Why do some people believe and some do not?

I would say that their arguments for a general soteriology (flavors of universalism) are much better looking than attempts to prove a freedom from the bondage of sin. Whether or not the philosophical notion of free will is in some way correct doesn't even matter, because the issue is the fallen nature itself. The unsaved man does the work of the Devil.

Grace is God's power to make effect His will in this world especially within believers, a will grounded in His character which is Love.

2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Funny. I need to reword my post. In #168 I was asking you if you were asking me in #166 what exercising wrath means.

God's power is his holy spirit, which we receive through his grace. You're reading this verse wrongly and can't show me another verse in which God's grace is called his power, but you can find many that say his spirit is his power

Today it is a secular "sin" to tell people that what they want to do is evil and bad for them. It's downright anti-democratic. Everything is just, like, your opinion. Unless your opinion it's that they're sinners in the hands of an angry God.

The Holy Spirit is God and therefore all powerful.

I was being facetious. It was all God.
BTW...facetious is one of a few English words with all the vowels in it and in order.

I agree, who are you disputing?

Not certain I understand your "except". Men clearly see and understand "His invisibles" 1:20, they know God 1:21, they (some) did not value to have God in experiential knowledge 1:28.

“enduring - His bearing in patience - these vessels of wrath was in effect a cooperative effort of their being prepared for destruction. Maybe a giving of enough rope and they hang themselves type of analogy.”

yes it seems your referencing that God has foreknowledge and works his Will accordingly which is agreeable. This I don’t think changes my point.

This has to fit into the thinking

“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; ( God caused this because of thier provocation to him first) and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,

because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭44:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is good towards mankind , but he’s also declared his wrath against all unrighteousness of mankind and it will come to pass based on what men do with the time they live

“It is fascinating to ponder how He determines. “

It’s just always according to the word he spoke to the person or people in the covenant. In the end of our covenant he will determine everything based on what he said in the gospel

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

anyone who listens to the gospel and believes Jesus can know how they are going to be judged and how salvation will be determined

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is repetetive in tbat he speaks first to man a covenant and then the covenant is fulfilled according to what he has said and what man does according to it. It’s always this same design

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God shows man life and warns us about death and then says choose life so you and your seed will live. But it’s always shown by what he says it’s the law of prophecy and fulfillment

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭

My point is to know how God will judge and determine everything we only need to listen to what he said he would determine and judge everything by

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

… he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: …..For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all Things are going to be determined by the gospel is my point so if we hear and believe we’ll be saved but if we reject it and find other paths we’re not going to arrive at the same place as Jesus path

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God definately knows the outcome it’s how his plans are always perfect him knowing I think is the reason we should listen to him jesus knows and would never lead us astray


Our covenant is the gospel

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:1, 3-4, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus will determine everything based on his words in the gospel

You do understand I wasn't changing your point, correct? In fact, I referenced Scripture that I think substantiated it.

Reminds me of: NKJ John 12:48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

intolerance will not be tolerated, haha

only, tolerance has been confused with other things, like agreement, approval, or consent.

Yep. I was just gonna say:

They want to believe they are tolerant. But of course as soon as you disagree, they want you to shut up.
Which exposes the lie of their being tolerant in the first place. What they are is delusional, and deceived.

Your wording was fine, I am saying that everything needs to have exposition in context we cannot just assume, what "wrath' means to us will line up with the biblical usage of the word.

.... hands of an Angry God

Unfortunately, the "BoomerConservative" has ingested the worldview of liberals and is always apologizing to their enemies, hobbling themselves with rules their enemies invented, etc.

Thanks, agree, agree, hopefully. (align the commas).

Please clarify "Boomer." 1946 to 1964?

I was responding to post#225