Applying God's Word to Politics

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Eli1

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You're not asking me, and I'm sorry for your friends loss. But here's the thing. If they are willing to let people smoke weed and drive, I don't see what the difference is. Many of these older people have no other way to get their food and get to the doctor. And public transportation, well just watch TV and see how safe that is.
Good point Rose.
They do indeed let weed smokers drive. Another topic that won't get touched by the government. The other variables like public transportation are also not going to be touched by the government either.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Good point Rose.
They do indeed let weed smokers drive. Another topic that won't get touched by the government. The other variables like public transportation are also not going to be touched by the government either.
Sadly true...
 

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Bro, it's very simple. Earthly governments at any time in history have nothing to do with KOG.
Albanian government, German government, American government ... etc ... have nothing to do with KOG.

Also i'm not familiar with Turning Point but if it has something to do with Christian Nationalism, i'd rather watch paint dry.
As i mentioned many pages ago, i support Trump but not on Biblical basis. I know that this statement makes your world crumble but it's gonna be okay bro. Have another coffee and snack with me and all will be okay.

I like Trump for who he is, because if he talked a lot of Christian stuff i wouldn't like him very much.
As i mentioned before, if you attempt to have some sort of religious government here in USA, it won't be much different from those Muslim countries in the middle east and none of them anywhere at any time have anything to do with the Kingdom of God.
Bro, your earthly AO did not bequeath you with discernment re God's POS. The entire and whole of earthly history has everything to do with the KOG. Turning Point during this point in history has to do with Christians helping Trump win the election so that you can piggy back on the blessings that brings and will continue to be free to watch paint dry or whatever.

The main reason for supporting Trump should be a Biblical basis, because his policies are salted and enlightened by Christ's teachings more than those of the Marxist-atheist Dems. Trump & supporters talk a lot of Christian stuff, so I guess you are more comfortable with the atheists, who don't talk about God much.

Blindness strikes again as you do not perceive that the US government is quite different from Muslim countries only because it has been salted and enlightened by Christian values from the settlement of the colonies who sought freedom from the authoritarian European kings until today--but not perfectly or as much as we could hope, so we keep working, being good stewards of God's gifts until Christ comes (MT 24:45-46).
 

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Bro, your earthly AO did not bequeath you with discernment re God's POS. The entire and whole of earthly history has everything to do with the KOG. Turning Point during this point in history has to do with Christians helping Trump win the election so that you can piggy back on the blessings that brings and will continue to be free to watch paint dry or whatever.

The main reason for supporting Trump should be a Biblical basis, because his policies are salted and enlightened by Christ's teachings more than those of the Marxist-atheist Dems. Trump & supporters talk a lot of Christian stuff, so I guess you are more comfortable with the atheists, who don't talk about God much.

Blindness strikes again as you do not perceive that the US government is quite different from Muslim countries only because it has been salted and enlightened by Christian values from the settlement of the colonies who sought freedom from the authoritarian European kings until today--but not perfectly or as much as we could hope, so we keep working, being good stewards of God's gifts until Christ comes (MT 24:45-46).
This is like the extreme opposite of trans ideology.
GOB!
The end justifies the means!
Anything for a little control and power that’s not yours.
 

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This is like the extreme opposite of trans ideology.
GOB!
The end justifies the means!
Anything for a little control and power that’s not yours.
Not sure what the first half of that meant, but yes, in Marxist ideology the end justifies the means--and the end is poverty for the masses and power for those in control.

Currently the Dems are doing their best, which is their worst, to prevent Trump and his DOGE from being able to reduce government spending by eliminating wasteful and immoral programs. Which side of that struggle are you on? Do you discern any connection with NT moral teachings?
 

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Not sure what the first half of that meant, but yes, in Marxist ideology the end justifies the means--and the end is poverty for the masses and power for those in control.

Currently the Dems are doing their best, which is their worst, to prevent Trump and his DOGE from being able to reduce government spending by eliminating wasteful and immoral programs. Which side of that struggle are you on? Do you discern any connection with NT moral teachings?
 

Eli1

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Here's another political question.

Should we ban the Internet? Or parts of it?

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There ae times when I am convinced that the Internet strains the peoples exposing the wicked and holy alike. Perhaps it is just my perception. Radio and tv did this to some degree in the past, however the big I seems to have refined this process to perfection.
 
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There ae times when I am convinced that the Internet strains the peoples exposing the wicked and holy alike. Perhaps it is just my perception. Radio and tv did this to some degree in the past, however the big I seems to have refined this process to perfection.
I am for banning the porn part.
 
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A Constructive Criticism:

May I suggest that we try to improve our discussions on CC by doing what we can to keep the general direction going toward essential agreement/unity rather than being content (or even seeming to prefer) getting stuck going in circles regarding how to interpret GW?

In my experience on CC we might accomplish this goal if we would bother to provide quotes when we accuse someone of saying something objectionable, because this should enable folks to clear up confusion and misunderstanding rather than veering off into ad hominem attacks, projection and arguing (cf. 1TM 6:3-4, 2TM 2:23, TIT 3:9-10, RM 16:17, 1CR 1:10, PHP 4:2).

Another thing I have noticed is the tendency of some to adopt "either/or thinking" as their default position instead of "both/and harmonization", which is often needed in order to sew Scripture together into one tapestry without cutting off parts. Again, this attitude should help us avoid the temptation to be combative and judgmental, although that might seem like the more fun or less boring way to go.

Finally, it seems to me there is a dearth of discussion about God’s all-lovingness, which may reflect our own hateful tendencies, so let us be wary of blaspheming or insulting the righteousness of the HS and persevere in being humble or teachable, admitting our fallibility.

Thanks! :^)
 

Eli1

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A Constructive Criticism:

May I suggest that we try to improve our discussions on CC by doing what we can to keep the general direction going toward essential agreement/unity rather than being content (or even seeming to prefer) getting stuck going in circles regarding how to interpret GW?

In my experience on CC we might accomplish this goal if we would bother to provide quotes when we accuse someone of saying something objectionable, because this should enable folks to clear up confusion and misunderstanding rather than veering off into ad hominem attacks, projection and arguing (cf. 1TM 6:3-4, 2TM 2:23, TIT 3:9-10, RM 16:17, 1CR 1:10, PHP 4:2).

Another thing I have noticed is the tendency of some to adopt "either/or thinking" as their default position instead of "both/and harmonization", which is often needed in order to sew Scripture together into one tapestry without cutting off parts. Again, this attitude should help us avoid the temptation to be combative and judgmental, although that might seem like the more fun or less boring way to go.

Finally, it seems to me there is a dearth of discussion about God’s all-lovingness, which may reflect our own hateful tendencies, so let us be wary of blaspheming or insulting the righteousness of the HS and persevere in being humble or teachable, admitting our fallibility.

Thanks! :^)

Of course you may suggest that.
You can in fact even try to apply this to yourself … if you are able.

But we know that’s not gonna happen because you get bent out of shape when I agree with you about supporting Trump but NOT on Biblical basis.
The reason is simple. You can’t defend earthly politics with the Bible or KOG.
But going in circles is a routine which I enjoy with you but I avoid with others.
It’s because I like you major.
And of course I told you that I agree with about 50% of what you say which in my view is quite an achievement.
But imagine if I dissected every idea that you have posted here, we’d be here for eternity.
It’s already going to take us months or years before we reach some sort of understanding or agreement about politics and the Bible which are not to be mixed or confused with each-other.

So again take some of your own advice major and be happy that we already have a LOT of agreement.


:coffee:
 

Eli1

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How you doing major?
I got a topic for you. Cops!

As you know the left wants to defund the police, but the right always supports the police.
My question is: Why even have police when you have the second mendment?

Thoughts?
 
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How you doing major?
I got a topic for you. Cops!

As you know the left wants to defund the police, but the right always supports the police.
My question is: Why even have police when you have the second mendment?

Thoughts?
Because even with police protection provided, response times can be too long, so people need to be responsible for protecting themselves from rape, murder, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc.
 

Eli1

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Because even with police protection provided, response times can be too long, so people need to be responsible for protecting themselves from rape, murder, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc.
Well said major.
I am glad that we agree that we don't need the police. :coffee:
 
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Well said major.
I am glad that we agree that we don't need the police. :coffee:
You might not need them, but I don't want to return to the days of the wild west. Are you familiar with that era in U.S. history?
 

Eli1

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You might not need them, but I don't want to return to the days of the wild west. Are you familiar with that era in U.S. history?
Of course. I lived in Albania during the civil unrest / war which was like the wild west.
But now that the country is stable we decided to keep the police since we don't have the second mendment in our constitution. :coffee:
 
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Of course. I lived in Albania during the civil unrest / war which was like the wild west.
But now that the country is stable we decided to keep the police since we don't have the second mendment in our constitution. :coffee:
If Albanians have no right to defend themselves with guns, it is no wonder that they need the police more than Americans do!
 

Eli1

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If Albanians have no right to defend themselves with guns, it is no wonder that they need the police more than Americans do!
Correct.
We said "okay we trust you guys (the police) with guns now. We had enough of them. All we saw is death everywhere so now we're gonna take a break and entrust a small, well-trained population who wear blue uniforms to keep us safe from this point forward"
So far so good like the rest of Europe.

But not sure why the cops are needed in US since we got the 2nd mendment here?