actual truth I am willing to admit I am wrong if it means finding the real truth but to do this it requires a heart that truly loves his word and has great respect for it it would require many hours of studying devotion and letting go of what I think I know.

if there is only one truth then why? why so much division why all the endless debates why all the different interpretations? we cannot speak on sound doctrine if we do not hold ourselves accountable

All I can is say:
Whatever I am doing or not doing, to ask to see if whatever that is, is that good for me, My Soul over my flesh?
I was told this by me eldest brother
What he said right before he passed away in 1978
He started to tell me to, stop drinking, I was a drunk then. Alcoholic
I will never forget him beginning to tell me to Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember, somehow he got stopped, stepped back and then came back forward and said to me
"All the drinking you are doing is not good for you" he past a few days after that, I was 21, he was 31, six to seven years later I saw what he said and stopped
Basically I saw it is permissible for me to continue, it is just not good for me to continue
I saw that in me from God to me and have been dry ever since, by God it is gone for me in my trust to God over it all, and done by being willing to stop between God and me personally, not ever forced to quit, I willingly did it, and respect God in thanksgiving and praise over it
seeing I can and then seeing truth in if I do it or not, whether or not it is well for me, my Soul the discerning becomes clearer as in Matthew 10:16-20 not prouder, humbler to me at least

A big part of the problem is the confusion introduced by language. People base their beliefs and doctrines on translated words that don't even mean what the original languages say or the author intended. The confusion of Babel continues.

There is something that I just cannot get out of my head that being doctrine or rather my distain for it or rather what it has done to the church. Sound doctrine in it's purest form is God's word abd there will come a time and is here even now when many will not endure sound doctrine but it just keeps nagging me that truth sound doctrine and the correct understanding is just all over the place within the body of Christ. all the denominations all the doctrines within those denominations the vastly different interpretations and understanding how one can read the scriptures while another reads the same thing yet gets a different understanding of it.

So if we all have such diversity in what sound doctrine is why does that not seem to raise a red flag? why can we be so sure in our doctrine when all it seems to do is cause division are we not able to question our own beliefs to test ourselves in truth?




In Luke 2 a prophecy is given about the baby Jesus. It said, “ This child is destined for the FALL and rising of many in Israel. Christ is a stumbling block to some people; a stumbling block to the Jews, who many, even today still do not believe He is the Messiah, the Son of God; and “foolishness” to the Greeks (gentiles) who many believe it’s just all “fairytales”. 1 Cor. 1:23. Controversy and division have always surrounded the Christ. Jesus Himself said, “Do you suppose that I came to give PEACE on earth? I tell you not at all, but rather DIVISION. He continues on telling how people will be against each other. Luke 12:51-53. Matthew 12:34-36 says, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace but a sword.”

The reasons for this are many. There’s not just one. Those who have read any of my posts know that I value scripture over opinions, “feelings” or ideas. So, using scripture, from God Himself, here are some suggestions why there is so much division in religion.

1) the “heart” is one reason. Matthew 13 describes different kinds of “hearts” in people. That’s what the parable of the sower is all about. Of all the “hearts” described in that parable, there is only one called “good soil.” God said He uses His “word” (scripture) to test us, “to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.” Deut. 8:2. So, from these scriptures, we can conclude that one reason for all the division and controversy is because people have different “hearts” and they all react differently to what God says in His word. The fault is not God’s and it is not in God’s word. God’s word is like the SUN. Our hearts are like clay and butter. The same sun shines on both, but it HARDENS clay and MELTS butter. When Exodus talks about God hardened Pharoah’s heart, it was because of the material Pharoah’s heart was made of. When God told the Egyptians ( by Moses) that He would send hail and they better get their animals and servants inside, some Egyptians believed him and protected their servants and cattle; but some did not and their cattle and servants were killed. The same “word” was given to all but the reaction to it was vastly different.

2) Another reason, closely associated with # 1 is our ATTITUDE to God’s law.
Psalm 119 is a wonderful Psalm vividly demonstrating the kind of attitude we should have toward God’s law. I hope you will read it in its entirety, but here are some excepts from it: Blessed are the undefiled…who walk in the law of the Lord.
Blessed are those who keep His testimonies.
Your law is my delight.
Make me walk in the path of your commandments for I delight in it.
Your word has given me life.
I will delight myself in your commandments.
Teach me knowledge and good judgment for I believe your commandments.
All your commandments are faithful.
Your word is settled in heaven.
Oh, how I love your law. It is my meditation all the day. You, through your commandments make me wiser than my enemies. I have more understanding than all my teachers. I understand more than the ancients because I KEEP YOUR PRECEPTS.

There are 176 verses in this Psalm and I haven’t even begun to list all the wonderful things it says. But I hope you see the attitude of David toward God’s laws. Remember David was a man after God’s own heart. So, I know God approves of these words.

Satan has done a good job of turning many people against God’s laws by calling them “legalism” and presenting them as something really bad. He wants you to forget about “law keeping”. And just love everybody. And while love is very important it doesn’t have to be one or the other (as Satan would have you believe) BOTH are necessary according to God’s word. Here is a classic example of what are you going to believe—what God says in His word, or what The devil is promoting through men?

3) And last, how much do you DESIRE the “truth”? You have to want it; and want it enough to study God’s book and “dig” for it. Jesus talks about “seeking”. Seek and you shall find. He tells us to “study” in 2 Tim. 2:15.
Jesus describes it as a “treasure” and a person should be willing to sell everything he has to get it. Once you find it, don’t ever let it go. Buy the truth and sell it not. Proverbs 23:23. So what is our attitude toward the truth? Many people don’t even think there is such a thing. Or they say it is irrelevant. Having an attitude of “ It really doesn’t matter” is not found in the Bible.

God’s word is the same as it was 2000 years ago, but people are as different as the sand in the sea. Different people, different hearts, different attitudes. You have 2 choices: do what God decides is right (the Bible) or, do what is right in your own eyes. Judges 21:25

Every human being follows a doctrine that fits their own personal theology.

we are not supposed to do that though lean not on your own understanding remember? And it doesn't matter what thrology or doctrine we hold to what matters is what the doctrine of Jesus Christ is and if one knoed the spirits voice well enough he will reveal the truth and it hits you like a wave I mean like a door opens suddenly and there is meaning upon meaning upon meaning hidden in the word of God layer after layer and it just clicks with you as easy as can be.

but the word of God is beyond amazing to think it is able to hide so much in plain sight amazes me.

but the word of God is beyond amazing to think it is able to hide so much in plain sight amazes me.

Why are such things hidden in plain sight? Not to sound like a broken record, but, again, it is the lack of the fear of God which is a major reason why so many people don't truly understand the Bible, or it is a major reason why so many people have messed up theology.

Psa 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

If people do not truly fear God, and most people don't, then you can forget about God revealing his secrets to them or showing them his covenant.

Pro 2:1
My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
Pro 2:2
So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Pro 2:3
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
Pro 2:4
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Pro 2:5
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

It only took me one reading through of the entire Bible, from cover to cover, to understand the fear of the LORD, and to find the knowledge of God. As I have said before, the fear of the LORD is the beginning of both knowledge and wisdom, and to bypass, ignore, or reject it is to guarantee that one will have no true knowledge or wisdom. You can take that to the bank.
Isa 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

You show me somebody who does not tremble at God's word, and I will show you somebody who the LORD is not looking to. These things are not just filler in our Bibles. They are there for a reason, and we would be wise to take good heed to them.

true the fear of the Lord is lacking but as to why it is hidden in plain sight is exactly why you hide a treasure with s msp he will show the way but if we want those gems of truth we need to work for it and it is a map we cannot read or understand ourselves hence don't lean on our own understanding so that is why the spirit guides us