Understanding God’s election

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Cranberry

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I think that is exactly what he is doing exegeting scripture correctly in context.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/s..._a_supernatural_fashion_before_he_can_believe

What Does the Bible Say About Spirit Must Operate Upon A Person In A Supernatural Fashion Before He Can Believe?


John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

John 3:5-8

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”


1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.

Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 8:7-9 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

John 1:12-13 to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
 

Cameron143

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We already know what you believe .......and all your questions is not going to change those who actually possess the truth with regards to soteriology according to scripture.
This from the person who doesn't believe that God rescuing the children out of Egypt isn't about redemption.
 

HeIsHere

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https://www.openbible.info/topics/s..._a_supernatural_fashion_before_he_can_believe

What Does the Bible Say About Spirit Must Operate Upon A Person In A Supernatural Fashion Before He Can Believe?


John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

John 3:5-8

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”


1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.

Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 8:7-9 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

John 1:12-13 to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Do you really think these verses support a non biblical notion?

Most of these verses pertain to the believer not the process of becoming a believer.
 

cv5

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I am asking you, but you have the free will to answer or to obfuscate.
And never forget ONLY they have free will. Them alone. Chosenites only.
Everyone else is nothing but a gaggle of preprogrammed robotic entirely evil drones
that God created solely for the purpose of hell fire.

And they are not ashamed to admit it. Because they DO admit it over and over and over again.
 

Genez

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Somebody needs to come up with a paint-by-numbers study Bible for these Calvinites.
But I am afraid that even this would be waste of effort, as is everything else it seems.
Making fun of them does no good...
Exposing their distortions offers hope for some.
 

Genez

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In other words, the Father is a shaky "first responder" because his abilities are finite, limited?
You are like trying to reason with a feminist.
Too many preconceived notions ... and they are to you are reality.

Showing you the Word does no good.
 

Magenta

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Indeed sister , we could fling them back but then we’re missing a blessing when we let an insult or accusation slide on by like the good lord taught us to do. “No weapon formed” as a wise man said by the spirit
Too true. They can be refuted without lowering ourselves to their level. Lies are demolished with the truth.


Isaiah 54:17
:)
 

GWH

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Freewill is the ability to make make any and all choices available.
Okay, and from all of those options you chose to obfuscate, but I understand your definition now, and I agree, although the only options available to humanity regarding salvation are to seek God (MT 7:7) or not (RM 3:11)--so now what?
 

Cameron143

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Okay, and from all of those options you chose to obfuscate, but I understand your definition now, and I agree, although the only options available to humanity regarding salvation are to seek God (MT 7:7) or not (RM 3:11)--so now what?
But fallen man isn't free to make every choice. He is restricted in many regards. That's the whole point of Romans 3:10 and following.
 

Magenta

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But fallen man isn't free to make every choice. He is restricted in many regards. That's the whole point of Romans 3:10 and following.
Romans 7 makes it pretty plain that Paul knew he could not rescue himself with his non-existent free will.
He knew he was bound to sin... sold into bondage to sin, even. The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit,
and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. But we have people here teaching
that the man of the flesh with his stony heart and hostile to God mind wants what the Spirit wants.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Too true. They can be refuted without lowering ourselves to their level. Lies are demolished with the truth.


Isaiah 54:17
:)
Lovely as your designs are and eggzactly !

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭
 

Pilgrimshope

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You have the right perspective there Mr. Pilgrimshope!! Yay!! 🥳

I think it begins with getting the foundation right, how one is saved and then build from there.
indeed

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;


but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Magenta

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Lovely as your designs are and eggzactly !

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing
those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭
Ah, yes, God may give them repentance, indeed.